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NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice
So, Cage the Elephant has a new song out, and I'm not sure if they meant to troll VW owners or what, but it definitely had me worried for a little bit until I realized it was the radio.

https://youtu.be/3MY9fGsHetc?si=KFJCoa0Nh9vQDGlQ

It's right about the 0:35 mark, give it a listen while cruising for the full effect.

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Nitr0
Aug 17, 2005

IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE

Inner Light posted:

Audi and VAG has come a long way in reliability. I won’t count your chickens but I don’t think you’ll have to worry about much beyond scheduled maintenance for a long time. Enjoy the whip.

As an owner of an older A4, black Audis are the right color.

My 2019 Q8 with 57000km is in the dealer for the next month because apparently there was metal shavings in the oil and it needs a new engine.

No charge, but the ol reliability may not be what she used to be.

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

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2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC

CommieGIR posted:

Which TDI is that? If its the 3.0 TDI V6: It'd be decent, in the the A7/S7 platform it gets really good mileage (up to 45 MPG)

Yeah I think that's the one, which is quite a difference. I'm currently averaging 30mpg on a motorway run and more like 27mpg if the roads are quiet.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Theophany posted:

Yeah I think that's the one, which is quite a difference. I'm currently averaging 30mpg on a motorway run and more like 27mpg if the roads are quiet.

25 City, 38 Highway is what I'm seeing. For comparison - My Q7 TDI does about 22 City, 28-30 Highway, but it weights 5500 lbs versus 4,350 lbs of the A7

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



Nitr0 posted:

My 2019 Q8 with 57000km is in the dealer for the next month because apparently there was metal shavings in the oil and it needs a new engine.

No charge, but the ol reliability may not be what she used to be.

That is pretty crappy, at least it hit within the warranty period so the fast death vs. slow death with only relatively few failures in between, may be an improvement for Audi.

My 2013 B8.5 A4 has had many issues, and the superior German adhesive on the chromed grille is bubbling, which is not repairable without a new or aftermarket grille out of warranty. It also eats about 1qt of oil in less than a couple thousand miles. May she continue to run for a while.

Inner Light fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Feb 25, 2024

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Inner Light posted:

That is pretty crappy, at least it hit within the warranty period so the fast death vs. slow death with only relatively few failures in between, may be an improvement for Audi.

My 2013 B8.5 A4 has had many issues, and the superior German adhesive on the chromed grille is bubbling, which is not repairable without a new or aftermarket grille out of warranty. It also eats about 1qt of oil in less than a couple thousand miles. May she continue to run for a while.



What oil are you running? I have the 2.0T FSI (2005.5) and Liqui-Moly Leichtlauf has been great, oil consumption is effectively not a thing for me anymore.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

trilobite terror posted:

first year for the B8

First year of anything is kind of crap but especially for VAG product

my alltrack has been quite reliable so far but it was also the very last year of the Mk 7.5 so basically all the bugs got cut out

DoesNotCompute
Apr 10, 2006

Big Wiener.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

First year of anything is kind of crap but especially for VAG product

my alltrack has been quite reliable so far but it was also the very last year of the Mk 7.5 so basically all the bugs got cut out

The B9 for me was the outlier, mine was a '17 and it was very very reliable. That said, most of the important parts were evolutions of parts that had broken four billion times on B8's and B8.5's.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Between here and the hatch thread I know y'all are sick of hearing about my mk7, but the crank+no-start problem was fixed by a high pressure fuel pump. 30 minute install, top mounted, all i needed that I didn't have was some triple-square bits.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost
I've had a couple Q7s and a Q5 as rentals, and they are my favorite cars now. I should stop reading this thread, because it makes me want to trade my Camry in on one.

DoesNotCompute
Apr 10, 2006

Big Wiener.

Nocheez posted:

I've had a couple Q7s and a Q5 as rentals, and they are my favorite cars now. I should stop reading this thread, because it makes me want to trade my Camry in on one.

Second gen Q5 is basically a lifted B9, they depreciate into the ground pretty fast so they're relatively good value especially if you're comfortable with routine maintenance. The 2.0T is very very easy to work on in that engine bay. Anecdotally they eat through brake pads faster than their B9 cousin though.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Deviant posted:

Between here and the hatch thread I know y'all are sick of hearing about my mk7, but the crank+no-start problem was fixed by a high pressure fuel pump. 30 minute install, top mounted, all i needed that I didn't have was some triple-square bits.

