Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
Application cycle update: Rejected at Yale and Stanford, on the waitlist for Harvard. No, my application wasn't horrible. The new admissions dean at Harvard has waitlisted most of the applicants with numbers like mine or slightly better. Probably going to take the Northwestern deferred full ride and work in DC for a year because that's such an awesome deal. Unless I find some cool job I like and decide not to go to law school.

I also really enjoy fajita burritos from Chipotle, with sour cream and stuff.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Abugadu posted:

lawl

Those old megathreads are awesome.

drat, that's depressing. Glad I'm going to Northwestern. Totally different thing here. That's practically the opposite direction!

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

billion dollar bitch posted:

Well, I've decided not to do anything. But Feces, how are you saying "people will cheat will get theirs?" How will people get theirs if nothing happens?

For the record, I know a girl who actually cheated on the LSAT and got into American University LS from that. Of course you can say, "lol she is in law school she got hers amirite?" but then there's necessarily some kid out there who's going to a not-as-good law school, who might have done much better otherwise.

I guess the difference is nobody will know if she cheated on the LSAT and hopefully the prof can just look at the margins...

PS Good luck to you too.

No, you're right. "Karma will even things out" or "people who cheat will get theirs" just isn't true. Plenty of horrible people benefit greatly from doing horrible things. That said, karma is a bitch ;) mwah

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

sigmachiev posted:

Woop done, gonna be a sick summer in SD then I'm blowing this pop stand for greener pastures.

Haha, these three posts in a row could really give somebody who hasn't read the thread carefully the impression that going to a T2-4 with the intention of transferring up is a good idea.

Low GPA guy, if you realllly want to go to law school, pretty much your only shot at a T14 is working in the real world for a couple years, getting a 171/172+ on the LSAT, and applying to Northwestern with binding early decision.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Incredulous Red posted:

If you're waitlisted at this point you're probably not going

That's kind of a silly thing to say. Anybody who's waitlisted at any point is "probably not going," but schools still pull off the waitlist well into the summer and he should do his best to get in if he wants to go. We're only a couple weeks past the deposit deadlines of most schools.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Blinkz0rz posted:

That's pretty loving racist.

No, it's not.

Anyway, here's the most likely answer: Petey's public ivy was in Virginia, the dumb student was a Virginia resident, and Virginia residents have a huge advantage when applying to UVA Law, which I think is pretty lame.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

HooKars posted:

UVA only reserves 40% of it's class for VA students, so it's really not a huge advantage. At least in comparison to schools like UT who reserve 65% of their class to residents and UNC who take 70-75% residents.

I think 40% is huge for a T14. UNC is ranked much lower, while Texas has more than three times the population of Virginia, and has lower admissions standards as well, and Texas residents do have a really big advantage. The other T14 state schools don't have in-state quotas even close to as high as UVA, and residents of those states still have a noticeable, though not huge, advantage.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

HooKars posted:

Do you want them to change this just because a random magazine decided they were a good school? Virginia residents definitely have an advantage but in state school land, their quota is relatively tame. I'm pretty sure UVA could make their numbers lower since they're almost entirely privately funded, but a lot of residency statistics are tied to state funding. Schools aren't just going to give that up or make huge changes because US News bumps UCLA, UNC, UT or whoever up into the top 14.

Berkeley "strives to enroll a class that has a majority of residents, but offers admission to an equal number of residents and nonresidents in order to obtain the ratio they seek" according to their FAQ page -- which seems like it may lead to more than 40% California residents in any given year. #15 UCLA class profiles seem to be around 65% - 70% California Residents. #15 UT takes around 65%. Minnesota seems to keep a 60/40 split like Virginia, Iowa takes around 50%.

Seems like Michigan is really the big outlier at 20%.

(Just to clarify: I thought you meant UVA is lame for taking as many as 40% residents, in which case - they are pretty in line with other schools. But maybe you just don't believe state schools in general should have to take a % of residents, I don't know.)

