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stingray1381 posted:Did anyone know there was a Massachusetts School of Law? I thought we had a bunch of people in this thread that go to HLS?
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Jove posted:Yes. Every since I was in seventh grade and randomly picked up Gerry Spence's "How to Argue and Win Everytime" and read it voraciously. This is really dumb. On the other hand, HLS is one of 3 schools where you can actually do gainful nonlaw things so your mistake isn't too bad. E: OP - first listed reason under 'bad reasons to go' posted:"Everyone says I'm a good arguer." JudicialRestraints fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jun 3, 2010 |
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Incredulous Red posted:So for my externship, it's just me and some dude from Harvard working there. sup extern buddy. I just make sure I'm a little more dressed up than the average lawyer where I work. Also, I stay late because I enjoy my job and it's hard for me to drag myself away from the work. There's something about oppressing the disenfranchised that appeals to me. I probably should have been born british.
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Green Crayons posted:I was trying to imagine what would be a fun company to work in-house for as litigation counsel. I came up with Nintendo, Disney and Google, but then realized I never hear about them in any sort of lawsuit. This led me to wonder: Is that because they have awesome PR working 24/7 or is it because they actually really don't deal with lawsuits and employ in-house for pretty much only transactional capacities? That's funny, I've already had to read several cases involving Disney. They kinda sue everyone over thinking about Mickey Mouse without paying them.
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Maggie Fletcher posted:Santa Clara. I didn't realize it mattered. I mean, we're not talking T14, but we're also not talking Golden Gate. Please don't let my disdain for my legal education influence the school's reputation--it's a good school with a great administration and mostly great professors, it just wasn't my cup of tea. Also, I read the post of someone who made it through the first round, but I think s/he said the post didn't start for another year, so s/he probably couldn't give me much information. I'm sure it's insanely competitive, as is the entire legal profession at this point. Santa Clara is also barely T2. Hope you have good grades.
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Jun 4, 2010 05:01
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CaptainScraps posted:Today's lesson: I read everything given to me and research/respond to every court case cited outside of a 'statement of law' section.
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Jun 4, 2010 23:57
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CaptainScraps posted:What kind of court are you working for? I work civil defense for the State of Wisconsin. My job is basically to shut down the people who will later be defendants in one of your legal malpractice cases.
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Jun 5, 2010 00:09
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Mr. Fictitious posted:Hello I have missed the past 500 posts. What tragedies have befallen you all I just got a terrible grade. E-mailed the professor. He basically admitted that the curve was so tight it was random. Looks like I'm gonna end up working in Green County or something.
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Jun 5, 2010 23:50
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CaptainScraps posted:Roger. Welp, the summary judgment I wrote isn't going to be filed. I have no idea how the gently caress they think a jury is qualified to settle a loving lease interpretation (matter of law) That's funny, I got to look at porn today. I love government work.
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Jun 8, 2010 00:11
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GamingHyena posted:How are things at the SEC anyways? Nah, I'm just doing appellate 1st amendment civil rights law. On porn. I spent the evening looking through nude photos trying to determine what counted constitutionally as 'obscene.' Best. Job. Ever.
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Jun 8, 2010 04:00
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Ainsley McTree posted:Did you know it when you saw it? No actually, under the applicable code I had to search the pictures in question for 'visible signs of arousal.' Needless to say, these signs are not readily apparent and I had to investigate the pictures closely. Very closely. E: Just got my last non-writing grade. You know A+s? Apparently they do give those out. 
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Jun 8, 2010 13:13
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SWATJester posted:I got an A+ in copyright and attended class precisely twice. I had this happen to me this semester (I had huge attendance issues in the A+ class). I got a C+ in Criminal Procedure. I studied my rear end off for that class, read and briefed every case, had a great outline, and walked out of it feeling like a million bucks. The law Gods were angry.
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Jun 9, 2010 04:27
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J Miracle posted:I guess that's one explanation...it's certainly easy on the ego... What? That I'm a natural genius at Tort law but that i'm a retard at criminal law?
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J Miracle posted:Sorry man I was trying to be funny and it came off dickish. It's cool. I talked with the professor about the grade and he basically told me to quit caring so much about grades and that working for a firm was for idiots anyway so he was doing me a favor. It's hard to be angry at you when all of my anger is reserved for him.
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J Miracle posted:My professor in Professional Responsibility did this all the time, and gave us speeches about how we shouldn't just take the first firm that offers us a job but try to find one that cares about our professional development. The professor basically said that he got a C+ in lawschool too so it wasn't a big deal. He also never worked as a lawyer outside of the clinical/academic environment. Apparently my GPA is still pretty acceptable so I'm not making as big a deal about this as I should (administration basically told me to gently caress off too). I just kinda lost the roulette spin re: teachers. Oh well. Time to cross my fingers and hope that the next semester is acceptable.
