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Baddog posted:christ, it's an adult job, not summer camp. They'll likely take it out of the final paycheck, and withdraw from the direct deposit account for any difference, and who cares if it causes you to overdraw.
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You negotiate your incoming employer to buy you out for it. Same as RSUs or anything else you’re leaving on the table.
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Sundae posted:6) Require upper management approval for not sharing a room with another employee now (big old nope to me right there) Agreeing with the other WTF posts. This is wild to me and seems like such an HR minefield I'm shocked it was even greenlit.
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I’ve definitely worked at places where that was the norm, I’m just surprised it happens at Sundae’s place given the salaries of the attendees. Weird place to save money.
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Don't forget the whole thing with the old guy creeping on the young contractor (intern?)
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Vasudus posted:You negotiate your incoming employer to buy you out for it. Same as RSUs or anything else you’re leaving on the table. Yep
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Volmarias posted:They'll likely take it out of the final paycheck, and withdraw from the direct deposit account for any difference, and who cares if it causes you to overdraw. No they won’t. This would be an extremely stupid and probably illegal thing to do in the US. If they do it lawyer up immediately, an employment attorney will take this on contingency.
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Our indefinitely postponed North American conference was supposed to have shared rooms and I was curious if anyone has ever actually done that before because it seems like such a a crazy ask. I mean, it’s such a hard goddamn no I can’t even….just no! Hell no! I don’t even feel like I should even have to explain why, to anyone, much less my manager
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Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” I thought asking if there is a loving sign outside my cube saying packaging study’s and then yelling at them there isn’t one because its not my loving job; but that seems unprofessional.
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Sundae posted:6) Require upper management approval for not sharing a room with another employee now (big old nope to me right there) So, they don't actually want people going to this conference, right? That's what I'm reading.
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” How about, "I can't fit extracurriculars into my work schedule at this time." Granted, not entirely corporate speak, but I figure it's just contemptuous enough without being directly insulting (still, know your audience and all that).
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” Identify an authoritative document which states that packaging studies are their job. Convert the document, and particularly the key language, into the packaging form in question. Get creative; really sell the “this is your job, not mine” brand story. Make it pop. Send them this design as an attachment with the body message that you ran the study and this produced optimal results.
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” Ask what a packaging study is then provide some links to some random poo poo you found on Google. Offer to buy some boxes off of temu because it's cheaper than Amazon If other people weaponize incompetence then why not the rest of us
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CarForumPoster posted:No they won’t. Wait so I'm confused. Every offer letter (which I understand is not a job contract) I've ever signed has language about having to stick around for x months or else we have to pay back the sign on/relocation bonuses. Is this actually not enforceable?
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like non-competes, enforcability is totally dependent on what state you're in, it's a total crapshoot
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Boris Galerkin posted:Wait so I'm confused. Every offer letter (which I understand is not a job contract) I've ever signed has language about having to stick around for x months or else we have to pay back the sign on/relocation bonuses. Is this actually not enforceable? What we’re discussing is called a clawback provision. They MAY be entitled to the money. If they have a debt they can probably: ask nicely, sue you, send to collections, or some other lawful means. They’re probably NOT entitled to collect on that money from your last paycheck or from a debit from your bank account.* *generally, in most situations, IANAL, this is not legal advice Now whether the clawback is enforceable by those lawful means is a different question and a state by state thing. Generally yes IME but my point is the method of enforcement matters a lot. Edit: FWIW a person I know well has gotten 2 demand letters for employer clawbacks both >$10k and paid 0 of them but it required making the right moves and having some lawyer friends craft a response. Both were from very big companies who knew the cost of a counterclaim was hilariously less than they wanted to clawback. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” Ask them to email you the details, then forward the email to their boss's boss asking if they have someone to do a packaging study
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If you're actually just job hopping very quickly for little reason except to get more money - ok yes, you should probably pay it back. You wasted their time. But if the job is a complete tire fire, not what it was represented to be, I think you have grounds to push back on the *request* for a signing bonus to be returned. If you get hired to touch computers, they send you a check to do that for a year, and then when you quit your other job and show up to work for them they want you to shovel literal poo poo, there is obviously a big problem. They've wasted a chunk of your life with their bullshit, and now you *need* to look for something else. That's worth something. If you're really worried about it, get a consult with a lawyer to get up to speed on your state's laws. And then if it comes up, tell HR to send their request in writing to your lawyer for review - if they really think they have a case and want to pursue it. Think of it as a negotiation. Maybe they are due some pro-rated amount, but the entire thing? Pshhht. Personally, I just got honestly angry and offended and shocked that they would even think about asking, and they backed down pretty quick.
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As a long-time prisoner of clawback provisions in four different states  , I can tell you right away that you're going to have to check your state's laws and that our forum posts aren't going to be particularly useful compared to that information. Some states are worse than others, some are better, and the full spectrum of friendly to lovely is covered depending on where you are.
