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Abugadu posted:lawl Sorry, Ainsley, but I really laughed when I read that post.
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May 7, 2010 07:47
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JudicialRestraints, what do you plan on doing after graduation?
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May 9, 2010 18:53
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billion dollar bitch posted:Well, I've decided not to do anything. But Feces, how are you saying "people will cheat will get theirs?" How will people get theirs if nothing happens? Snitches get stitches. I don't even see how this is a big issue or anything. More words isn't better than and if you get lower grades than someone who skimped on the margins chances are it's simply because your paper sucked and his didn't. If you do feel the need to go to the professor about the other people's papers, at least don't insult his intelligence by insinuating he isn't capable of picking up a nonexistent margin or weigh its implications on grading without your expert opinion.
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May 10, 2010 07:03
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This thread has pretty much become a running joke for me and some dudes in my class, like once a week or something someone says "did you read that law school thread on SA, did you hear there's a dude applying to starbucks now, hyuk hyuk hyuk" and it made me realize that when people I know talk about "thinking like a lawyer" they really mean surgically removing all traces of empathy and just replacing it with glee and schadenfreude. Well, that's when we aren't talking about our favorite pokemons.
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May 11, 2010 12:26
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Whoever thought grading on a curve wasn't a completely retarded idea to begin with?
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May 12, 2010 18:28
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I still have two weeks of finals prep to go before I'm done with this semester of law school. gently caress all of you.
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May 21, 2010 15:56
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JudicialRestraints posted:I just got a terrible grade. E-mailed the professor. He basically admitted that the curve was so tight it was random. WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE A "CURVE" WHY DO YOU RANDOMLY ASSIGN GRADES WHY ARE PROFESSORS SO SHAMELESSLY HONEST ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS A PRETENTIOUS loving FARCE Law school is the worst. I feel strongly about this and I don't even live in the US.
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Jun 7, 2010 03:23
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Toy posted:...also because they strive for a less competitive/cutthroat atmosphere, have an environmental advocacy center on campus that does good work, and is consistently rated as one of the top "environmental law" schools, for whatever that's worth. they also offer some sort of certificate along with your degree if you focus on env. law. drat, what are you waiting for? Run, Forrest, run towards your destiny!
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Jun 20, 2010 01:01
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The OP should just replace all the text with a huge, table-breaking blinking sign that just says "DO NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL. EVER. DON'T GO. DON'T. THAT MEANS YOU" and everytime an 0L posts you can just quote it.
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Jun 20, 2010 01:05
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toy posted:LT do you/did you go to law school Yes.
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Jun 20, 2010 01:05
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toy posted:could you expand on your impression of it plz because i don't recognize any of these other posters It's awesome, cool people, an above-average job market, the studies are actually interesting, BigLaw firms are still hiring, etc. That said I have to share desks with a polar bear.
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Jun 20, 2010 01:09
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Ainsley McTree posted:In conclusion, That is neither huge nor table breaking. 
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Jun 20, 2010 01:11
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If you can get recruited by Mossad and steal a swedish passport in some dastardly international assassination scheme I definitely recommend you to keep it afterwards and use it to go to law school. Otherwise? Send me the 100K and I'll spare you the trouble of burning them. 
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Jun 20, 2010 01:13
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toy posted:wait where u from? I'm actually from Sweden, so it's all pretty much free for me. Courses are in swedish and cover swedish law so I can't really recommend them to the prospective international student. Go to Harvard. With a 4.0 GPA and a 170 lsat you can retake it if necessary until you get in. It will still probably be a crap shoot wheter you actually make it to the point where you weren't just wasting your money (ie not shitlaw), especially if the job market keeps tanking, but at least you'll have a better chance than people like poor Ainsley 
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Jun 20, 2010 01:22
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toy posted:i realize that's what most of the establishment env. law jobs are, but do you think that's a necessary limitation? Sure. I mean, it worked for Erin Brokovitch, after all.
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Jun 20, 2010 01:27
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toy posted:also your conception of me is hilariously wrong. i am a poor, radical environmental activist and work as a barista. Go to law school, any law school, just as long as you let Ainsley have your old job.
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Jun 20, 2010 01:41
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JudicialRestraints posted:P.s. I kinda wanna start a militia compound in rural montana, you in? What's the catch?
