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What are the worst reasons to join the military?

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My Name Is Jonas posted:

Anyone seen the subtitled Hitler clip about Maintainers? It has Hitler going on about how much Barksdale sucks, etc etc? I can't find a link anywhere for it.

This'n?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nginHVeaMSc

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hammeredspace posted:

Got a supplement that contains DHEA. I understand it's a type of steroid. As ever I can never get a straight loving answer out of Google whether or not this stuff turns up on piss tests or is even outright prohibited. Anybody got the goods on this crap?

As a prohormone, it's only going to be trouble if you're taking ludicrous amounts and it's causing a testosterone imbalance. How much is in your supplement?

Science:

At doses of 50, 100, and 150 mg/ day, subject 1 had T/E [testosterone/epitestosterone] ratios >6. A ratio exceeding 6:1 is used by a number of organizations, including the IOC and the US military, as an indication that additional studies are required to rule out the exogenous use of physiological steroids.

http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/45/2/295

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hammeredspace posted:

It's a patch; doesn't list the absolute amount of the stuff. But essentially I'd have to be literally packed with this DHEA for it to give me any grief, right?

edit: For interest, here's the whole list.

Fucus vesiculosis, 5-HTP, Guarana, Garcinia cambogia, Zinc pyruvate, DHEA, Yerba Mate, Flaxseed Oil, Lecithin, L-Caritine, Zinc Citrate

That patch sounds like some serious snake oil. Especially if it's not listing the dosage of any of the ingredients. None of those things are absorbed well transdermally, so you're probably getting barely any DHEA anyways; you'd be better off finding an oral supplement if you want something useful.


I typed this up as an addendum to my previous science so I'm going to post it anyway:

Testosterone, Your Pee, and You

When the male body reaches hormonal maturity, your glands start pooping out testosterone and its cousin epitestosterone at the same rate and ratio.

Products on the market today meant to boost testosterone do not affect epitestosterone production, and so a pee test can check your T/E ratio to see if your testosterone levels are natural (meaning ~1:1) or you've been artificially enhancing your T levels (which would imbalance you to >2:1).

I don't believe there's any well-studied method to increase epitestosterone production to maintain the ratio.

So the only reason to worry would be if you're taking retarded amounts of DHEA, which would then produce an imbalanced result, and the testing folks would ask you what the hell. If you really like the product and want to continue taking it, get a doctor involved so he/she can prescribe a suitable dosage and then you get the protection of, "My levels are whack because of a prescription, not injecting horse semen into my eyeball."

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hammeredspace posted:

Yeah, my hopes aren't high for this patch thing, but then again I couldn't find any reviews that weren't obviously advertisements for the product itself, so I kind of consider myself a test subject for it. I'm losing weight fine; just figure an extra boost here and there can't hurt.

It's interesting you say that those ingredients aren't absorbed well through the skin because that's this thing's main pitch: that oral supplements get destroyed and degraded by digestion, whereas the patch supplies directly to the bloodstream.

Oh well. If it's not gonna hurt me, what's the harm in trying it for a month? Already paid for it.

Just be aware of any side effects or sensitivity at the application site. Even medications that are designed to cross the dermal barrier in patch form (stop-smoking aids, birth control, etc.) are loaded the gently caress down with product because such a comparatively small amount actually makes it through to the bloodstream, so itching, rashes, and increased risk of clotting from huge bursts of hormones are all dangers. Which means that your patches are either loaded the gently caress down with imprecise quantities of herbal extracts or there's more glue than benefit.

Oddly enough, this destruction and degradation of oral supplements is what some people call "digestion," which is also a good way to get vitamins/minerals/fats/etc. into your system. Quality supplements are coated/capsuled to survive digestive acids and degrade further down the line where their contents can be absorbed (like the enteric coated aspirin your grandad takes so his tummy doesn't get upset).

And that is your Goons In Platoons Guide to Herbal Supplementation.

Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

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On that note, what's the best rate/MOS for someone who really wants to stop being an encyclopedic nerd? I hear 88M requires minimal brain power...

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I don't mean completely mind-numbing, though the handful of SF I've met so far have been total sperglords and one taught me how to play WH40K...

Though 68R sounds very tempting:

quote:

As an important member of the veterinary servicing team, the Veterinary Food Inspection Specialist, under the direction of a Veterinary Corps Officer, inspects food designed for human consumption, while also supervising food inspection and combined veterinary service activities.