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Jun 11, 2010 14:20
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Dallan Invictus posted:Any school for which a 164 is "well above average" is not worth going to. Way to ruin my dreams
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TyChan posted:Those are wise words even for T1 students. If you can find a good specialization, you help yourself stay employed or at least build up a solo practice that doesn't consist of terrible slip & fall claims. I've got a hearing on slip and fall summary judgment next week after doing witness prep at a maximum security prison. It's like staring into the future.
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Jun 18, 2010 03:20
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BigHead posted:Fun fact: I was chatting with a hiring partner at a very well regarded but lower-big sized firm about hiring out of clerkships, and she laughed at me. I was only talking to her because it was a party that the firm sponsored and my roommate got a +1 guest invitation, but I stared incredulously at her in response. "But what about State Supreme Court clerks and Fed'l Appellate Clerks? They don't have a chance?" Laughter. loving laughter. If you think the unemployed have a chance, you're so incredibly naive. Good. Those are our jobs. You had your chance.
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Jun 19, 2010 13:48
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Counterpoint: I love myself and my coworkers - the work is intellectually stimulating and fun if a little boring. Then again, I'm in the government.
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Jun 19, 2010 17:07
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Ainsley McTree posted:Assuming that you literally and completely are not a troll (and I'm not convinced you aren't), I have advice for you that I would never give to anyone else, and I mean it 100%, and not even out of spite on account of that I suspect you might be a troll, I offer this advice sincerely: I have a 'friend' who is a rapist and child molester (the girl he raped/tried to rape was 20) who is going to north eastern. On a scholarship. He also got a 142 on the LSAT but it's ok because he's Black. Have fun with taht.
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Jun 20, 2010 05:05
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Ainsley McTree posted:I find that surprising, because Northeastern is very strongly feminist. I was once vaguely accused of being a rapist on account of me having a penis This guy has nothing charged but I walked in on him sexually assaulting a girl and he pulled some chris hansen poo poo with a 13 year old. He may be a rapist pedophile but he's more qualified than you because of being a URM. P.s. I kinda wanna start a militia compound in rural montana, you in?
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Jun 20, 2010 05:14
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Ainsley McTree posted:I'll pass I think the goal is child soldiers anyway.
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lipstick thespian posted:What's the catch? You have to recognize my divinity and that the federal government is controlled by the antichrist through the federal reserve. Also, childbrides.
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Jun 20, 2010 13:03
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lipstick thespian posted:This is a luxury you most likely can't afford. Do you want to have a home? Do you want to eat? Do you want to keep those two things if something unexpected happens? The whole "become a plumber" advice is hardly new, and I doubt anyone has ever listened to it. It's understandable, because if you're considering going to law school you are almost guaranteed to be the sort of person who'd never even entertain the idea of doing anything that wasn't the purview of the commissar class. My goal is government work where my loans will be repaid and I will get a middle class income and good benefits for rewarding work. I will literally kill to achieve this. That said, I kinda really like law work (because I'm broken) and I'm doing pretty well at a pretty decent school for pretty cheap. I'm not looking to get rich, just to do all right for myself while practicing the law. Eventually I want to go into politics where the higher prestige of law helps. I am a special flower, but only insomuch as I like working fairly long hours, like legal work and consider 40-50k pretty good starting money.
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For those who haven't seen it: http://www.theonion.com/articles/elena-kagan-asked-straight-up-you-got-what-it-take,17636/ The Onion posted:WASHINGTON—Saying they didn't want to waste any more time dicking around, members of the U.S. Senate began Elena Kagan's Supreme Court confirmation hearing Monday by asking the solicitor general point-blank if she had the goods to join the nation's highest court. "I got your master's thesis in front of me, I got some speeches you made while you were the dean of Harvard Law School, but Kagan, let's cut the poo poo: You gonna be able to bring it or not?" Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) asked the former Clinton policy adviser. "Because the American people deserve a justice who won't crumble like a cupcake and run home to mommy when Second-Amendment-ruling time comes around." After indicating that she was "loving born ready," Kagan was confirmed in a unanimous 100-0 vote.
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Jun 22, 2010 00:53
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amishsexpot posted:Anyone else going to the Fordham Law "admitted students day" poo poo tomorrow? I'm probably going but would love to not go alone (also I don't want to die alone, dear god). Hey, I'm going to a slightly higher rated school than you in a much less saturated region than you for probably under half what you are going to school for. I am in the top 25% of my class and I've been toying with the idea of dropping out ever since getting this semester's grades. Fordham is a trap. Flee now.
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Jun 23, 2010 23:57
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Alaemon posted:I don't necessarily need them to be in one form or the other, but I agree that insane, angry prisoners make for the best pro pers. I defend against these. I just got put on notice that we are going to be sued for not providing a serial rapist with special shoes. He's already filed 3 motions for summary judgment. I love my job?