Of course I'm not saying that the reason it's lame is because some crazy news magazine randomly decided UVA should be in the top 14. I'm saying it because as a T14, UVA has very high standards for non-UVA residents, and has very good job prospects for students coming out of the school, much better and more nationally-applicable than T30 state schools. California again is an enormous state, even bigger than Texas, and Berkeley and UCLA probably get enough applicants from California who have roughly the same GPA/LSAT cominations as non-residents who get in. A large portion of non-residents who get in probably choose other schools. There's a difference between a quota and what percent actually end up getting admitted or matriculating.

Minnesota and Iowa are both good schools, but they're regional schools and they're going to get many more in-state applicants than a school that a large number of people from all over the country apply to and end up attending like UVA. I'm not blaming UVA if they have to do this or lose state funding. I'm saying that an expensive law school with such high standards for out-of-state students and good job prospects all over the country, in a relatively small state, should not have such a high quota for VA residents. Unless there are data that show that VA residents only have a pretty minor advantage when applying.

Edit: I have other arguments I could use too, but this post is already long.

MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 23:05 on May 18, 2010

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
I've been interviewing with LSAT prep companies in DC with the hope of getting a job. I know I'll have some kids who want to go to non-good law schools and it'll be sad, but my goal is to make sure every student does better than I did on the LSAT. I should found a tutoring service with something cheesy like that as the motto, it works too well with my score.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Linguica posted:

:irony:

Dude, it's not his fault Duke won the NCAA Tournament!

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

echopapa posted:

So family law is basically The Aristocrats.

I thought this comment was really funny.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
Congrats, now you can "boalt" from USD to a better California school! Called Berkeley.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

CmdrSmirnoff posted:

(actually Lewis & Clark's stuff was kickin' rad and sold the place well, maybe I should keep that one and burn the rest)

I'm really sick of telling people this, and maybe you're just joking, but: Lewis & Clark isn't worth going to UNLESS you're absolutely certain you're interested in environmental justice.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

billion dollar bitch posted:

I'm firmly above median,

billion dollar bitch posted:

I mean honestly, 3.28 ... what do you think my chances are?

I thought median at Columbia was at least 3.3.

Edit: Also how do Columbia students know whether to calculate A- as 3.7 or 3.66, and B+ as 3.3 or 3.33? I guess you could look at how the undergrad does it. Or is there a standard for law schools?

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Green Crayons posted:

Upcoming class of 2013 has a FB group, with various discussion topics.

Gunners already spotted.

There are still only three people in my class's Facebook group... :(

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
Having a barrier to entry like the bar would make a lot more sense if people had to take it before they go to law school and fully commit themselves to the profession.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
It's a lot more reasonable to want to be rich/richer in the United States than in Europe. Compared to other developed countries, America is a place where it sucks to have an average income.

In Europe, university is cheap as poo poo so people don't have to worry about paying for their kids' educations or having loans. In general both men and women get about six months of paid maternity/paternity leave and another six months of unpaid leave. Public transportation is good so you don't have to own a car. Health care is adequate and health problems aren't a huge financial drain. Having several weeks of paid vacation per year is mandatory. There are really generous safety nets for people if things go wrong. The United States doesn't have this stuff.

In the United States a family with an income even close to as low as average is one moderate disaster away from being in deep poo poo. Having money is really important in the United States compared to other developed countries, because our system is centered around making as much money as you can for yourself.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Lykourgos posted:

Well I don't know what BU is, but if he's literally number 1 in the class, shouldn't he be able to get something? I mean, he can literally say "I have the highest GPA at my TTT, and I am on a TTT law review"

that must count for something

He said section, not class. Still, I think a ~top 5% person at BU should be in good shape.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Lykourgos posted:

Was your job at some lovely biglaw firm?

Also, got through all the benefits and healthcare stuff today; it is absolutely god like and incredibly cheap. Definitely a ward against any marital turbulence brought on by legal work.


Can't tell if this is supposed to be about Viagra.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

HooKars posted:

Soooo... I got an offer at one of the firms I interviewed at last month!

Everyone have a drink for me. Only took one and a half years.

When is SA going to put "like" buttons under posts so I can just like your post instead of having to actually say something to congratulate you? Good work!

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

JudicialRestraints posted:

Interview update: Within 3 hours of arriving in Washington DC I stepped on and have been attacked by a squirrel.