Nice, glad it got fixed in the end without too much bullshit.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

DoesNotCompute posted:

Second gen Q5 is basically a lifted B9, they depreciate into the ground pretty fast so they're relatively good value especially if you're comfortable with routine maintenance. The 2.0T is very very easy to work on in that engine bay. Anecdotally they eat through brake pads faster than their B9 cousin though.

Coming from Toyotas that generally need very little maintenance and are easy to work on, how much of a punch in the dick are VAG products nowadays?

I wouldn't touch them in the early 2000s, but I've really liked my rentals.

Normal Person
Oct 14, 2011
We test-drove the Q5/SQ5 before going Macan GTS, and if it weren't for the Macan existing we would have gone with it. Really great cars/platform.

DoesNotCompute
Apr 10, 2006

Big Wiener.

Nocheez posted:

Coming from Toyotas that generally need very little maintenance and are easy to work on, how much of a punch in the dick are VAG products nowadays?

I wouldn't touch them in the early 2000s, but I've really liked my rentals.

I can only speak to my A4, but in 75k km and three years I had to replace a cam shift actuator which took 4 minutes in my driveway with a $90 part and an intermediate steering shaft which was a $120 salvage part* that took me 45 minutes to replace with a set of ramps. Besides that, oil changes.

*Audi wanted $1,300 CAD for the part lol

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I have a 2016 GTI, and every time I turn on the car there's a loud clacking noise from the glove box. Also happens when I change turn the fan speed on or off.

Googling makes me suspect that is the HVAC recirculator motor that's failed.

My question: is replacing this worth paying someone? I'm a complete novice when it comes to any car issues. I'm usually happy to pay someone who knows more than I do to fix stuff. But my usual mechanic quoted $250 just to take it apart to see what the issue is and I'm wondering if maybe I've found my price limit.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Nocheez posted:

Coming from Toyotas that generally need very little maintenance and are easy to work on, how much of a punch in the dick are VAG products nowadays?

I wouldn't touch them in the early 2000s, but I've really liked my rentals.

Are you doing your own work? I find that the Germans use some more specialty fasteners and things, and there are some philosophical differences about how the cars work from a maintenance and repair standpoint that often drive more labor, but it's not that bad. For instance, my E39 demands to be in Service Position 1 for a lot of operations. That means removing most of the front. It takes time to do and requires a big beefy T50 but once you're in there, things are fairly straightforward. Except when they're not. All cars have weird service idiosyncrasies, the Germans tend to be weirder. Like taking the entire car apart to change a CAF on a F10.

If you're not doing your own work, find a Euro specialist. (Do it anyway, there's going to be stuff that you don't want to tackle). Expect to pay a slight premium for door rate and a slight premium for parts. Do not neglect routine maintenance. It will be more expensive than owning a Toyota and as long as you accept that you should be fine.

rally
Nov 19, 2002

yospos
Audi rakes you over the coals for genuine parts but if you go with “OEM” and do the work yourself it almost isn’t insane to own a B8 A4. It has only cost me about a Honda accord in yearly payments to maintain myself. If I was getting everything done in a shop with Audi parts I might as well be driving a brand new A6, cost per year speaking.

Did in tank fuel pump, pcv, coil packs, engine mounts, water pump / tstat, blow motor, vacuum pump, one upper control arm, rear door lock actuators in 4 months….typing that out didn’t feel good.

rally fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Feb 28, 2024

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

rally posted:

Audi rakes you over the coals for genuine parts but if you go with “OEM” and do the work yourself it almost isn’t insane to own a B8 A4.

FCPEuro is next day ground shipping from me. It makes owning stupid old german cars much easier.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

My Mk5 GTI is blowing warmer air at most settings than I feel like it should be. The car doesn't have a digital climatic system, it's just a temp knob and a fan speed knob alongside the selector knob for where the air will be delivered.

If it's set to the lowest (18c) it blows appropriately cool. If it's set to between that and the midpoint, around 20C, it feels like the air is nearly as warm as if I set it to full heat. I'm at a bit of a loss for what could be causing this - my understanding is that the heater core always is at whatever temp once the car is warmed up and when you select a heating mode the air is diverted to pick up that heat. Is it possible there's a ducting valve in the dash somewhere that's not behaving appropriately?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Sounds like classic symptoms of a failed blend door actuator or just the clip. VAG/Porsche seems to like to make sure they fail wide open (hot).

