Jew Bear posted:

My friend's hubby just transferred from Valpo to Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis (incoming 2L). From this thread, I gather that either means he's not totally boned or he'll be making $14/hr as a Costco clerk rather than $10/hr as a barista.

Also, how boned are you if you don't intern anywhere between 1L and 2L?

J Miracle posted:

(3) am president of an animal law group

Holland Oats posted:

The Brooklyn Ikea has an average 1 1/2 star review on Google so apparently it's an awful place.

CaptainScraps posted:

This year I'm just going to pop the cases into Westlaw and steal the headnotes.

jake1357 posted:

What about the rest of the materials in the casebook? The commentary and practice questions, etc

jake1357 posted:

Also, what do you do when you get called on in class and need to direct the professor to where your answer came from? "198 U.S. 215 at 221" isn't very helpful when the rest of the class is using a casebook with the page numbers edited out with an abridged version of the case.

Grammar Fascist posted:

I disagree with this (that textbooks aren't necessary because you can get all the needed info from Wikipedia/Westlaw/outlines/hornbooks). I know several professors who get very angry when it is obvious to them on an exam that students were relying on outside materials that weren't covered in class. That makes sense because it's basically telling the professor that he/she didn't do a good enough job teaching and left out important parts or was so confusing that you had to resort to other materials to make sense of it. I used lots of old outlines and hornbooks while making my outlines, but I always made sure I knew that it was actually something we talked about that I could have plausibly learned from listening in class.

Feces Starship posted:

I didn't disagree in almost anything else that you posted but this is just flat-out wrong unless you were like referring to what the platonic form of an exam answer would look like in a world free of the foibles and egos of professors. There were 80 people in my contracts class. I would say that once the exam rolled around 75 percent of them were able to rattle off that explanation you just gave while also cracking a 17th century hand-carved tumbler fire safe. Yet only 15% will get As, let alone the ever elusive A+ which is pretty much a myth of story and song at this point.

No, those grades are reserved for people that not only know the material cold but are also able and willing to form it in the style the individual professor will be amenable to on that particular day - and therein lies the rub, best I can tell. And that level of familiarity with the professor and the professor's preferred style can't tumble out of a hornbook, sadly.

I don't disagree that this is all a silly bullshit game, I just disagree regarding the level of preparation necessary to play it well.

Draile posted:

Why is the AMA good at protecting the interests of doctors but the ABA is actively out to ruin the legal profession

SWATJester posted:

And yet, the doctors still bitch about malpractice insurance costs.

SWATJester posted:

Notice how I said "Doctors bitch about" not "Doctors drive up". Insurance companies are scum, but they are scum in collusion with doctors.

Doctors can go ahead and suck a big fat dick any time they complain about insurance rates while they go ahead and bill the insurance company for $2000 for a 5 minute treatment that they can do in their sleep.

TheBestDeception posted:

Look at how wrong you are... the bar is terrible

SWATJester posted:

This.

It's the 3 months leading up to it, and the 4 months of not knowing your score after.

Ersatz posted:

BigHead is probably arriving at three months by including BarBri lectures and readings prior to crunch time. That part wasn't really soul crushing though, just mildly disturbing.

Tetrix posted:

you know when we actually talk about the law this thread kinda sucks

The Engibeard posted:

So an engineering undergrad thinking about going into patent/ intellectual property law is bad?

Anthropolis posted:

You had me at rural alaskan clerkship. I've got some phone interviews coming up so let me send you PM.

Paisano posted:

Cook/Dupage County, specifically. Really somewhere around the Chicago area.

Grammar Fascist posted:

I think Lexis has a lot more online stuff you can do to get points, and MUCH better actual rewards (gift cards and such). At my school Lexis also has a lot more trainings and things, so I think it just depends on the reps.

The best tip I figured out is to set up an alert on both Westlaw and Lexis to Shepardize/KeyCite some case every day, and e-mail yourself the result... you'll then automatically get the daily points for doing a search (often double points for Shepardizing/KeyCiting). I have a filter set up so the e-mails automatically get deleted every morning and I never have to see them, but I still get the points.

diospadre posted:

I used Lexis because their rep was far hotter than the Westlaw one.

Incredulous Red posted:

Wild Turkey pairs with everything

Jove posted:

Law School Trip Report:

WHY THE gently caress CAN'T I WRITE A LEGAL MEMO.

WHY.

WHY.

OH GOD IT HURTS.

Vander posted:

Civ 5 is out tomorrow morning. What disease can I fake that will get me out of school for a month? So far, I've got mono, leprosy, bubonic plague and lupus. Any ideas?

quote:

Dear Members of the Class of 2010,

[Bighead's personal info redacted]

In the meantime, I wanted to take a moment to update you on the [UMN] Law School's efforts to assist those of you who are still seeking permanent employment.

As all of you know, the market for entry-level positions remains very weak, not only here but across the country. The summer is a particularly slow period, even in ordinary years (in ordinary years we charge DOUBLE!), as many employers await bar exam results before addressing their hiring needs (which employers didn't hire during OCI again?). However, I am optimistic (thank god for your optimism) that hiring will pick up in the fall (it won't), assuming the economy does not slide back into recession (recession = $200k in debt with no job, I don't care what Wall Street says).

Last year, to assist members of the class of 2009, we created a post-JD fellowship program (THANK GOD just what I wanted). The Law School provided graduates without employment modest stipends (enough to pay our loans? I didn't think so) to work for judges, government agencies, and non-profit organizations. These fellowships provided recent graduates with work experience and networking opportunities (not jobs), not only in Minnesota, but around the country. For many (how many is "many"? 1? Almost all?) recipients, the program proved to be an important bridge to permanent employment (read = we assume you put it on your resume). We will run the same program again this year, starting in August and September (we were too lazy to start it earlier). If you are interested, please contact your career counselor for more information about the program.

We are taking a number of other steps. For example, [name redacted] in the Career Center reached outside our usual group of employers to over 80 small and medium sized firms and public service employers this past year ("reached out" =/ "got someone a loving job with," also why didn't you do this earlier you useless twats?), and we will expand that outreach effort significantly this year. We are adding another career counselor position (a job!) to the Career Center, to provide students and alumni with more individualized career counseling and assistance (thank god, I wanted more individualized unemployment assistance). We are seeking to establish (are too lazy to have already established)four VISTA attorney positions this fall - up from three last year (your big accomplishment is 1 part time lovely job?). The Career Center will continue its weekly job bulletin for recent graduates (which lists zero jobs), as well as individualized counseling services (read = unemployment collection services) and resume and cover letter review. If you are interviewing for a position (we doubt it), the Career Center would be happy to provide individual interview preparation. Further, the Law School will offer free CLE credits (!!!!!!!!) for recent graduates following the bar examination.

I spend much of my time talking to alumni(thank god you're "talking" and not acting), here and around the country. They know the extraordinary caliber of our graduates and want to help (but only zero of them are hiring). I will be working with our Board of Advisors this year to tap our alumni network more effectively (six times more effective than zero is still zero) in support of our recent graduates (gently caress next year's graduates). I have asked faculty to utilize their own networks to assist our graduates as well (I paid $200k to be a pity-TA).

For those of you still seeking employment, please be assured we will continue to work with you to help you reach your goals. (Help = "have optimism about," "will assist 1 of you," "modestly stipend you for poo poo work," "reaching out," "provide interview assistance," "keep you advised via bulletin of the zero jobs on a WEEKLY basis," "FREE CLES!!!!").

All best regards, (and thanks for the $200k each)

Dean Shitman.
Dean AND William S. Pattee Professor of Law

Lilosh posted:

I have a question for Mookie, or anyone who actually has a lawyer job (So probably only him)

My 1L research professor is making a big thing about THE BOOOOOOKS and how bosses will want us to use THE BOOOOOOOKS for research instead of wasting time and money by using electronic sources, specifically Westlaw/Lexis. (granted, He's mentioned how ungodly expensive westlaw can be)

Do big firms care? Or is it mostly solos and small firms that would rather you pore over the digests and indexes and USCA and poo poo?

Upon your answer depends how much I pay attention to his emphatic jumping up and down about THE BOOOOOOOKS

Totally Negro posted:

Dear Law Student Goons,

I have a friend who is interested in attending University of La Verve for Law here in southern california.

Now, given what I've read in this thread, I've basically told him that if he's not going to a top 13 school he's just throwing money away on a law education. It also seems like the job market here in california is much worse than it is elsewhere, but that's mostly observation so I don't know if it's true or not.

I guess what I am asking here is what do you guys think of the school and his ability to get a job after graduating with a degree from this place.

Honestly, I am not trolling here, but genuinely asking this question and looking for your tell-it-like-it-is assessment of his situation.

If you need any more information, my friend isn't dead-set on law, but thinks that this is just a fast ticket to getting a job and making "Da Big Buck$"

Totally Negro posted:

BigHead and diospadre, thanks for the answers. Really appreciate them.

BigHead I am just going to straight forward your post to him if you don't mind.

Since I am here, do any socal goons have advice for finding a job in the area? Reason I ask is because my brother is interested in law school, but smarter than your average bear (Lol he went to berkeley) and given that he goes to a school like UCBerk or Stanford, how hard is it really to find a decent paying job? We're not talking big money job here, but just any job?

BigHead, also, do you think this climate will change anytime in the near future, or is the field of law semi-permanently hosed (i.e. at least for the next few decades).

Incredulous Red posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pcVDmX4ho4

Abugadu posted:

Our former AG had an entire armory in his personal office (his family runs the gun stores), and went around with two investigator/bodyguards at all times.

The AG that won the subsequent election entered the office at 12:01 AM and changed the locks, since there were rumors of an impending armed standoff. Many people at the office called in sick that day.

Poop Faerie posted:

Poop Faerie posted:

Never mind, forget it. Honestly, I was coming here for a "I plan on going (or at least applying), please give me some guidance on these things" and it's going in a direction I don't want to. I understand why, I know I'm getting defensive and rambling to try to make y'all understand, but it's not what I'm looking for.

Thanks for the guidance.

nm posted:

Yay!
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prosecutorial-misconduct-20101005,0,6016828.story

Abugadu posted:

Fair prosecutors get hung out to dry and don't last in a judicial system bent on splitting babies and a political system encouraging a blind jihad against crime regardless of circumstances.