Should I get a rabies shot before or after my interviews, also if I am freely bleeding from my ankle/calf it will just prove to the hiring partners how badass I am, right?

I already told you, it didn't attack you if you stepped on it first. Keep your fat loving feet off our squirrels!

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
This guy worked at my dad's labor firm. That's the firm he's talking about. I even mentioned something to #lawgoons once or twice about there being a "fashionable Asian guy" working at my dad's office. I swear my dad's firm is more enjoyable than biglaw, despite what he says! Sure makes you not want to be a lawyer, huh?

Edit: Wow, go to his website, his stuff is good.

MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Aug 19, 2010

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
My goal at NULS will be to marry one of the med students at the law/med school campus.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Ainsley McTree posted:

If anyone needs me I'll be in the burn ward, drat

Don't think Medicaid covers a burn that bad, sorry...

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

GamingHyena posted:

Seriously though, what attorney would be stupid enough to infringe on the IP of a somewhat well known one hit wonder by ripping off their name and best known song?

The band's name is taken from something that already existed during the Holocaust. The song is "Love Will Tear Us Apart" and not "Love will tear you apart." Would Joy Division really get anything from this law firm?

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Petey posted:

These beliefs provided a stability and foundation and legitimacy to legal practice that was needed to itself legitimate what would otherwise be something that people literally revolted at (why follow a judge's decision if you think it's just his random bullshit beliefs and not based on higher principle?)

Man, that kind of makes me think of the first down chain they use in football. Except there's a totally different kind of chain gang in this situation. ;);)

Linguica posted:

The "Hand formula" basically says you're only negligent if the cost burden of preventing that negligence (B) is less than the probability (P) of some bad thing happening negligently, multiplied by the cost of the loss (L) of that bad thing, i.e., B < P*L. For instance, if there's a 10% chance that a person might trip on a crack on the sidewalk outside your store and hurt themselves to the tune of $1000, you're only negligent if fixing the crack would cost less than $100.

Of course, since in the real world it's impossible to accurately value P and L, it basically gives judges a way to legitimize any dumb decision on a negligence issue that they feel like making.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0dmRJ0oWg

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Petey posted:

I've said this before but one day I will write an article analyzing the use of the first down chain from a legal realist perspective / as a metaphor for legal decision making.

It's basically the best analogy out there.

I know, I was actually referencing/plagiarizing your work!

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Draile posted:

Have fun at Stanford / Cal. You would have been a probable admit at Yale if you'd applied there, too.

What? No. Don't say stuff like this if you don't actually know. Those aren't Yale numbers. He has a shot at Yale, but probably wouldn't get in. And he's only a maybe at Harvard and Stanford. Stanford is also pretty grade-heavy so his chances at Harvard are probably better. He has a very good chance of not making it into HYS altogether. The GPA is a little low for those schools.

No more "Have fun at Yale/Stanford/Harvard" posts unless you know what you're talking about please, it's annoying (if I missed the part where he said he's a URM, I apologize).

Edit: Also Petey I think you mean admittances instead of applicants.

MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Sep 24, 2010

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

nm posted:

That doesn't mean he shouldn't apply.

He should absolutely apply, I agree.

zzyzx posted:

Unless the ranges have gone way up in the last few years, 178/3.7 will almost certainly get into Harvard

Draile posted:

The 3.75 is also little low for HS but I think 178 compensates for it. The LSAT is weighed higher than GPA and at the upper extremes of the scale even minor changes in score drastically improve positioning relative to other applicants. In particular, Stanford's 75th percentile is only a 172, which is the 98.6th percentile on the exam; a 178 is in the 99.9th according to http://www.alpha-score.com/resource...ore-conversion. That 1.3% is a big difference when lots of top students with similar numbers are applying.

That's the thing, Harvard's and Stanford's ranges have gone up in recent years. Harvard also has a new admissions dean who seems to be less into 178+ LSAT scores than Toby Stock was. I'll go into this on the condition that people don't get nasty and say I must have been a lovely applicant. I applied with numbers slightly better than his, LSAC 3.77 and 179, and I was dinged at Yale and Stanford and waitlisted with no acceptance at Harvard. For a couple years people were telling me I was absolutely guaranteed to get into Harvard, even if I completely hosed things up.