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Sundae posted:Last week's re-org meeting featured the phrase "blue sky research" with the apparent definition of "research being done for the sake of research without advancing a project." In context, "no more blue sky research will be permitted; all research must be project-coded and have an approved project cost center. The days of research just to advance research are over." It sounds like you have the same consultancy selling their latest guidance to your execs as ours! Love to see that in the wild.
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CarForumPoster posted:No they won’t. Wait, it's probably illegal? Ok, no one will ever do that then, thank goodness.
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priznat posted:I’ve had about 3 “table flip” moments so far this week where I strongly considered saying “gently caress this poo poo” to my boss and peace out’ing. This isn’t even related to the problem employee but all the rapid fire pivots we are being forced to do along with the inevitable being around at 9pm to start tests on a new hilariously broken bit of software. And then getting poo poo because we didn’t check it again at midnight to ensure it was still running (script crashed because no one can test anything because we don’t have any systems available to test our infrastructure on). You've mentioned the problem person before, but in context: are you absolutely, positively sure that they're not just the only employee with normal work environment expectations? Because if they're wandering around in that situation repeating "what the gently caress?" in a progressively more plaintive tone of voice, they're probably not the problem.
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tactlessbastard posted:Our indefinitely postponed North American conference was supposed to have shared rooms and I was curious if anyone has ever actually done that before because it seems like such a a crazy ask. I'm told it's common in the nonprofit world.
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I paid back my relocation bonus from my last job, didn't feel like burning any bridges on my way out. Not that I planned on working in that field again but you never know
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IMO it's a good policy to take any bonus you get and shove it into a (low, but still) interest bearing but always-accessible account until the clawback period ends. Then you can retrieve and repay it on a dime if things go to poo poo and you need to leave.
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Volmarias posted:Wait, it's probably illegal? Ok, no one will ever do that then, thank goodness.
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Arquinsiel posted:I mean... it's illegal for the bank to just hand people your money without your permission (or a court order) in most places, so... yeah. They care more about their own hides than your former employer's good will. Given how direct deposit and the checking system works in the US, I feel like that's a nice thought but generally irrelevant. The bank doesn't really care who's taking the money or why, as long as it sounds legit. Again, given that from a legal standpoint the only consequence is at worst a mean glare from a regulatory agency and having to give it back, I'm not going to hold my breath on a company doing the right thing, especially when you probably signed some sort of forced arbitration document when you were hired, and they'll assume you don't actually know your legal rights. Volmarias fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Volmarias posted:Given how direct deposit and the checking system works in the US, I feel like that's a nice thought but generally irrelevant. The bank doesn't really care who's taking the money or why, as long as it sounds legit. It's a pair of federal felonies, wire fraud and bank fraud, actually. You can't contact anyone but the debtor before you have a court order for repayment. You would be able to substitute the final decision of the arbitration as the first party creditor, but you have to go through the whole process and give the debtor the opportunity to volunteer the money. They could withhold the final paycheck, but only up to the amount of the debt and it's still subject to release if they go after the rest and loose or you have a case under state law and sue. In general, you need a court order seizing the money before you can contact the bank. Just swiping the employees debit card because you feel they owe you money would go very badly for you. There is a very good reason even the banks drag you up and don't just directly debit your other existing accounts that you paid with previously if you stop paying a debit. Barrel Cactaur fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Looking at Gantt charts causes me physical and psychological pain
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Elephant Ambush posted:Looking at Gantt charts causes me physical and psychological pain no matter how long I look at one I never come away with any usable information it just slides off my brain
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Elephant Ambush posted:There's a guy in this meeting whose natural voice sounds like someone running their voice through a modulator and slowed down and dropped an octave like in 80s movies Don't be like me and get hooked on listening to the recording of this co-worker at 1.75x speed, because when you go back into a live meeting you'll be in physical pain
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Elephant Ambush posted:There's a guy in this meeting whose natural voice sounds like someone running their voice through a modulator and slowed down and dropped an octave like in 80s movies Some people are just so... ungrateful... to be employed. I am the only person who knows where your paycheck is, Elephant. And if you want it back, you'll have to play a game.
