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I’m just saying, maybe we could table this in the parking lot and circle back around on it before we all hop the horse. Quick decisions sink ships.
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Tnuctip posted:Boss’ counter was akin to telling me he’ll make me head of scissor engineering for the chain of barber shops, in the future. But right now it’s a non-franchised sports clips where the head barber (founder) won’t even let me sweep up hair. And my job has been to document the awesome hairstyling abilities of the founder, whom has it all in his head and is not a people person. This is always hilarious to me because there's a parade of people in this, and other employment-related threads on these forums, who have been promised a future raise or promotion or conversion from contract to salaried and it has never materialized, sometimes after multiple years. These promises are worth nothing. Even if they're in writing they can just lay you off before the trigger conditions happen.
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Eric the Mauve posted:GODDAMMIT ERIC QUOTE IS NOT loving EDIT Sounds like a personal failure you can talk about on your next interview
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Smif-N-Wessun posted:Is this some new way of mentally challenged gen Z interviewing that I'm unaware of? Or is it to filter out people who have a backbone? I don't get it. It's equally as terrible being an interviewer, because you get candidates asking questions like "If I was hired, where would you see me in 5 years?", and "How do you measure success?".
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TheLastManStanding posted:It's equally as terrible being an interviewer, because you get candidates asking questions like "If I was hired, where would you see me in 5 years?", and "How do you measure success?". 1) I won't see you because I'll be loving gone. 2) I measure my success by still having my login credentials the next morning.
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TheLastManStanding posted:"How do you measure success?"
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Eric the Mauve posted:That's the fundamental human misunderstanding about counter-offers: Your hindbrain, hardwired by evolution to instinctively feel that change = danger, believes that jumping is the risky move and staying is the safe move, and that's exactly wrong. Ha, I need to be more clear. Yes, moving is definitely the safer option, that was the intended message.
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This might not make sense since I'm trying not to give too many details, but I our company is downsizing the amount of work and thus had to layoff a handful of now-redundant jobs. (Which, don't get me wrong, sucks.) Today I had two of the people in these roles who are not being laid off act pissy and downright unprofessional with key clients. One was in front of my boss and she was shaking mad. "If he was on my team, he'd be fired for that. That's how bad it was." So now I have to scramble to run damage control with the clients.
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Midjack posted:To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women. ??? Are you implying that your enemies are all straight males or else lesbians? That type of vitriol has no place at our company.
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Tnuctip posted:Turned in my notice with my current “startup”, felt real sad because my boss asked right when I walked in if I was resigning, to which I said yea of course. Told him I was offered a lot more money, and he said I’m loving him. Asked a little while to put a counter together. And not to sweat the cockblocking founder president that torpedoed a promotion for a (smart and good) colleague a couple months ago. 1) Look at the bolded part 2) Don't take the counter offer The fact he's trying to make you feel guilty says all you need to know about the kind of person/boss he is. Just like the old saying goes: employees don't quit bad companies, they quit bad managers.
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BOOTY-ADE posted:1) Look at the bolded part All of this. Also Tnuctip, you feel bad because you are a human being with empathy and you've mistaken your boss for a fellow human being.
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Eric the Mauve posted:GODDAMMIT ERIC QUOTE IS NOT loving EDIT At least you now have an answer to "describe a personal failure" in future interviews efb CancerCakes posted:Sounds like a personal failure you can talk about on your next interview And now so do I!
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Dango Bango posted:This might not make sense since I'm trying not to give too many details, but I our company is downsizing the amount of work and thus had to layoff a handful of now-redundant jobs. (Which, don't get me wrong, sucks.) Why did they put them in front of clients after finding out they were laid off? That laid off folks weren't the ones being unprofessional there.
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Lockback posted:Why did they put them in front of clients after finding out they were laid off? That laid off folks weren't the ones being unprofessional there. Dango said it was people who WERENT being laid off that had the attitude. And I get why they're pissed off as presumably their workload just went through the roof.
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Why is morale so low everyone should be happy that they survived The Great Layoff of 2024. Let's buy them some pizza.
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Fil5000 posted:Dango said it was people who WERENT being laid off that had the attitude. And I get why they're pissed off as presumably their workload just went through the roof. Correct. The guy in front of the clients today is sticking around and his entire team is as well. His workload won't increase - the handful of people were let go because there wasn't enough work going forward to support keeping them on. It wasn't a downsizing strictly for costs.
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Oh well then that guy just screwed himself I guess
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I'm tired and cranky and haven't slept properly in weeks. Yesterday somebody @ed me in an e-mail chain for something that doesn't have anything to do with me, with no clear ask and an otherwise empty body. Today they're giving me an attitude for not providing an update, but still haven't actually clarified what they want. I'm gonna have fun with this. Congratulations motherfucker I've found a way to get my aggression out.
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If you guessed "continue to ignore it until after their deadline has passed' you're correct.
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Renegret posted:I'm tired and cranky and haven't slept properly in weeks. I have been advised that you require advice but I need further advice on the advice of which you wish to be advised. Please advise.