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Jun 20, 2010 11:30
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JudicialRestraints posted:You have to recognize my divinity and that the federal government is controlled by the antichrist through the federal reserve. The former part I guess I can work on, the latter part is unequivocally true and has been known to everyone round here ever since Obama tattooed the numbers 666 under his hair. JudicialRestraints posted:Also, childbrides. Careful, my ephebophilia is flaring up...  Edit: I would of course claim the position of the camp's swedish chef. Tasty meatballs for everyone! lipstick thespian fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jun 20, 2010 |
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Jun 20, 2010 14:53
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Honestly given the legions of unemployed TT and TTT grads aren't we due to see some sort of crazy white collar doomsday cult or armed militia consisting of the dregs of humanity (unemployed lawyers) formed any day now. Or at least some dude finally snapping and robbing a bank or something.
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Jun 20, 2010 14:55
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ManiacClown posted:lipstick thespian, would it be theoretically possible for someone with an American JD to come to Sweden and practice there? If so, how would that work? I'm not sure. Getting a work permit in Sweden is far easier than getting one in the US (far, far easier, no lotteries involved, all you need is an employer). After that, getting a residence permit is a matter of staying for a sufficiently long time and learning the language (though you will definitely be able to survive just fine in Sweden on only english skills seeing as swedes are generally very good at english). With that said I have no idea wheter there'd be any demand in the legal job market for someone with a JD from the US. It would obviously depend on the firm and its clients, I suppose, but the ones handling international contracts and so on probably wouldn't give you the time of the day if you weren't from a T14. If you can make it, however, prepare to get babied by the socialist nanny state until the day you die. I hope you like the idea of giving up all your  freedoms (including the freedom to go bankrupt due to medical bills or the freedom to pay huge amounts of tuition to go to college).
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Jun 20, 2010 15:02
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Will2Powa posted:I just want to ask some questions as I might possibly be interested in law school except the whole "law school is expensive as gently caress and there are no jobs" aspect makes me kind of on the fence on that(more like on the other side of it.) I've put the conditional that if I can't get into a T14, I just wasn't meant to be a lawyer. But if even that doesn't guarantee a career, I figure I would be better off not trying. I honestly believe that the US legal market coming back in a big way would be predicated on a reversal of the trends to 1) outsource work, 2) employ temps in larger and larger capacities. Given that both (and, in a more domestic context, especially the latter) are hugely profitable, I have a hard time imagining it happening. The fact that people are being enticed to go to law school in much larger numbers than there are positions right now means that any sort of upwards pressure on wages and benefits is very unlikely. There'll be a ton of starving TT and TTT grads (possibly even T14 grads) in the near future if this keeps up, and with a ton of people eager to fill the same positions you're not looking at a very cheery picture for trying to recoup your student loans. As far as international jobs go (in the sense of international biglaw), I wouldn't imagine there's a very bright job market there either unless you are at the absolute top of your class from a top of the line school. Not something to bank your hopes on (but I could be wrong). If your prime interest lies in making money and minimizing the chance of you ending up a bitter hobo with a worthless skillset, become a welder or something. You statistically stand a MUCH better chance of making very decent money doing that, and in case you're shooting for your own McMansion, I honestly wouldn't be suprised if becoming a welder and opening your own company didn't give you somewhat comparable chances of living the american dream as going to law school would. I think the choice is clear unless you really want to practice law out of the sheer enjoyment or the social status that goes with being a lawyer in america is something that has an incalculably large importance to you.
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Jun 20, 2010 19:27
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Dallan Invictus posted:Still, if you have three years between now and a potential law school, and you make it into a good enough school, and you actually want to be a lawyer (which is the ONLY reason to go to law school even in the best of times), then sure, job prospects will probably be better in six years time after all of us unemployed grads have starved to death. I'd say this is predicated on everyone from the current crop of TT/TTT's starving to death and people suddenly stopping going to law school. Given that the serious sea change in the legal industry coincides with a serious sea change for the american middle class in general, it's hard to tell wheter this will happen. Given that median wages for the most of the population remains stagnant while fixed costs have been steadily rising, pressures to "make it big" (so as to insulate onseself from accidents, sickness or job loss resulting in serious personal economic disasters) rise. Law school has traditionally been seen as a way to become filthy rich off of Biglaw's teat, and it's unsure wheter that will actually change to the point where schools like Cardozo and Seton Hall can no longer entice gullible people to sink six figures into a worthless education. Unless that changes, or unless the feds deal out a ringing blow against law school accreditation for the TTT's, you might very well end up with more hungry law school grads in the future, not less. Right now, law schools (and for-profit education in general) is a hugely profitable business. Obviously legal services can't all be exported the way manufacturing can be (and has been). Some have been, and that outsourcing may grow in the future with negative effects on the job market. The jobs that remain are of course victims to the ravages of supply and demand. If there's a high supply of bodies looking to fill the positions, downward pressures on wages and benefits become a lot more likely (as well as simply transforming previously normal positions to "permatemp" ones). This is obviously further compounded by the lack of unionization in the field as far as the US is concerned. I honestly don't think the job market will be better in the near future. That's not the same thing as saying that the economy itself and revenues for law firms won't pick up (they might very well do so), but these revenue increases do not a priori have to go to the associates and temps- not unless there's some sort of pressure to do so. I remember seeing a chart that displayed that the median american's productivity (I don't know how this was measured, however) had steadily risen since the seventies while median wages had completely stagnated. If true it's obviously something that shows that banking your future as a law grad simply on the economy picking up is probably not a good idea. Keep in mind that if you have significant student loan debt and the only work you can find is doc review or something that pays about 40K a year without benefits, you WILL go into personal bankruptcy if you get sick for an extended period of time. This got really long and gay so here's a tl;dr: don't go to law school. You will die bitter and alone from your heart shrivelling up into a black ball of hate and misery as you're restocking the appliances section of walmart. lipstick thespian fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jun 20, 2010 |
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Ganon posted:Why do you know so much about the US I have aspergers (self-diagnosed of course  ).