Other Requirements

* Normal color vision required
* Possession of normal olfactory senses (good sense of smell)


I dunno, is it weird to want to go completely and utterly blue collar in the military after being a professional nerdlinger?

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Epiphyte posted:

In regular English, this translates to digging through offal at a slaughterhouse, looking for tuberculosis nodes

I did an internship with the USDA, and I met many a sad veteran who left the service, only perform the exact same task in the civilian world. On the plus side, you will gain a deep and abiding respect for Tejano music.

Oh dear god.

That is why I am blindly groping around on this forum for ideas - overthinking the enlistment process to try to find a slot that doesn't involve overthinking. Though I think the bottom-rung line may be drawn at "digging through offal."

Edit: DOES A CAV SCOUT GET A CAPE

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Slippery posted:

Speaking of blue collar/trade --

The USAF has a civil engineering AFSC called power production ("power pro")

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforceenlistedjobs/a/afjob3e0x2.htm


Also a ton of other poo poo. I've met a few power pro folks and they all seem to love it, and they all say it sets them up well for work on the outside, making decent money.

That sounds AWESOME. Though the most I know about the AF right now is all the force-shaping and sperging for the Lord. If I walked into a recruiter's office and said I WANT TO BE A POWER PRO would I have to wait in line?

Now I'm torn between that and joining Navy as a different rate and reclassing to MUSE later on. Navy was my first choice. Swabbing poop decks and all.

Oh, and:

hammeredspace posted:

What's the word on yohimbe and yohimbine? Anyone pissing hot on those?

I am tearing up your GNC card bro. Yohimbine will piss off your heart and liver faster than it will burn significant quantities of fat, especially if you're already maintaining a healthy % through diet and exercise. And if you're taking it in combination with any other stimulants, it will exponentially increase their effects with unpredictable results on the cardiac/circulatory/nervous systems.

Though if you're using it for its erectile benefits I won't judge you.

As far as peeing in cups goes, it's a non-amphetamine alkaloid so you shouldn't trigger any alerts.

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Feb 5, 2010

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This is amazing...

Applicant's debts were discharged under Chapter 7 of the Bankruptcy Code in December 1999. His statement of reasons (SOR) listed 18 debts totaling $20,025. He disputed three debts and 15 debts totaling $18,293 are not resolved. Applicant stole telephone services, made a false sworn statement to a criminal investigator, forged a lieutenant colonel's signature, falsified a security clearance application, lied to a Defense Security Service (DSS) special agent, and used cocaine while holding a security clearance. Financial considerations and personal conduct concerns are not mitigated. Eligibility for access to classified information is denied.


Applicant engaged in sexual behavior which showed a lack of judgment and could subject him to coercion. Sufficient mitigation has not been shown. Clearance is denied.

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Puberty posted:

Suppose I want to form the most accurate imaginary picture of military life without actually having to shoot anyone or get a bullet in my own asscheek - what film depictions do you find most accurate?

Of course you cannot know how accurately a movie portrayed the fighting conditions in the jungles of Vietnam, but I'm sure you can offer how accurate they are at depicting the military culture, the attitudes of soldiers, the hardships. Also, in the case of television or movies about contemporary wars (gulf war, iraq, afghanistan) how accurate are they about potreying what it's like in those regions?


Basically - which films would you consider most true to the military experience, and in what sense?


Also - how good are modern video games (CAll of Duty!) are capturing the experience of real combat? (minus the actual fear, pain, blood and lack of respawning)

:smith:

These kinds of questions make me sad. My current work puts me in touch with a lot of returning OIF/OEF vets who have issues readjusting to civilian life. One of their primary complaints is that they come home and their friends and family think they "get it" because they watched a movie/show/miniseries about the war or totes sniped some Hadjis in CoD.

These guys/gals finally get to the point in therapy where they feel like they can share what they saw with people close to them, and they get slapped in the face with, "HAY I TOTALLY SAW THAT IN JARHEAD AND IT DIDN'T SEEM TOO BAD SO YOU'RE JUST WHINING NOW."

There's no point in trying to find an "authentic" media representation of the war(s). If you want authenticity, get over there. Sitting and watching something about the war doesn't make it any more real for you and you will not understand it.

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Shameless.

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Rrail posted:

So a company sent me this in an e-mail after I applied for a position with their company....


If I may answer as a veteran of the corporate world:

Companies/corporations with a ridiculous amount of applicants and sweet-rear end jobs will generally offer something very similar to what you received. It's called a Contingent Offer, meaning that it's like Step 1 of the process - we're interested in you as long as you meet all these contingencies. Signing what you posted is not binding at all, as evidenced by the slippery-as-gently caress (Sorry, Slippery) language. "I confirm my intention to become employed" is a fancy way of saying, "Yes, I'm still seriously interested, please send me on to the next step of the process."