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

VelociBacon posted:

My Mk5 GTI is blowing warmer air at most settings than I feel like it should be. The car doesn't have a digital climatic system, it's just a temp knob and a fan speed knob alongside the selector knob for where the air will be delivered.

If it's set to the lowest (18c) it blows appropriately cool. If it's set to between that and the midpoint, around 20C, it feels like the air is nearly as warm as if I set it to full heat. I'm at a bit of a loss for what could be causing this - my understanding is that the heater core always is at whatever temp once the car is warmed up and when you select a heating mode the air is diverted to pick up that heat. Is it possible there's a ducting valve in the dash somewhere that's not behaving appropriately?

Yup, sounds like blend door like Motronic highlighted.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Thank you. I'm guessing this is a real treat to replace.

e: actually doesn't look that horrible, just by the foot well.

e2: oh my god

VelociBacon fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Feb 28, 2024

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice

Awkward Davies posted:

I have a 2016 GTI, and every time I turn on the car there's a loud clacking noise from the glove box. Also happens when I change turn the fan speed on or off.

Googling makes me suspect that is the HVAC recirculator motor that's failed.

My question: is replacing this worth paying someone? I'm a complete novice when it comes to any car issues. I'm usually happy to pay someone who knows more than I do to fix stuff. But my usual mechanic quoted $250 just to take it apart to see what the issue is and I'm wondering if maybe I've found my price limit.

I'd be asking myself, is it worth replacing? If you've still got a functional blower, hot air, cold air, and can make it blow different spots (windshield for defrost, body for AC, feet for heat), I'd be happy at that. Personally I'd leave it alone at any price, but it's your car and your call.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

VelociBacon posted:

Thank you. I'm guessing this is a real treat to replace.

e: actually doesn't look that horrible, just by the foot well.

e2: oh my god

this is such a good summary of the VAG ownership experience at times

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

NoWake posted:

I'd be asking myself, is it worth replacing? If you've still got a functional blower, hot air, cold air, and can make it blow different spots (windshield for defrost, body for AC, feet for heat), I'd be happy at that. Personally I'd leave it alone at any price, but it's your car and your call.

The sound is pretty annoying. It’s like something is haunting my glovebox and isn’t very happy with me. Also I’d just prefer if my car weren’t a slowly accumulating list of broken things.

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

I think it’s an okay rate that your mechanic is estimating. Maybe a little high, but that’s life. Maybe call around and see if there are any VW specialists in your area.

If I understand you right, I’m leaning toward a noisy blower motor. You’re saying this sound occurs when the fans are running, right? It doesn’t really matter though. A lot of modern HVAC stuff I’d leave it to the professionals. There are better introductions to DIY auto repair.

nitsuga fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Feb 29, 2024

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

this is such a good summary of the VAG ownership experience at times
VW/Audi Ownership Thread: It doesn't look that hard to fix, e: oh my god

rally
Nov 19, 2002

yospos
If it is the blower motor vibration noise it isn’t a bad fix.

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️

Awkward Davies posted:

I have a 2016 GTI, and every time I turn on the car there's a loud clacking noise from the glove box. Also happens when I change turn the fan speed on or off.

Googling makes me suspect that is the HVAC recirculator motor that's failed.

My question: is replacing this worth paying someone? I'm a complete novice when it comes to any car issues. I'm usually happy to pay someone who knows more than I do to fix stuff. But my usual mechanic quoted $250 just to take it apart to see what the issue is and I'm wondering if maybe I've found my price limit.

It may be the actuator arm that closes/opens the vents for recirculation. Cycle your recirculation button and if you hear it then yes, that’s it.

I had one go out on an old G6 I had. No idea how easy it is to replace on a VW. You will probably have to remove the side facia of the dashboard with the door wide open and then lower your glove box door beyond its normal limits.

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



movax posted:

What oil are you running? I have the 2.0T FSI (2005.5) and Liqui-Moly Leichtlauf has been great, oil consumption is effectively not a thing for me anymore.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007IBSDJY/

I have so far used this: Valvoline European Vehicle Full Synthetic SAE 5W-40 Motor Oil 1 QT. I think I saw the dealer using these Valvoline 1qt bottles when they were out of the Audi branded schmoo from I'm sure a similar refinery.

I might pick up this fancy Liqui-Moly if I stop by a parts place sometime, thanks for the recommend.