I'll admit that I did a few things that must have hurt my application in Harvard's eyes, and while I had interesting and varied soft factors, I didn't have anything legitimately impressive. But I wasn't just a fluke. There were several applicants on TLS and LSN who had slightly worse to a bit better numbers than mine who were also waitlisted by Harvard. Some got in and some didn't. So 3.75-3.8/178-180 isn't what it used to be. There was even a 180/3.79 woman I talked to who seemed very well-written and intelligent based on her posts/messages and had some work experience who was waitlisted and ended up at Columbia with I think a half scholarship.

I'm not complaining though, my cycle went well overall because I got a deferred full ride at Northwestern and I think that situation is as good as or better for me than anything but Yale or a full ride at a better school.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

billion dollar bitch posted:

Maybe he was deferred and then chose a better career. Also MFH is a p. cool guy so basically Yale is worse off without him.

Thank you! And thanks, Petey. Like I said though, I can't complain. I'm lucky that I got what I got. It certainly wasn't what I was expecting though.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

GULC shitheads: rugby tomorrow @ 11 am on constitution and 6th

be there

I'm in DC and play rugby, but I just had dead people surgery Tuesday for my third and fourth knee ligament tears and can't walk yet. Otherwise I would totally join you guys. Also I'm done with rugby forever. Be careful Baruch, you're probably pretty soft now from that government job <3

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
If this will make people considering law school consider again:

I'm a special snowflake who did well on the LSAT and got a full scholarship at a top 14 school (Northwestern), which is deferred until Fall 2011, and I'm seriously considering not going. We'll see in about a year. I'd say right now there's a 50% chance that I'll either defer for another year, which they just told me I can do, or just not go.

MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Oct 12, 2010

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

ewr2870 posted:

She's out-of-touch and a terrible communicator.

The day before EIP started for the Class of 2011, she sent us all an unbelievably patronizing email stating, in part, that:


In other words, "Boy, it's really just great that many of you will struggle to get firm jobs (which would allow you to pay off the massive debt that we've piled on you) because now you can go do public interest work!"


I don't see anything particularly wrong with that email. It seems like a pretty standard email for a dean to send to students.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Save me jeebus posted:

In other news, my new employers are total irreverent bastards, when Easter rolls around my boss gives hell to the other partner about his people killing Jesus. Also I was getting drunk on the clock with my boss' approval. Double also he showed me where he keeps the Woodford Reserve.

:love:

OMG your office sounds so wacky! It's like it's literally The Office and you're Pam or Jim!

No, but seriously, that's good to hear.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Napoleon I posted:


On the other hand, our Lexis rep is fairly attractive, but our Westlaw rep wears suit jackets with jeans and has a faux-hawk.

All right, but does he look good? Does he pull it off? Are they ugly prefaded jeans or are they dark? Does everything fit? Assuming the Westlaw rep is a guy. If it's a woman, that sounds pretty cool. Also I guess I should say that despite my name I've never had a fauxhawk.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

J Miracle posted:

I was under the impression it was all done on the same day but not the same thing, like you did basically an exam then a presentation then a group project then interview, plus there's a job fair in there somewhere I don't know. I'm just gonna plod along and let them tell me what to do, that's the leadership quality they're looking for I'm sure.

I'm just wondering, are you still #1 in your class at MSU (or did I remember that completely incorrectly)? If you are I think it should be noted more so that potential law stupids don't just write you off as another schlub at a TTT from whom they don't need to learn.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
Every time somebody complains about the ABA, somebody else says that it was ruled that the ABA can't remove accreditation from schools as we want them to and they have their hands tied. Somebody just post a link to this already so I can read about it.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
We seriously only get one LSAT score reported and then it's back to taco chat? I hope some more drift in, mainly from people who've actually posted in this thread before.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Defleshed posted:

Hey don't look at me I am but a cog in the machine. A legal sonderkommando

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

blar posted:

Send them a check for $0.10. Maybe they won't hassle you so much if your name is on the official law school donor list?

Right, like that time I got guilted into giving some money to CARE after the disaster in Haiti and they never, ever contacted me again!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply