Ersatz posted:

Sour cream is an abomination. Tacochat continues.

Omerta posted:

Why is the 11th circuit always lowest on the Article III totem pole? Does nobody like Alabama/Georgia/Florida?

Aschlafly posted:

A day after the deadline, so I'm not terribly surprised.

Like I said, I'm having math withdrawal. I was actually accepted to awesome grad school programs for theoretical bio (Stanford, Berkeley, Davis, UCLA) and agreed to go to Berkeley before freaking the gently caress out, going into panic mode, and not communicating with anyone. Maybe law school failure is a sign that I ought to rebuild those burned bridges and give grad school another shot.

stingray1381 posted:

Very interesting. I lived my life mostly in the Midwest and those PD and ADA jobs start at $40-50K. I'm shocked there are state jobs that pay that much for someone just out of law school.

Gregor Samsa posted:

Yes, but I think its a studio in Harlem.

omgwtfnoway posted:

I always envisioned finishing my last 1L final as the happiest day of the year. I was wrong. I feel so empty now.

billion dollar bitch posted:

yeah, since apparently people don't interpret it in the limited way the case was actually decided.

But anyways, DONE WITH 1L YEAR so i'm gonna play mah computer for about ten hours.

GregNorc posted:

If you have any sort of technical degree, even stuff not related to IT (ex: any sort of of engineering, physics, math) Deloitte's consulting wing will pay you ~60+k/year to be a "Business Technology Analyst".

Of course, you'll be 100% travel (think George Clooney's character in 'Up In The Air') and 50-60 hour/week grinds, but if you're willing to have no life in order to save up money (or pay off undergrad debt) it's not too terrible... you can also leverage the name brand to get a decent salary job somewhere.

TyChan posted:

I prefer Taco Bell to Chipotle. Choptle makes me feel ripped off and the spices aren't very good whereas Taco Bell's offerings are at least at a decent price point.

By the way, if any of you Goons are in Charlottesville and want Mexican food, go to El Puerto. Any other place is overrated and overpriced.

nm posted:

Please don't put tex-mex and mexican food in the same sentence. Tacos do not have cheese dammit.

Moving further south: Papusas are also amazing

CaptainScraps posted:

Moving further south: penguins are pretty greasy.

J Miracle posted:

This has never come up for me but I always thought it sounded more believable if you were just all pissy about it and said something like "gently caress no you're not tearing up my car and getting my poo poo everywhere."

Tetrix posted:

done with 1L. everyone is going out to drink. i just want to sit here and do absolutely nothing.

jonmitz posted:

Did anyone here have a graduate degree in engineering (in my case, MS EE, 3.7+) and then go to law school? From what I understand, they are rare, and highly sought after.

I read the whole OP and nothing was mentioned about post-graduate degrees going to law school.

I'm trying to decide if I'd be happier working 9-5 in a cubicle designing a circuit or working 14 hour days...

diospadre posted:

Wow what a hard hitting look at the state of the legal profession, 5 T1 students who all have jobs.

TyChan posted:

From what I understood, and I might not be completely accurate about this, every school has their own "index" value that they will give to your GPA depending on which school you go to. I don't believe they ever discount you, but admissions offices will give you some degree of indulgence/credit if you get a 3.8 at Swarthmore majoring in a tough subject area instead of a 4.0 at some low-ranked undegraduate institution majoring in television. Otherwise, people would be advising you to go for "gut" majors and easy subjects to assure your passage into a good law school.

At the same time, Dr. Mantis Toboggan is ultimately correct in that the name of your school won't have nearly the same kind of pull that it would in the real world in other sectors of the economy. Just because everyone tells you the world bows to the feet of someone who graduated from an Ivy League undergraduate institution doesn't mean that's actually the case.

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Caughlin has $20,000 in debt, which she calls manageable. It means she can go to law school in the fall and not feel overburdened by debt.

The Warp posted:

quotison posted:

I decided to spend the $100 to use Examsoft for the upcoming NY bar. It looks to be a word processor that locks down your computer, that's pretty much it. The program only runs on Windows so you'll need to install Windows using Boot Camp if you're on a mac.

I've heard the same thing as Cormack - there aren't big difference pass rates between handwriting and laptop users. But I haven't handwritten a single exam in law school, I figure there's no reason to change that now.

TyChan posted:

I'm glad someone in his position is stating this and laying out that there are jobs you can do, but you might have to go on your own in a solo practice to pull them off. That in itself will probably drive a lot of people away from law school since it tends to attract some of the most passive-aggressive, risk-averse people on the planet.

CmdrSmirnoff posted:

I'm meeting the Communist Party of China tomorrow. Would it be bad form to beg for a job? I'm willing to run a WoW/Eve gold-farming operation if they'll let me.