VVV :cheers:

Inner Light fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Mar 2, 2024

TenaciousTomato
Jul 17, 2007

Interworld and the New Innocence

Inner Light posted:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007IBSDJY/

I have so far used this: Valvoline European Vehicle Full Synthetic SAE 5W-40 Motor Oil 1 QT. I think I saw the dealer using these Valvoline 1qt bottles when they were out of the Audi branded schmoo from I'm sure a similar refinery.

I might pick up this fancy Liqui-Moly if I stop by a parts place sometime, thanks for the recommend.

Love me some Liqui-Moly as well. You can grab oil change kits slightly discounted from ECS Tuning and FCP Euro if you feel like shopping online.

Coffee Sludge
Dec 14, 2003

Dag nabbit
Grimey Drawer

dialhforhero posted:

It may be the actuator arm that closes/opens the vents for recirculation. Cycle your recirculation button and if you hear it then yes, that’s it.

I had one go out on an old G6 I had. No idea how easy it is to replace on a VW. You will probably have to remove the side facia of the dashboard with the door wide open and then lower your glove box door beyond its normal limits.

It's actually pretty easy to take out. Watched a video on it for his car out of curiosity. A tiny bit more involved than it was for my '11 A3, but a ton less than my '91 S10 when I had to replace the heater core.

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO



2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC
Fun one yesterday, I'd made an enquiry about a very tidy looking RS6 avant in Daytona Grey with a local-ish Audi dealer earlier in the week. All the options ticked, 40k on the clock, FASH. Did all the initial sums and it looked like we could do a reasonable deal and had arranged to pop over and see it this weekend.

Until the dealer called up just before close of business yesterday to say they were withdrawing the car from sale because it was going to take £10k to put it in a saleable condition. How the gently caress do you 1. need to do £10k worth of servicing to a car that has only been in your own dealer network and 2. How can you prep a car for sale without knowing this??

Bullet dodged, I guess, but I've never had that before.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Theophany posted:

Fun one yesterday, I'd made an enquiry about a very tidy looking RS6 avant in Daytona Grey with a local-ish Audi dealer earlier in the week. All the options ticked, 40k on the clock, FASH. Did all the initial sums and it looked like we could do a reasonable deal and had arranged to pop over and see it this weekend.

Until the dealer called up just before close of business yesterday to say they were withdrawing the car from sale because it was going to take £10k to put it in a saleable condition. How the gently caress do you 1. need to do £10k worth of servicing to a car that has only been in your own dealer network and 2. How can you prep a car for sale without knowing this??

Bullet dodged, I guess, but I've never had that before.

They just sold it to someone else who accepted worse financing terms I expect? Probably was never 10k of repairs.

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO



2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC
Yeah, I figure that was always a possibility. Just seemed weird to lie about it, I didn't put a deposit down or anything.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


people swear off dealers for all sorts of reasons

for example, the VW dealer east of me refused to give me a hard price on the 25th anniversary golf and as such i do not own one and they will not ever get my business.

see also the dealer that gave me a price WITH a 20% dealer adjustment. gently caress you, you don't get an extra five digits of my money because you lucked into something unusual.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Did it have CCBs? A replacement front rotor could easily be £10k. I think they're about US$13K each.

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

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2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC

Mr. Apollo posted:

Did it have CCBs? A replacement front rotor could easily be £10k. I think they're about US$13K each.

Nah, I wouldn't touch a car with ceramics.

If they were being honest it'll turn up in a week or so on Auto Trader once another trader buys it, gives it a wash and marks it up 10% having done none of the work that is supposedly required.

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obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005

Do dealerships offer extended warranties on vehicles not purchased from that particular dealership? I'm sure they're glad to have my money? I've been having a bunch of car issues as of late and I've been "lucky" enough to have everything covered so far. Some big things, some small things. Enough problems that I'm really considering purchasing an additional warranty and not have to think about anything. I have a 2019 Tiguan so I think the warranty is 6 year / 72k.

The last three months I had to deal with...

1. Independent shop did an oil change, said oil pan was leaking. Dealership covered it.

2. Rain started to get into the car, didn't notice until it was soaking wet from the rain. Replaced all flooring on the car. Dealership covered it.

3. Striker on the door loose, unable to close door. Dealership covered it.

4. Seatbelt stopped retracting. Dealership covered it.

5. Error message stating the battery was not charging while driving the car. Dealership checked it out, said battery was good.

6. A month later car was driving rough, check engine light comes on and off. Apparently battery needed to be replaced (code U350100). Covered out of pocket.

6. Found oil leaking from the oil pan again (during 2nd battery check), replaced the oil pan and thermal sensor. Dealership covered it.

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