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Project teams: "Hey Sundae, we need to fit in two more batches this year, which means we're taking November and August on your schedule. Reschedule the maintenance activities." Sundae: "The technicians are coming in from Germany. I'm going to have to reschedule all their flights and windows pretty drastically and it's going to cost a lot." Project teams: "Do it." *Sundae reschedules everyone to early June and late July* Project teams: "Clinical team says November is too late. We're moving November to June." Sundae: "I just put those guys from Germany there, and November is too late for their annual PM even if they can change schedules again." Project teams: "Do it." Sundae:  *Sundae reschedules June to November, knowing it'll cause a problem. Germany is very irritated.* Project teams: "Great news! We have a new project. It's going to run from May to July in parallel with the other work. Move those other vendors." Sundae: "We have only one equipment line, how are you going in parallel with--" Project teams: "Do it." Sundae: "Hey boss, we have an actual impossibility here." Boss: "We'll find a way. Don't tell a project no." *Sundae reschedules everything again to a tiny little squeezed-in spot in May. Another Germany firm is pissed at him now.* Project teams: "Clinical team changed demand. Originally we needed 900 bottles of X. Now we need 110,000 bottles of X." Sundae: "Which of those is the typo?" Project teams: "No typo. 100-fold demand increase. We're going to need November, December, and August for this product, as well as the time we had booked in September and October. Push everything else into April and May. Those two new batches for November should be April." Sundae: "This is not how schedules work. Also, it's already April." Project teams: "Do it." Sundae to Boss: "So where the gently caress do I put these things now? We have annual PMs with single-quarter windows and I've lost every spot I can put them." Boss: "We'll have to be flexible." Flexibility is when you have to say yes to everything, no matter what the rules actually are.  I used to have a guidance document for projects coming into our area, with what our timelines are and when we needed to have all the pre-reqs from the project team in order to run their manufacturing campaigns. After 3 years of it not being followed even once, I went to our upper management with that information and asked for support in ensuring we could run efficiently. The response? Retire the guidance document if nobody is going to follow it, because if we enforce it and a project can't manufacture on time, it's us who will be shitcanned, not them. Manufacturing! 
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Midjack posted:What happens if you miss maintenance entirely? Is it basically guaranteed to break something, is it no problem, is it probably fine but you're out of compliance with some standards or regulations? Basically, FDA (and other market regulatory agencies) expect you to take care of your equipment. This has broadly been adopted as a best practice in the industry of standard preventative maintenance schedules, with frequency / intensity determined by equipment criticality to the final product quality and patient safety, risk assessments on how much things break, etc etc. The company then creates a procedure or quality guidance document that the regulatory agency accepts, saying something like "here's how we do our maintenance and ensure alignment with FDA requirement X, Y, and Z." So, failure to do that would be failure to align with what we told the FDA we were doing when we qualified and got approval for the facility. It'd also violate company procedures and thus start investigations into the manufacturing and maintenance process, which would have QA put our equipment on hold / out of service as it is no longer compliant with requirements to be considered fit for service. So, we couldn't manufacture anything on it. It'd probably be fine, but it'd definitely not be legal. quote:So.... what exactly is your job now? Besides being a toilet for everyone else to poo poo in. I mean literally it sounds like your entire job these days is being a glorified secretary tasked with calling people with Bad News. Until the transition comes through and I move to my new role (and probably some time after that), my job is... 1) Scheduling for operations and maintenance in the facility. 2) Oversight/supervision of the manufacturing process / operations 3) Scientific expertise for scale-up from small batch to larger batches, supporting the scientists who have only worked at small lab scale before. 4) Compliance and regulatory support. I write all the procedures for our building, lead risk assessments, own the investigations and change records, delegate them out to people who can handle the easier ones / try to help build them up to competence. 5) Audit support, both in being the primary contact / rep for audits of our area and also overseeing the audit team to make sure they know WTF they're doing (they often don't, which blew my mind when I started here). I came from a huuugely regulated company operating under FDA Consent Decree before coming here, so I got to see a good example of actual audit response squads, etc, and have been trying to push that into our group / drill good practices into the audit team's heads. 6) Manager to 5 direct reports, but I really am only involved with 3 of them. The other two only report to me because of direct-report limitations in the system that prevent them from going with their real "managers." 7) Managerial shitshield, because that's just what happens as careers move on. 8) If we have operators out sick during a manufacturing run, I fill in for them and run the equipment with the team. 9) Projects. I commission equipment and facility work, write qualification protocols, design experiments and execute them sometimes, design our batch records / review the processes with the formulation teams, and help figure out system / facility changes as we build new things into the area. Sometimes I'm just providing user requirements, sometimes I'm helping redline P&IDs or walking down pipes in the attic.  Really, what's happening is that I'm running a facility with 10 total people that should have ~20 people. As a result, I do lots and lots of things.
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Our talent development org released their skill priorities for the year and told all employees across all functions around the world to focus on taking the internal training for them. These trainings are "optional but highly encouraged." Each curriculum is about 8 hours and is a mix of LinkedIn Learning courses and internal ppt decks. The skills are: AI, Coaching, Finance, and Resilience. I'm waiting for the follow-up to people leaders saying "while they're optional, make sure your team still takes all the trainings even if it's not relevant to your function at all and the courses won't be enough to make them skilled in the areas." Good-Natured Filth fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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