William Munny posted:

Why is Cravath interviewing at UT? It this some sort of sick joke? Is it only for the top .000001%?

Incredulous Red posted:

I think it also involved tornados. Maybe I've found a way to sue God?!?

Stunt Rock posted:

I got put on a defendant's "hit list" in a custody case recently, along with the judge hearing the case. I'm closer to dying alone than any of the rest of you now

plester1 posted:

Don't forget the rapidly imploding biotech sector!

Hired Gun posted:

Also I'm reconsidering law school simply based on the people I met there. The biggest group of annoying, loudmouth douchebags I've ever seen. The fact that I fit in seamlessly with them is making me contemplate suicide.

methamphetamine posted:

These sorts of posts are really misleading and are doing a disservice to incoming 1Ls. I recognize the frustration that some people have by the fact that grading is not always perfect, that different classes carry different curves, and that going from a B+ to an A- or an A is an enormous amount of effort. Nonetheless, the general rule is that work, by that I mean LOTS of blood, sweat, and tears, will result in high grades. At most schools, everyone is pretty smart, so the only thing that really separates people out on the curve is the amount of effort people put in. I know a lot of the people at the top of the curve and they all work really hard. I also know people who are creepily smart who are below median because they don't work very hard. The point is, if you want good grades be prepared to work hard. Don't assume it's random or that you need some genetic lawyerly thinking trait to get good grades.

Tetrix posted:

Yeah got the final one today. On Wednesday I got my writing grade. It was not what I was expecting. I emailed the professor, and 3-4 hours later the grade was suddenly taken off the web. Anyways it was replaced today with a much better grade, so I've got them all. Apparently the wrong grades were put up for everyone and they were all taken down. My elective grade came out like May 25.

And I got pretty good grades, and I'm happy with them. I worked my rear end off, studied a lot, and literally bounced around 3 different study groups talking over civ pro practice exams. As much as all of you say it is arbitrary, I honestly got what I feel like I deserved (but that's because I am pretty happy with my grades). I'll shut up now because I don't want to give any hope to 0Ls. Law school isn't a whole lot of fun, and neither is researching issues for 8 hours a day like I'm doing in my summer job.

Ainsley McTree posted:

I wish there was a way to combine the lack of responsibility of being a nine-year old with the ability to buy booze of being a 21+ year old. I'd sail off on that boat

GamingHyena posted:

There's no question that the flood of law school grads is putting a massive downward pressure on wages for new attorneys. However, I'm wondering what the flood of law grads will do to the market for those of us who have actually been practicing for a few years. Since law grads have no practical skills and therefore worthless for anything beyond entry level positions, do they really have an effect on wages for 3+ year attorneys?

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Also, I plan to go out on my own (hopefully) within 5 years and have been honing my skillsets and networking to achieve this goal. As a future employer, wouldn't the apocalypse currently underway in the legal market be a huge benefit to me? I'm thinking by 2015 I should be able to hire a small army of unemployed law grads for minimum wage. They'll be like paralegals who can also do court appearances!*

*Not a troll, I'm actually serious about this.

10-8 posted:

Serious questions to whatever 0Ls are in the thread...

1. If you were shopping to buy a $100,000 house, would you: (a) take at face value the statements of the sellers, or (b) hire an independent inspector and appraiser to provide an outside assessment?

If the answer to #1 is (b), then:

2. Why are you willing to take at face value the statements of a law school that is trying to sell you a $100,000+ product?


I'm downright amazed at the number of people who enroll in law school because the school said they have a 90% employment rate or a stunning fashion law program or some other shiny object without actually asking if the school's statements are actually, ya know, true. I mean, do you guys not get that law school is basically a product that is packaged, marketed, and sold to you, with all of the hazards that usually go along with such things?

evilweasel posted:

this thread makes me sad there's not a good way for me to profit off the human misery it taps into

Mr. Fictitious posted:

Hey y'all what you been up to for the past 400 posts?

Grades-finally-came-in report: First term I briefed every case and attended every supplemental TA session and studied extensively before exams. Second term I didn't brief anything, skipped a bunch of the reading entirely, and outlined each class in the two days before the exam. Grades uniformly went up half a letter. Lawschool.

HiddenReplaced posted:

Over the last couple years I've befriended a Duke alum in the market I had been planning on going to (until I broke up with my gf). Monday the alum emails me asking me if I'm free for lunch on Wednesday, because they just had a partner meeting that day and decided they wanted to hire on some class of 2011 folks when they graduate. After lunch the alum directs me to the managing partner's office. Apparently they want to hire me when I graduate...

Hilarious.

J Miracle posted:

Got an interview with a federal judge for a fall externship! Getting the position would have to help the clerkship chances at least a little, right?