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Ornamented Death posted:Ardee is a raging alcoholic with anger issues. Being an alcoholic doesn't make you a bad person, or even automatically not a good person, and her "anger issues" are directed at a bunch of horrible men who treat her like chattel, including the brother who beats her. quote:Beck is a straight-up coward. Cowardice doesn't disqualify you from goodness. quote:Bear in mind that I'm not saying every character is evil, I'm just saying that none would qualify as good because of various character flaws. Shades of grey and all that. You have a very weird sense of good and evil, then. Or, more to the point, of right and wrong. There's also the leader of the (failed) democratic revolution, for an unambiguous counter-example.
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Ornamented Death posted:Ok then, let's get a little more abstract. She knows what Glokta is and probably has a very good understanding of what he does, and is complicit with it. How is she complicit in it? Glokta literally holds the power of life and death over her, not to mention the threat of torture. She doesn't have any legitimate options to leave him and their arrangement that wouldn't end in worse abuse and exploitation, let alone any way of overthrowing him or nullifying his or Bayaz's power in any way. Are you suggesting that she should go become a whore and probably wind up beaten to death by whatever pimp gets his hands on her, and that this would somehow make her less "complicit" and therefore a good (or at least not-bad) person, despite the fact that it would have absolutely no practical effect on the Jezal/Glokta/Bayaz Reign of (Discreet) Terror whatsoever? Or maybe suicide? To be complicit in evil you have to have some power, no matter how slight, to either stop it or at least withdraw whatever support to it you are giving. There's literally nothing she could do to lessen even a little bit of it. Even if she decided to commit suicide-by-killing-Glokta-in-his-sleep, Bayaz would find a new Glokta pretty much immediately, it wouldn't stop any of the torture or the presumptive Stasi-type stuff Glokta's been doing since the end of the trilogy. quote:You're right, hiding in a closet while your allies are slaughtered, then jumping out and killing the lone survivor, albeit accidentally, and taking credit for everything he did is the very definition of goodness. Still doesn't make him a bad person.
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Aug 9, 2013 04:27
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The funny thing is that there are plenty of dudes who could do a great Bayaz (including Jeff Bridges, damnit). The real question is: who the gently caress could do Glokta justice?
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