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Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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Suxpool posted:

I'd say keep reading because gently caress those other books that are supposed to be awesome and gently caress the people who told you there are more awesome fantasy writers than Joe Abercrombie.

Am I the only one that noticed this little nugget?

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Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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A bit of an odd request, but anyone have a copy of the ARC for Half the World they'd be willing to part with? US or UK, doesn't matter (though be aware that I can't pay as much for a UK version since I have to factor in shipping).

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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You know there are three more books, right?

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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I really think you're confusing closure with "the story didn't end how I wanted/expected it to." Abercrombie wrapped most everything up, except, as it happens, the one thing you're saying was wrapped up effectively; you don't actually learn the fate of that character until later (though you can make a pretty good assumption, as you did). Sure, he left himself openings for future books, but not at the expense of the story he was telling.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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Snowman_McK posted:

Maybe, but the Bayaz reveal feels like the set up to another story. Ending where it did feels incomplete. I guess it is an ending, but only in a "Ha, gently caress you, no happy ending" kind of way.

Sorta? You were right when you said Bayaz is Gandalf as a sociopath taken to a logical conclusion; that's the ending. The whole point is to illustrate that Bayaz has complete control of the Union, most major events of the trilogy happened by his design, and that fighting him is pointless.

Just as forewarning, the next three books are not going to resolve that situation beyond further cementing that it's the status quo. I don't know that it will ever get resolved because overthrowing the evil wizard overlord doesn't really seem like a story Abercrombie would tell, at least not for this setting.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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I don't think you'll get any argument that it's cynical, but I also think that's part of the appeal for a lot of people.

Still, I think you should probably go ahead and give the other three books a chance. They're all stand-alone stories, and while they don't do much to progress the situation with Bayaz, they have all the elements you like and are just plain better-written in general.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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That would have been a terrible ending. Just really awful.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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The only one I felt was padded out to any extent was Red Country, but even there it wasn't terrible.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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The scene towards the end when Glama Golden realizes how well and truly hosed he is is one of my favorites in the series.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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I never disliked Lamb, but seeing him through other characters' eyes in a way that was largely absent from the trilogy certainly changed my perception of him.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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You can also just order from the Book Depository and get free shipping.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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Grand Prize Winner posted:

I paid like twice what I would have for the US version (when you include shipping) so my cover aesthetic matches the first trilogy. I feel like an idiot and also proud that I care about that.

Man if you're paying that much, you should be getting a signed copy.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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Clinton1011 posted:

He's based out of there and has a much better EU publisher. Or so I believe is the case.

It's not just limited to Abercrombie, it's widespread across fantasy and sci-fi.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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Destro posted:

I wonder why they even have separate covers at all, at least at initial release I would guess it would be cheaper just to go with one cover and call it good.

Well it's almost always different publishers for the US and UK. Sometimes there's even a third publisher for Canada.

Edit: This is a couple years old, but it's relevant.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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Sjonkel posted:

I haven't read any of Abercrombie's YA stuff. Is it worth it for a guy in his thirties if I've enjoyed everything else he's written?

Probably. Calling it YA is kind of weird anyhow, especially once you get past the first book, but that's marketing for you.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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His Divine Shadow posted:

Wait, immortal? What did I miss?

Stranger-Come-Knocking works for Bayaz, and is at least rumored to have survived wounds that would kill lesser men. He's probably not immortal, but it wouldn't be a surprise if Bayaz hasn't done something to him.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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It doesn't seem to make much sense to draw any kind of conclusions about who the worse wizard is since we've only directly seen Bayaz. It seems like the default position is to assume that anyone standing against him, when he is clearly so evil, must be the better man/wizard/cannibal/whatever, but that's just the kind of assumption Abercrombie likes to turn on its head.

We've seen nothing of Khalul and a very limited amount of his servants and empire, but what we have seen is just as evil as the people Bayaz has and the sort of empire he's set up, albeit in different ways. Just because Khalul's original stated goal was to get revenge on Bayaz doesn't excuse what he's doing. Gaze not into the abyss and all that.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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Beastie posted:

Darktower Chat:

I only read the first two books; is the movie any good?

I liked the setting and general story set-up, and I know the movie takes some liberties. Should I Redbox this or is it a giant turd?

Please don't insult turds like that.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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wellwhoopdedooo posted:

In case you haven’t encountered BotL before, the only reason to reply to him is to wind him up and watch him :words:

If you (the general you) decide to go this route, don't loving quote him because it defeats the purpose for those of us that have ignored him.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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Just look at his rap sheet and carry on.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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quote:

The chimneys of industry rise over Adua and the world seethes with new opportunities. But old scores run deep as ever.

On the blood-soaked borders of Angland, Leo dan Brock struggles to win fame on the battlefield, and defeat the marauding armies of Stour Nightfall. He hopes for help from the crown. But King Jezal’s son, the feckless Prince Orso, is a man who specialises in disappointments.

Savine dan Glokta – socialite, investor, and daughter of the most feared man in the Union – plans to claw her way to the top of the slag-heap of society by any means necessary. But the slums boil over with a rage that all the money in the world cannot control.

The age of the machine dawns, but the age of magic refuses to die. With the help of the mad hillwoman Isern-i-Phail, Rikke struggles to control the blessing, or the curse, of the Long Eye. Glimpsing the future is one thing, but with the guiding hand of the First of the Magi still pulling the strings, changing it will be quite another…

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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https://joeabercrombie.com/the-trouble-with-peace-uk-cover/?fbclid=IwAR0-pTMWPyRUzYpeclgap_ZnMzMTP2xkB1QHaMH2HbPbk0_AwZ7wz98QddI

The Trouble With Peace, out September 15th

quote:

Savine dan Glokta, once Adua’s most powerful investor, finds her judgement, fortune and reputation in tatters. But she still has all her ambitions, and no scruple will be permitted to stand in her way.

For heroes like Leo dan Brock and Stour Nightfall, only happy with swords drawn, peace is an ordeal to end as soon as possible. But grievances must be nursed, power seized and allies gathered first, while Rikke must master the power of the Long Eye . . . before it kills her.

The Breakers still lurk in the shadows, plotting to free the common man from his shackles, while noblemen bicker for their own advantage. Orso struggles to find a safe path through the maze of knives that is politics, only for his enemies, and his debts, to multiply.

The old ways are swept aside, and the old leaders with them, but those who would seize the reins of power will find no alliance, no friendship, and no peace, lasts forever.

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Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

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The SubPress covers for all of Abercrombie's books have been great.

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