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Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Flatscan posted:

It's owned by Bayaz who uses it as a tool to control the union.

I believe that it's revealed in Glokta's second to last chapter

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Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

ultrachrist posted:

Also I didn't read the other books because I did not want to get involved in a trilogy. This wasn't a problem for 95% of the book, but... I really hope Shenkt and Vitari are in the main series because they feel almost completely pointless in BSC with no foreknowledge and could have been cut almost entirely without incident.
Vitari is in the previous trilogy and we see what her job was before fleeing to Styria. As for Shenkt, he isn't in The First Law, but the background is fleshed out enough to infer how he got his powers and why he chooses the side he did in Best Served Cold, as well as making his reveal at the end much more dramatic.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Mr.48 posted:

Wait, who's Kroy?

Anyways I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for Logen to show up.

One of the rival generals under Lord Marshal Burr. In LAoK he is promoted to Lord Marshal after both Burr and West die.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Kneel Before Zog posted:

One of the things I'm always speculating to myself about is how big of a role does Bayaz play with his force meditation-esque abilities. Whenever Jezal is giving a speech or doing something that his inner monologue tells us hes finding difficulty with and Bayaz is nearby I think oh that must be Bayaz doing force mind tricks on him to give him more courage or find just the right words to say.

Bayaz says in TBI that his specialties are fire, force, and will. So possibly, but I don't think there is any direct evidence for it.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

IRQ posted:

Still not really sure what blade the title was referring to though.

"The blade itself incites to violence." It's developed more in the later books as well that these characters violent lifestyles just lead to more violence.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Slanderer posted:

Also, am I imagining things, or was it hinted at that the interior of the house of the maker didn't exactly obey Euclidean geometry?

There was that hilarious bit where Jezal giddily runs out into the light and goggles at the city far below, but when Glotka points out they never climbed and stairs he swallows his spit and meekly went back inside.:mmmhmm:

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009
The Steel Remains is another good suggestion. I got into it so much at the end I was disappointed to learn that it's the only book of the series to have come out yet.
On a related note, would you recommend any other fantasy series with realistic gay characters? There just aren't that many out there :sigh:.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Ornamented Death posted:

What? No. Regarding Glokta:

He has to keep living his life. That's a pretty grim ending, all things considered.

In one of his last chapters Glokta also says something to the effect of, "I've struggled to claw my way out from beneath a dark and terrible master to find a new one, darker and more terrible by far, looming above me stiill."

Other being of a higher rank and living in a bigger house with a prettier servant (all luxuries Glotka can in no way enjoy) he's in the exact same position he began the books in.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

KillRoy posted:

Black Dow seems to have come out alright. Not sure what he's up to during BSC, but at the end of Argument of Kings he's sitting pretty.

Yeah, I thought Black Dow's ending really captured the theme running between him and Logan. Throughout the books, we learn that Black Dow has done some real shady poo poo, but he owns up to his name and doesn't try to hide it. Logan presents himself as an honest warrior going though some rough times, but as the story unfolds, we learn Logan's a hypocrite and worse than Black Dow.

Before Ninefingers leads his men south, he tells Black Dow he's not sitting in Skarling's chair because the mud does just fine for him. This is Logan just telling himself another lie about himself. When Ninefingers finally returns north Black Dow is seated on the throne and says it's more comfortable then the ground. No false modesty there. Then of course he has Calder and Scale try to assassinate Logan because what do you think his name is, White Dow?

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009
1) The crazy fan speculation on how Dumbledore might not be dead was hilarious to read,
2)Thanks for ruining the ending for me, rear end in a top hat,
and
3) Was Matthew 27:25 retconned out of the NT?

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Koryk posted:

Is he actually worse, though? Or is he just crazy? It seems pretty apparent that the Bloody Nine is Logan having some sort of psychotic episode that he doesn't remember, regrets afterward, and dreads when he's in his right mind. I'm still mad he killed Tol Diru, though. That guy was awesome.

It's been a while since I read LAoK, but in the final Logan chapter, doesn't Black Dow rattle off the ways Ninefingers is worse than him?

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Grand Prize Winner posted:

And I feel sorry for Craw. I hoped he'd quit for realsies

I thought his ending was paired perfectly with Beck's for a great contrast. The only way to get out of the violent life is to stop before you start.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009
I don't know why it was Whirrun's destiny that did it for me, but his death really rammed home how pointless and senseless it all is more than any other characters' for me.

Also where are you getting the idea that the Father-of-Swords is one of the Maker's blades?

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Clinton1011 posted:

They mention a mark on the blade just above the hilt just like Logen's sword had.

I must have missed that then. I don't remember reading about any mark.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009
Yeah, Stranger-Come-Knocking and his band are wild men from east of the Crimea river.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009
Im loving the potential Breaker/Leveller/Digger parallels Joe could fit in. Those utopian projects of resistance to early proletarianization are fascinating to read about.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Ccs posted:

Are there any fantasy authors who have written successful proletariat revolution stories? Even China Mieville, avowed socialist, didn't have his proletariat win. He just turned it into a metaphor about how the ideal revolution is always imminent but will never arrive.

Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy. Fire on the Mountain by Terry Bisson. Maybe William Morris’s News from Nowhere would count but that is more of a future history than a sci-fi/fantasy per se.

Edit)I've never read it but what about Red Rising by Pierce Brown? Then we'd have to quibble over the differences between a revolution of the oppressed classes vs a coup by a member of the oppressed class that thinks he can reform society.

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Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009
I thought the most recent trilogy was just okay. Not a bad way to pass the time but I can't see myself rereading it like I can the first six books. I think my subjective reading experience was harmed by moving on to it soon after reading "The Black Jacobins" on the nonfiction side and a couple of Le Guin on the fiction. Not to be the soft science version of the type of nerd to complain about how spaceships wouldn't have the right amount of Delta V to do what they do but the whole revolution felt like a bunch of set pieces the author constructed than something that could actually happen organically.

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