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Jun 20, 2010 20:47
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Roger_Mudd posted:I'm not sure why a massive increase in lawyers doesn't = a massive increase in lawsuits. Economically it should be so cheap to bring a suit that many more suits will be brought. Because lawyers need lawsuits. This requires a client, and it also (if the lawyer wants to eat) requires a client with money and a will to spend that money on attorney fees for lawsuits, frivolous or not. Why would it be cheap to bring suits, exactly? Even if you go pro se, getting smacked with paying for the opposite side's attorney fees can completely ruin your economy and possibly even force you into bankruptcy. I'm not sure you've thought this through.
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Jun 20, 2010 22:28
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Will2Powa posted:[...] prestige definitely wins out over wealth for me [...] This is a luxury you most likely can't afford. Do you want to have a home? Do you want to eat? Do you want to keep those two things if something unexpected happens? The whole "become a plumber" advice is hardly new, and I doubt anyone has ever listened to it. It's understandable, because if you're considering going to law school you are almost guaranteed to be the sort of person who'd never even entertain the idea of doing anything that wasn't the purview of the commissar class. I think the sooner you square with the fact that you will likely never be an unique butterfly, the sooner you can get out of academia (or at least, the sort that doesn't pretty much GUARANTEE you a decent paycheck that offsets your student loans). Right now, the opportunities for decent, secure employment in the US are getting scarcer, given the wage stagnation and rapid growth of nonflexible (healthcare/insurance/rent) costs of living. Suck it up, realize the odds are stacked against you as far as joining the HENRY club is concerned, and make the best of the situation. At this point, that probably doesn't involve going to college, and certainly not something that's not in incredibly high demand while mysteriously being completely unattractive to the student body at large. Like, uh, nursing? Of course, hearing it from people who already go to law school might not sound convincing. That said, most of the people who do go and post in this thread are either retarded and completely aware of this fact (im looking at you JudicialRestraints), too far down the rabbit hole to make anything decent with their lives, or stuck in socialist hellholes straight outta Orwell where tax and spend eurocrats force people to go to college for free and then rob them of the joy of paying their own medical bills. lipstick thespian fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jun 21, 2010 |
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Jun 21, 2010 02:04
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On a somewhat similar note, this is seriously going to be the life of a couple of people in this thread a few years from now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VeyN8HnHWs
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Jun 21, 2010 02:06
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Roger_Mudd posted:Your assumption is that all clients with valid suits are currently being represented and thus a lower price wouldn't increase the "suit pool". I think there are plenty of suits (meritorious or not) left on the table because of price. No. I'm sure a lot of people have valid suits and then don't find it in them to bring it to court. And that is exactly the problem. Lower prices might very well increase the amount of suits brought to bear, but given that we do not like in a market with perfect information, a lot of people don't know or care about their possibilities of winning regardless of the merit of their potential case (or the cost of their potential attorney). As such, they don't sue. Information inadequacies in markets is some serious 101 stuff. If you want to keep your analysis of what's happening on the most basic level possible, you should probably incorporate it into your model.
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Jun 21, 2010 16:14
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Mookie posted:Helpful tip: a fellow lawyer at my firm is dating a plumber (or an electrician, I forget... either way a skilled trade). To add insult to injury, he probably works like 3/4ths or half the hours she works as well.
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Jun 21, 2010 20:58
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Just got my grades back. 0.5 points away from the highest grade.  gently caress. MY. LIFE. gently caress IT. I AM UNDONE.  