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Aaaand layoffs incoming. Surprise meeting just showed up on my calendar for an hour from now but only managers are in the invite. But not all managers just the majority. Yay calendar stalking looking for private busy blocks at the same time.
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BOOTY-ADE posted:1) Look at the bolded part I suspect he'll quit soon too TBH.
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Fil5000 posted:Dango said it was people who WERENT being laid off that had the attitude. And I get why they're pissed off as presumably their workload just went through the roof. Oh I missed that. Well yeah thats also reaping what you sow to a degree..
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Arquinsiel posted:I just quit a bad company with a great manager. Great managers can't prop up bad companies. So yeah, they'll quit, burnout, or get fired because they don't fit in.
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Xguard86 posted:Great managers can't prop up bad companies. So yeah, they'll quit, burnout, or get fired because they don't fit in. Mhm. They don't have the authority or resources to make the company good, or it already would be.
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Tnuctip posted:Turned in my notice with my current “startup”, felt real sad because my boss asked right when I walked in if I was resigning, to which I said yea of course. Told him I was offered a lot more money, and he said I’m loving him. Asked a little while to put a counter together. And not to sweat the cockblocking founder president that torpedoed a promotion for a (smart and good) colleague a couple months ago. Its telling your referring to this VP as cockblocker and your manager is complaining your loving him. This sounds like the sort of toxic environment where staying will gently caress you. 1) They could have fixed the problems sooner to keep you and found kore money without you leaving. 2) You will be viewed with suspicion and never receive promotions or raises again. 3) Place your now changing your response to no will blackball you eternally. Worst career choice I made was a counter offer, it pissed off my employer and a prospective employer I would not recommend taking one here especially given how they responded.
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Shrieking Muppet posted:3) Place your now changing your response to no will blackball you eternally. Not necessarily true in quite that extreme, but... pissing off a company that demonstrated more interest in you than the one you're staying at is a Very Bad Thing, and a huge consideration in favor of not taking a counter.
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New CEO since January has now decided to shake up the corporate reporting structure so they had an all hands meeting at t-3 hours from my normal start time to roll this out. The only change for us here in the boondocks is that my great-great-grandboss in NYC now reports to a new person. They are super hyped to announce that the new person has just a ton of experience in ‘growing brands’ and I’m sure that’s awesome for them but I’m a little pessimistic they’re going to fix the little things like the trash is piled on the dock and spilling into the building because the trash doesn’t get picked up because AP keeps not paying waste management.
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Layoffs happening, some managers in my org had their directs laid off and are now staff ICS. Me and my team unaffected and I'm even getting a contract position converted to fte. Full org announcement happening soon
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Lots of layoffs this week at my company as well. Seems to be manufacturing and some weird bits like publications and market access most affected. A few people in clinical have had their jobs offshored to India which is a bad development. I was looking for an article I found a while ago that analysed what causes CEOs to initiate layoffs, their finding was that the biggest factor was other CEOs doing layoffs. Probably a good thing I can't track it down. I did leave some mildly spicy comments in last week's employee survey in anticipation of something stupid happening.
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Eh our layoffs are due to our CV study results and having to update and retest. Not surprising. More surprised my team escaped unscathed. It pays to directly support the main company product.
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knox_harrington posted:Lots of layoffs this week at my company as well. Seems to be manufacturing and some weird bits like publications and market access most affected. A few people in clinical have had their jobs offshored to India which is a bad development. Presumably second biggest factor was "consultants told us to"
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CEOs are more governed by peer pressure than any other group, bunch of weird little freaks
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Fil5000 posted:Presumably second biggest factor was "consultants told us to" Google and Facebook are doing it therefore,
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priznat posted:CEOs are more governed by peer pressure than any other group, bunch of weird little freaks Clearly we need to raise their compensation so they can afford therapy.
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I'm thinking about opening my e-mails with a mad-libs style arrangement. I hope this e-mail finds you well. I hope this e-mail finds you carbon-based. I hope this e-mail finds you eventually, alive and safe. I hope this e-mail finds your missing TV remote. I hope this e-mail finds you screaming and covered in bees.
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Hrm... Not really sure how I feel about Zoom's big visual refresh.
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priznat posted:CEOs are more governed by peer pressure than any other group, bunch of weird little freaks Can't get pushed out of your cushy figurehead job if you just follow the "thought leadership" of the majority of the other people in your position
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In this specific case (every company in an industry doing layoffs at about the same time) it serves a purpose beyond merely hivemind twitching: flooding the labor market with supply keeps labor costs down.
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Eric the Mauve posted:In this specific case (every company in an industry doing layoffs at about the same time) it serves a purpose beyond merely hivemind twitching: flooding the labor market with supply keeps labor costs down. I'm not sure companies care that much about flooding the market for the benefit of other companies (these guys always slam betray in the prisoner dilemma), but I do think there is way less pressure to keep high man power due to FOMO so it's a lot easier to slim down. So similar idea.
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