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Jun 29, 2010 06:50
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feedmegin posted:I'm not a lawyer but I was a history student, and calling the Corpus Iuris Civilis mediaeval seems a bit iffy to me, especially since it was formally codifying previous Roman practice. Hey remember when civil law was readopted as canonical law during the middle ages? Remember how canonical law eventually became adopted as civil law (rather than just covering religious prohibitions and heresy trials)? Remember how this process took a couple centuries? Remember how Roman Civil Law was not used for civil matters until this point with people instead relying on such time tested judicial decision-making apparatus as "trial by fire" and "trial by combat?" No you don't because you're a terrible history student and would make a terrible lawyer.
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Jun 30, 2010 01:37
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Scraps I've found the key is to keep a tally sheet with the various federal rules that your judge explicitly violates. Whenever one rule gets to 10 you get to buy yourself a bottle of booze. It's the system I've been working on with my supervising attorneys case in front of a magistrate judge. 403 and 608b went over the limit during the same hearing. I get two bottles!
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Jun 30, 2010 04:48
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OptimistPrime posted:Apparently firms only behave honorably when it fucks me over. If I recall correctly the judge excluded some evidence using 403. The Seventh Circuit has a series of rulings which explicitly allow evidence if it speaks to impaired or faulty memory of a witness no matter how prejudicial it is. I guess that isn't actually breaking the rule so much as the mandated interpretation of the rules but it's close enough for me. (Yes we have briefed the judge on this and talked to him about it. In pretrial he admitted we were right but now that we're in trial he appears to have spontaneously changed his mind).
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Y-Hat posted:On another forum I go to, I heard about how this thread is the most depressing thing ever, so I decided to pop in and take a look. I'm going to graduate school for public administration instead of law, and taking a class on law as an undergrad taught me two things. This is all wrong. You might be able to do the law but you can't do it 'well.' Getting an MPA and making GBS threads on a JD is like someone with a degree in finger-painting making fun of someone with an economics degree. As hosed as we are, you are much more schadenfreude worthy. Law is not common sense. In fact, a lot of the more interesting defenses are based off of using counter-intuitive but well established principles of common law to gently caress people over. Also, Cardozo is not worth admittance at any price. 3 years job experience selling your body on the street is more economically and intellectually valuable than a Cardozo JD.
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Lawschool update: Bids for a regional interviewing program are due Friday. Career Services has not given an updated class rank yet. Law reviews have not mentioned membership lists. I think I'm going to get lazied out of a job.
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fougera posted:I wish my grades were better. If it makes you feel any better I'm pretty sure none of the firms at OCI are actually hiring anyway.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:doctors are better than all lawyers including prosecutors deal with it. Doctor's are like lawyers but when they gently caress up someone dies. Their profession stopped being noble when Pfizer bought it. If I could get away with it I would do entirely medical malpractice simply because the current medical profession deserves to be bankrupted with tort suits.
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Jul 10, 2010 07:29
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BigHead posted:Chiropractors aren't doctors dude. I've never met a chiropractor that has killed someone? The medical profession is like any job, some people will go into it for altruistic reasons, but a significant number will be money grubbing assholes. Unethical/lazy/incompetent lawyers are also a huge problem which has rightfully tarnished our profession. I just find it hypocritical that doctors receive much more public respect despite the massive rates of medical error resulting in death (~195,000 a year http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php) Of course, there's also the fact that doctors are so cozily in bed with the pharmaceutical/insurance industry that health care coverage for the average American is a tragicomic third world affair. Again, I recognize that many doctors are hardworking caring people. I just don't give doctors the benefit of the doubt.
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in absentia posted:My roommate for the summer goes to Emory. The nicest thing I can say is that she's the most repulsive human being I know. I assume everyone at Emory is similar. How did 'loving all her friends go'
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Jul 11, 2010 02:57
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Career Services posted:Dear JudicialRestraints: Welp. Time to hit the bottle.
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Jul 15, 2010 00:22
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Oakdale posted:So I've decided to get a joint degree in Agricultural and Resource Economics in addition to a JD with a heavy focus on environmental policy, hopefully I can get a job at the EPA in 4 years. I'm still pretty depressed about my future though, don't worry! I just applied for the EPA. Their stated minimum hiring requirements involved top 20% of your class from a T30. Of course, that's what you need to avoid having your resume thrown in the trash. I doubt anyone below top 10% is even going to get an interview let alone an offer.
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entris posted:JudicialRestraints why would you agree with that non-attorney in the legal questions thread I can't in good faith encourage him to reverse that plea agreement but I thought it would be funny if he would actually go through with it. I figured a little ego padding to let him know he's smarter than all them lawyers with their book lurnin would do the trick and convince him to go to trial on the DUI. I'm expecting a trip report when he gets out of jail in 6 months.
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MoFauxHawk posted:There are still only three people in my class's Facebook group... Gunners spotted
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