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Jun 25, 2010 11:09
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As of late the recurring nightmares I have are either being back in primary school or finding out there's an unscheduled IP/bankruptcy/torts final coming up tomorrow even though its summer and the semester hasn't even started yet and I don't have any books so I wake up thrashing in my sheets thinking "but maybe if I buy a lot of gatorade and hope for the best" in a panicked daze for like five minutes until I realize where I am and who I am and then the rest of the day is ruined as the adrenaline passes out of my system. Law school.
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Jul 22, 2010 20:22
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TyChan posted:Are businesses really slow and inefficient if the activity that is causing them to bleed money is illegal and ignores long-standing legal rights meant to protect the generation of that content? The fact that an activity is illegal de lege lata is not on its own an argument to the effect that it should be illegal or wrong on some moral plane. I always find natural rights arguments here pretty overplayed. Perhaps this is coming from a system where the idea doesn't have much traction. Given the nonexclusivity of information, any construction of ownership over a piece of music is by necessity going to look different than ownership of a specific car. Enforcing possession of something nonexclusive is obviously going to have to be done through some form of legislation. The question of wheter that legislation exists is different from wheter it should exist. Calls of "BUT THAT'S ILLEGAL" are just kind of white noise. Pretty much every youtube video contains a bunch of copyright infringements and are thus illegal. The fact that nobody cares can either be a cause of worry or a good thing depending on your perspective but pointing out the illegality of it all is obviously not the same as pointing out that it is considered wrong.
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Jul 22, 2010 20:43
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Petey posted:From an old helldump thread: What happened to Randbrick anyway? lipstick thespian fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jul 22, 2010 |
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Jul 22, 2010 20:44
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Petey posted:He wrote a couple articles for CAP and WM and I think he's still in law school but I don't know. He was the finest of our generation. Tonight I'm going to pour a 40 out on the windowsill in memory of the helldump that once was. Rest in peace, Goons.txt
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Jul 22, 2010 20:52
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Green Crayons posted:I get paid in peanuts. No real room for advancement. Firm I work for is pressuring hard on staff's billable and collectable goals, but since our major trial in Jan/Feb work has been pretty sparse. Additionally, and most importantly, having seen what litigation attorneys actually do on a daily basis and feeling that I would enjoy the legal world from that position rather than from the outside/periphery looking in, I'm hoping that: You know, even though this is probably still an Objectively Dumb Decision at least you're not a self-admitted lib arts major who's going class of 2013 because he needs to do something and he knows things are bad but that doesn't matter because the bad things will magically only happen to other people. Also, Petey, do you still have a link to Goons.txt. I tried googling but only found Goons.doc. It's just not the same, surely you understand.
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Jul 22, 2010 22:36
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So, how do you get into legal academia in the US?
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Jul 23, 2010 18:59
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Opened my mail and apparently my application for student aid/loans for this semester has been denied. The worst part is that it's because of a stupid technicality with how law school finals work, that they SHOULD be aware of and that I even explicitly told them about in the application. All this really means is I will have to call them and explain to them AGAIN how the system works, but it's still annoying. Maybe it's time to vote Ron Paul and cast off the shackles of well-meaning but misguided bureaocracy once and for all.
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Jul 25, 2010 01:43
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BigHead posted:According to my favorite blog, not just law schools but undergrads also do this as a huge money maker. The ol' bait and switch for scholarships. Yeah. I don't pay tuition so this is strictly loans for CoL. Law school in Uppsala only has one final per semester, rather than one final for torts and one for IP and so on. As a result, there's a need to be able to postpone doing the final (if, say, you feel you could get better grades doing so) and still be able to continue with the next semesters. It's just that it's the only school in Sweden that functions in that way, which obviously causes problems. It'll all be cleared up with a phonecall, but...
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Jul 25, 2010 13:39
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billion dollar bitch posted:Why are you voting for Ron Paul? I thought you were some sort of Scandinavian. The freedom train might have slowed down but it's still on track. 
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gently caress this poo poo. I thought fixing this student loan hiccup would be easy. Instead I have to call five different people, talk to my school, and have a bunch of retarded drivel bounced at me like "maybe you could ask your school to schedule an exam just for you on short notice?" and then, after two days, finally I arrive at a person who goes "The only problem was that the people you talked to earlier were dumb/ignorant. Here, let me just press this magic button that'll deposit the money straight into your account." All this trouble and stress over a measly technicality that by rights everyone at the student loan office SHOULD have been aware of (its right there in their internal manual). I can't even avoid the stress of law school over the goddamn summer.
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