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Holland Oats posted:I got my CLS housing today! $830 a month, one roommate, and I'll be living on 113th St. Am I right in thinking that I got pretty lucky? Oh yeah man that sound pretty bomb. Nice score.
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http://www.washington.edu/admin/pb/home/pdf/bgt-narratives/fy2011/Law.pdf UW Law recognizing it's not on the same level as the big public schools, and offering a solution: increase tuition 10, 12 and 14% over the next three years. EDIT: Maybe evidence that the UC model is gaining steam elsewhere. Hate it.
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Incredulous Red posted:Ave Maria? I always forget that one exists, but no, MSU, weren't you the one that asked me if I knew somebody from there? I don't remember if I answered but if that was you, the answer is "kinda."
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nm posted:For some reason I think you go to UMN. I loved the gently caress out of Cribari's evidence class I took three semesters ago that I just got done tutoring two people taking his final this semester. Goddamn what a useful class. In fact, Evidence (and to a lesser extent CrimPro) may be literally the only useful practical class I've ever taken in law school. Clinics have been helpful, if we don't define them as classes, then Evidence may just be the only useful class. Hmph. Also, I told my parents the reason I wasn't walking at graduation was "gently caress these dickheads who want to charge me $200 for walking, law school is already a scam I'm not letting them milk me for more." They replied: "It's not a scam you spent three years getting an education." Yes, parents, we'll call it that. Edit: also, other graduating 3Ls, what percentage of your class is so disinterested in graduating law school that they refuse to walk? I wouldn't say 1/4 of my class isn't walking, but it's pretty darn close. BigHead fucked around with this message at 06:10 on May 8, 2010 |
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May 8, 2010 06:06
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They're making you pay to walk? They didn't make our year. Useful courses I took in law school: Evidence (Though it is not as useful as you might think as those federal rules don't matter much at the state level) Physical Evidence Wrongful convictions Trial Practice Advanced Trial Practice Maybe my moot court (dunno if that counts) Maybe crimpro I sense a theme here. (Civil law courses are stupid)
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May 8, 2010 06:14
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BigHead posted:Also, I told my parents the reason I wasn't walking at graduation was "gently caress these dickheads who want to charge me $200 for walking, law school is already a scam I'm not letting them milk me for more." What the hell are they doing? I think about 90-95% of my class walked, and we weren't charged extra as far as I can recall (UMN '08).
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The most important part of graduation is getting drunk with your friends though.
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OptimistPrime posted:What the hell are they doing? I think about 90-95% of my class walked, and we weren't charged extra as far as I can recall (UMN '08). Yup we're being charged. Seriously, only half the class is still disillusioned enough to be proud of graduating law school. At least ten of us have completely convinced our families not to show up. My mother (who didn't walk during her nursing graduation) agreed with me, god bless her soul. Edit: it's actually hilarious to find someone who is excited to be graduating law school in this economy. I always ask "what's your job?" and they say "oh I'm working on a DFL election." "Oh, doing legal work?" "No, canvassing." Of the three people (THREE) I know who have lucrative, permanent employment after law school, two are alcoholics and one is a gay man married to a woman. In my three years of law school, I have met a grand total of two people who have a happy relationship, are healthy (read: not boozers) and have permanent jobs that pay $50k and $BigLaw. So people will excuse us if we don't feel like walking. nm posted:The most important part of graduation is getting drunk with your friends though. Yup we're doing that too. BigHead fucked around with this message at 06:43 on May 8, 2010 |
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BigHead posted:Yup we're being charged.
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soj89 posted:This is a bit horrifying. I'm applying for articles this summer. I heard that most firms haven't changed their hiring for articles yet but do you think the smaller and mid-size firms will cut back? Not getting a 2L OCI is a bitch. It pretty much locks you out of the big boys on Bay Street. Yeah, I have no idea about articling tips since I'm entering the process too. The problem with the smaller/midsize firms is that they mostly take their summer student as the articling student, rarely hiring extras. I can't see that changing in this economy.
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Petey posted:Don't go to law school. Go for theoretical bio. You'll make more money and you'll actually help people. So Petey, I know you've done a lot of research into graduate programs leading to degrees that enable teaching law and jurisprudence to undergrads. Given the job situation, my wife has given me the green light to pursue further education, assuming I can manage a full ride. I love jurisprudence (critical theory and neo-pragmatism in particular) and have really enjoyed the scholarly writing I've done in law school. Do you know much about programs in the DC or NY areas, how to apply, what to look for in a program and so forth? If my clerkship doesn't come through and the PTO doesn't start hiring in the very near future, I think this may be my way forward. I'd also be down with philosophy, but my undergrad degrees aren't philosophy related, so I think that's out.
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Ersatz posted:So Petey, I know you've done a lot of research into graduate programs leading to degrees that enable teaching law and jurisprudence to undergrads. Given the job situation, my wife has given me the green light to pursue further education, assuming I can manage a full ride. I love jurisprudence (critical theory and neo-pragmatism in particular) and have really enjoyed the scholarly writing I've done in law school. I'm already toying with some ideas for Princeton's MPA or PhD in policy, maybe look into those. We were talking in IRC earlier that the GRE requirements for getting into Woodrow Wilson aren't too bad and since you have some other scholarly chops and went to a good law school you might have a good path there.