Add that to the mention of at-will employment, the warnings of working conditions and expectations, and all the other terms you have to meet to actually be employed, and the letter boils down to them just checking to make sure you weren't shotgunning your resume all over the place and you have actual interest in working for Archimedes. There is zero language in there barring you from applying to other jobs.

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A little curious about your big red title now.

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Feb 5, 2010

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I think Reggie finally lost it...

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FooGoo posted:

Two part question:

I have two VA claims that were rejected that I want reevaluated. Do I have to somehow appeal their decision or can I just refile the claims? One of them they categorized as "muscular strain" when I'm pretty sure it's a spinal/bone issue if that matters.

Try to a appeal whenever possible. If you're seeking disability pay, any back pay would be based on the original claim date, which would reset if you were to simply refile. Any additional evidence could be presented with your appeal.

FooGoo posted:

Secondly, is there a dept. in the VA hospital that can help me with my claim? Forget the DAV, the dude that helped me the first time apparently thought he was an armchair doctor instead of just helping me with the paperwork, not to mention generally rude.

Look to see if there's a Vet Center or a CVSO in your area. If you're willing to be more specific with where you are I could help you look. Otherwise check out those sites and find your nearest big city; you can usually call one close by and speak with a claims specialist.

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Tony Montana posted:

Want to recommend me the book that'll set it all straight?

Have you tried Generation Kill by Evan Wright?



Serious answer: check out the book thread in this forum somewhere. TV and movies will always dramatize for maximum effect; books can get away with being boringly accurate.

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Somebody go into this thread and make some magic happen.


Tactical Grace posted:

I've been thinking of joining the military for a while now. I have struggled to get into university for 2 years longer than normal but I made it into a journalism degree this year. Now I'm in, I'm really not enjoying it and will probably be dropping out because I'm terrible with dedication and meeting deadlines, which is why it took me so long to get here in the first place. I am intelligent but I have this avoidance problem where instead of handing in a essay late or badly written and getting a reduced mark, I'd rather ignore it entirely and pretend it doesn't exist.

I am thinking of re-applying but part of me thinks that the whole reason that I got here in the first place was just to prove to people that I could and I'm really not cut out for it.

Basically I want to join the army because I can't hack uni and I want a secure career in something. I also think the army could teach me some self discipline. I have enough UCAS points (school points) to apply for officers training. How incredibly naive is this idea?

Handlebar Mustache posted:

You really shouldn't join the army, you're either going to be directly occupying a country or helping your government occupy the country, and both of those is far more damaging to other people than robbing a bank or something like that.

Car Stranger posted:

If you want to deal with the mental torment of killing people as part of wars you probably (being an apparently intelligent journalism student) oppose, I couldn't think of a better vocation.

Purgey posted:

is the UK military also where society dumps off its useless chaff?

im just curious if its anything like the USA, where only sociopathic, drunk lazy fuckups join to kill arabs and chug energy drinks until they step on a landmine or some poo poo

GirlBones posted:

Don't join the army unless you want to be a murderer and an imperialist stooge. Just because you hosed up your life doesn't mean you ought to grab a gun and gently caress up other people's lives too. Man up and learn how to make something of yourself without running away.

And the greatest quote:

Your Mans and Them posted:

I can't speak for the British forces, but if it is anything like the United States Army, I say go for it. All the money you would be spending on rent and healthcare can get you booze at prices that would make your head spin. It's good training.

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Oh I know you got there first and tried, but it's just a nice project for a quiet Wednesday afternoon.

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BrandonGK posted:

I'm not worried about being drafted, I just want to know if I forgetting to notify them about getting a change of a address will hurt me if I tried to get a student loan or something.

Student loan applications just ask if you registered for Selective Service when you turned 18. They give no fucks if you updated your address.

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bengy81 posted:

So one of the "special" kids on my ship is getting the boot, and more than likely getting a general discharge, and he has been asking about how this is going to affect his ability to get employment. Anybody have any clue about this? I am under the impression that you don't have to disclose your discharge from the military, but I can't say that I have given the issue much thought myself.

Yeah, unless he's going for federal work (and maybe not even then), most civilian employers don't bother asking about discharge status. He can just be nice and vague on his resume about his time in service and only the saltiest of HR professionals will take the time to inquire.

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