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It's 4:30 am. I'm still in the (clinic) office. I have been here for 14 hours now. I have printed more than my own body weight in correspondence, pleadings, and research today. I filled a bankers box with nothing but emails -- not research, not extra poo poo printed out -- literally just the communications I've had on one single matter. I made it fit in a filing cabinet. It's not supposed to and now the cabinet will not open. I do not care. On the table in front of me is my laptop, an ipad with my headphones plugged into it playing porn clips from PinkVisualPad while I print, half a powerade, an empty starbucks doubleshot can (espresso + cream flavor), an empty container of pad thai, two bottles of mountain dew (empty), a pillbox filled with Unisom (aka over the counter Ambien), and an application for ABA health insurance. I am ready.
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Also in case it's relevant to anyone: Forwarded msg: Hello: We are pleased to inform you that we are still accepting applications for the following positions with the U.S. Department of State's Iraq Transition Assistance Office (ITAO). To learn more about the Iraq Transition Assistance Office, please go here: http://careers.state.gov/iraq-jobs/index.html. Please note that you must be a U.S. Citizen to apply. Click on the vacancy announcement links below for more information regarding qualifications and requirements, and to start the online application process on USAJobs. Senior Legal Consultant to the Ministry of Justice (Iraq) Deadline: 5/5/2010 PRT Sr. Governance Specialist (Iraq) Deadline: 5/6/2010 PRT Governance Specialist (Iraq) Deadline: 5/6/2010 PRT Sr. Urban Transportation Planner (Iraq) Deadline: 5/12/2010 PRT Urban Transportation Planner (Iraq) Deadline: 5/12/2010 PRT Business Development Specialist (Iraq) Deadline: 5/12/2010 PRT Sr. Business Development Specialist (Iraq) Deadline: 5/12/2010 Provincial Reconstruction, Transition and Stabilization Advisor (DC) Deadline: 5/13/2010 OPA Strategic Planner (Iraq) Deadline: 5/13/2010 QRF Program Officer (Iraq) Deadline: 5/13/2010 We appreciate your interest in a career with the U.S. Department of State. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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SWATJester posted:an application for ABA health insurance. I signed up for that and accidentally insured myself for a period in which I was already insured by my law school and for no period outside of that $300 well spent
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Messing up dates on a procedure assignment: awesome. Apparently my paper has time transitive properties, because my defence issued before the writ of summons. The best part is that these papers are up for public consumption and comment and they are criticised in tute. My shame cannot even be private.
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Don't know if this has been posted ... http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/109478/bar-raised-for-law-grad-jobs?mod=career-work "Thomas Reddy, a second-year student at Brooklyn Law School, hasn't landed a summer internship yet after sending resumes to more than 50 law firms. He is taking on about $70,000 of debt each year of the three-year program to earn his degree, but said he may be fortunate to make $80,000 a year in a lawyer job after graduating. "That is less than what I was making before I went to law school," he said." I really don't think an $80K job out of law school as a lawyer actually exists. All the big firm jobs start at $160K and the rest of the jobs are small-mid size firms and government jobs. Those types of job all start much lower than $80K. Revolver fucked around with this message at 14:59 on May 8, 2010 |
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stingray1381 posted:I really don't think an $80K job out of law school as a lawyer actually exists. All the big firm jobs start at $160K and the rest of the jobs are small-mid size firms and government jobs. Those types of job all start much lower than $80K. But our moms are so proud of us!
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Roger_Mudd posted:But our moms are so proud of us! Also, if you quit an $80K a year job to go to law school while taking out $70K in debt a year, you're an idiot. At least go part-time and keep your job.
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stingray1381 posted:Also, if you quit an $80K a year job to go to law school while taking out $70K in debt a year, you're an idiot. At least go part-time and keep your job. Friend of mine had $80k saved up from construction at 22 before going back to school to get a degree, now he's pushing 30 and still working construction in the summers and can't afford a downpayment for a house and lives with his parents now. Nobody should go to
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JudicialRestraints posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAI...feature=related I can't stop listening to this song. drat you JR.
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I've finally reached a milestone. I've got a giant gently caress-off hearing Monday, final Monday, and a final wednesday. I haven't studied for either of those finals. I'm at work today and popping Tums. Don't go to law school.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:The problem with the smaller/midsize firms is that they mostly take their summer student as the articling student, rarely hiring extras. I can't see that changing in this economy. It's not just the smaller firms. FMC Edmonton kept on all five of its summer students and only hired one additional person during the articling week interviews.
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Schitzo posted:It's not just the smaller firms. FMC Edmonton kept on all five of its summer students and only hired one additional person during the articling week interviews. Yeah, good point. If any Canadians are interested in the Toronto numbers this year, these guys keep an accurate tally. Last years were miserable as well, but unfortunately there's no data for earlier articling numbers.
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Holland Oats posted:I got my CLS housing today! $830 a month, one roommate, and I'll be living on 113th St. Am I right in thinking that I got pretty lucky? Yeah. That's the more fun side of campus.
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So, done with 1L as of Thursday! Problem: due to my loving up the online application process, I can't apply for Law Review (or any other journal, for that matter). How hosed am I? I have no interest in academia (or actually being on law review), but wanted to clerk. Napoleon I fucked around with this message at 20:41 on May 8, 2010 |
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Napoleon I posted:So, done with 1L as of Thursday! If LR is absolutely off the table, try to find a journal that you can write onto at a later time if your school has any, mine has some non-LR journals that you can write onto your third year. You'll want a law journal if you want to clerk. Ideally you want law review, sorry to say...if it was some sort of simple error maybe you could get an override or something? EDIT: If not, do Moot Court or something and try to write during your time at law school, also try to do clerk-type extern/internships if possible.
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Napoleon I posted:So, done with 1L as of Thursday! Journal is extremely important if you're interested in clerking. If it really was a simple screwup on your part and you can make a straight-faced argument to whoever is in charge that it would be in no way unfair to the other competitors to make an exception to the normal process to enable you to apply, you should start hustling to make it happen.
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sigmachiev posted:I'm already toying with some ideas for Princeton's MPA or PhD in policy, maybe look into those. We were talking in IRC earlier that the GRE requirements for getting into Woodrow Wilson aren't too bad and since you have some other scholarly chops and went to a good law school you might have a good path there. Thanks for the suggestion - I'll check it out.
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Napoleon I posted:Problem: due to my loving up the online application process, I can't apply for Law Review (or any other journal, for that matter). I seriously doubt that. What the hell did you do?
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The only thing better than celebrating the end of the year with finals, is celebrating the end of finals with a two week journal petition. I think this is "soul crushing" to a T.
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Someone in the last thread had some useful advice about picking up clients that aren't quite poor enough to meet the requirements for Legal Aid but not having enough money to hire an attorney at market rate. I searched 20 pages or so in the last thread but didn't find it. I believe they said something along the lines of some jurisdictions having some sort of list or service in order to find these potential clients for some cheap work. Anyone know what those services are called? Better yet, whether Oregon specifically has such a service?
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Blakkout posted:The only thing better than celebrating the end of the year with finals, is celebrating the end of finals with a two week journal petition. I think this is "soul crushing" to a T. Just wait until you're celebrating the end of the year by preparing for an interview during your final round of finals.
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Ersatz posted:Just wait until you're celebrating the end of the year by preparing for an interview during your final round of finals. Just wait until you graduate and have a job and there is no celebrating again ever because there is always something billable that you could be doing instead.
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mushi posted:Someone in the last thread had some useful advice about picking up clients that aren't quite poor enough to meet the requirements for Legal Aid but not having enough money to hire an attorney at market rate. I searched 20 pages or so in the last thread but didn't find it. That would be me. Oregon hasn't gotten on-board with pro se assistance and unbundling programs yet, and are more focused on pro bono representation. But that doesn't mean you can't take the lead on that. One thing you can do is talk with the Legal Services office that should be in just about every court house in the state, and leave them your contact information for referral to any clients who don't qualify for assistance but can't afford full services. Then, you consult with whoever is referred, agree on the level of assistance you're going to provide and what rates you'll charge. The benefit of this is that client isn't going to tie up as much of your time as a full service client will, which means you'll have time to help more people, and if they're happy they're going to come back the next time they have a problem, as well as possibly referring more people to you. The benefit to them is they're not going in completely ignorant of what's going on, don't have to spend a bunch of time doing legal research and teaching themselves about what the next steps are going to be, and they can have a better idea of what they're going to see and hear in the court room if you prepare them in advance. The benefit to the court is the staff isn't going to be tied up answering their questions about procedure and brushing them off when they ask for legal advice, which takes a ton more time than helping an attorney, as well as helping keep refilings and continuances off the docket. If Legal Services doesn't have a list of attorneys and is hesitant to get your contact information, explain the above to them. It should change their tune. e: Here is some information through the ABA website.
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Solomon Grundy posted:Just wait until you graduate and have a job and there is no celebrating again ever because there is always something billable that you could be doing instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFnVDOvO-ks
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Incredulous Red posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFnVDOvO-ks wow, that guy is a pretty good singer.
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stingray1381 posted:Don't know if this has been posted ... DA or PD gets $50-98k out of law school depending on location ($98k is SF) with an average of 70-80k. Mid-law here is $80-100k with a bit more in SF/LA (These firms are actually hiring as well) So there are plenty of 80k jobs out here. I can't imagine NYC pays much less than CA's non-SF firms.
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Well, a starting position in a NYC DA's office pays about 50-54k depending on borough. As expensive as SF is I doubt cost of living is nearly double New York's.
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Solomon Grundy posted:Just wait until you graduate and have a job and there is no celebrating again ever because there is always something billable that you could be doing instead. I just had a serious internal debate whether to go home for dinner (and then try to work from home later tonight) or just stay at the office and keep grinding away.
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