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Could one of you enthusiasts give me a quick breakdown on the significant differences between the SD4000IS and the SD1400IS? Obviously there is price and MP (I realize it's essentially insignificant.) The most significant thing to me seems to be the low-light performance of the SD4000IS is superior to the 1400. One question I have is I noticed the high fstop on the 1400 is 5.9 vs only 5.3 on the 4000. Will this result in better performance by the 1400 in very bright situations? I live in the desert and the sun is absolutely brutal, so good performance in extremely bright situations would almost be preferable to good low-light performance. SD4000 http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-SD4000IS-Digital-Optical/dp/tech-data/B003L77Y5S/ref=de_a_smtd SD1400 http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-SD1400IS-Stabilized-Black/dp/tech-data/B0035FZJJ4/ref=de_a_smtd
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greasyhands posted:Could one of you enthusiasts give me a quick breakdown on the significant differences between the SD4000IS and the SD1400IS? Obviously there is price and MP (I realize it's essentially insignificant.)
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spf3million posted:The most popular ones seem to be the SD1x00IS lineup. Right not the SD1200IS is $150, SD1300IS is $180, and the SD $1400IS is $220. These are your standard, go-to, simple pocket cameras. My problem with this series is that the dynamic range still kind-of sucks. I am looking for something that won't nuke the highlights and completely burn the shadows. With the SD1200IS the contrasts tend to be somewhat extreme. I'm guessing the best P&S for high-contrast scenes would be the S90 or G11 because of the better sensors and RAW capabilities. Could anyone confirm?
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Just throwing this out there in case it can be of any help to others trying to make a decision. Since all the cameras I was seriously considering have at least one (potentially) glaring flaw for my personal taste, I decided to buy a bunch, test them out, and return all but one. As a way to be more thorough in my efforts, and potentially help anyone interested, let me know if there are any specific questions you might have - things you want me to test out and the like. I'm by no means a professional, so I'm sure on my own I could easily miss something that might be a deal breaker for others. Anyways, the 4 I have coming to me are: Canon S90 Canon SD1400 Panasonic Lumix ZS7 Casio Exilim FH100 I should have them on Tuesday, and all next weekend I will actually be at a local music festival (Friday night outside, indoors the rest of the weekend), so I figure that will be a good place to try some things out and see there limitations. So hey, request some specifics if you'd like and I'll do my best to get some test shots for you all.
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Jul 12, 2010 02:51
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On newegg.com, promo code EMCYVZP77 is good for a $50 discount on the Canon S90. That takes the price down to $300 + $3 for shipping. I just pulled the trigger and ordered one. Now I'm looking foward to not having to lug my DSLR around at beer festivals.
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Mannequin posted:My problem with this series is that the dynamic range still kind-of sucks. I am looking for something that won't nuke the highlights and completely burn the shadows. With the SD1200IS the contrasts tend to be somewhat extreme. I'm guessing the best P&S for high-contrast scenes would be the S90 or G11 because of the better sensors and RAW capabilities. Could anyone confirm? S90 and G11 actually use the same sensor but different controls and lenses. According to Dpreview S90 has less zoom but F/2.0-4.9 (but says F8 in my camera) lenses while the G11 allows you to plug in an external speedlite with more tele. Even with the S90 the highlights can get blown easily with AV-mode and tuning things down by a 1/3 EV is a common occurrence. I think the potential in these higher end point and shoot is to shoot in RAW and then post process them unlike other Point and shoots.
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I want the Samsung EX1/TL500. A fast lens even when zoomed in (f/1.8-2.4), S90-sized sensor and lots of controls. The S90 can only go to about 45mm at f/2.8 and then it slows down considerably past that.
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I just bought a Canon S90 after years of hating what my cheap point and shoot gave me (and after dropping and breaking said cheap point and shoot on a museum floor). I've always been interested in photo composition, but this is the first time I've had anything that could really be considered a decent camera. I've read up on all the functions, but have basically zero actual experience outside of just telling the camera to do macro or auto or whatever... feeling like I'm in a bit over my head right now.
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drat Your Eyes! posted:I just bought a Canon S90 after years of hating what my cheap point and shoot gave me (and after dropping and breaking said cheap point and shoot on a museum floor). I've always been interested in photo composition, but this is the first time I've had anything that could really be considered a decent camera. I've read up on all the functions, but have basically zero actual experience outside of just telling the camera to do macro or auto or whatever... feeling like I'm in a bit over my head right now. Are you feeling out of your head technically, or artistically? If it is the first - leave the camera on auto and go shooting. When you find a technical limitation, then that is when you read up and learn how to solve it by changing the settings. If it is the second - a good idea is to look at someone's work that you like and try to replicate it. e.g. if you a series of photos of firehydrants that looks good - go out and try to make one of your own. First time around, you are copying the other guy's work - but hopefully it will lead onto your own creativity and the second time will be your own work.
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caberham posted:S90 and G11 actually use the same sensor but different controls and lenses. According to Dpreview S90 has less zoom but F/2.0-4.9 (but says F8 in my camera) lenses while the G11 allows you to plug in an external speedlite with more tele. Wow, that is an eye-opener. Thanks. I guess we need to get better lights. I use the SD1200IS at work most of the time. It's not my preferred choice but at the same time it saves me from potentially damaging my own dSLR (in the hustle and bustle of things), and the IQ is sufficient for what we do. The only problem is the excessive Photoshop work that is involved in really evening out the exposure. The camera sees a white seamless background and wants to underexpose. So I have to set the camera's EV to overexpose. For the first shot in the series below, I usually have to overexpose to 1 & 2/3 stops, which is nuts. I have to be careful not to blowout the metal parts that are usually bright and shiny, also.  Click here for the full 767x2048 image. For close-up metal shots (like pictures 2-5) I have to underexpose so as not to blowout the highlights, but that means getting very dark wood which then has to be lightened separately in Photoshop. It's a real pain. In the end, though, it works so no one really sees the need to spend thousands of dollars on a better setup.
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quote:Are you feeling out of your head technically, or artistically? Thanks  My issues are pretty much technical-- for years now I've been getting frustrated when the awesome shot I see just doesn't translate in terms of color/light/shadow. I've just played with the camera for a bit shooting around my room, and I really notice a difference already. There's been a shot or two where I'm completely baffled as to why it focused the way it did, but I'll keep reading.
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If I want the following feauteres: - RAW shooting - Fast lens - Low light performance - External flash compatibility - Manual control What would be the recommended camera?
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What's the budget? Also what's the biggest size you're prepared to deal with?
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evil_bunnY posted:What's the budget? Small enough so security does not think I am a photog. Budget around $600.
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LuisX posted:Small enough so security does not think I am a photog. Probably an LX3.
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LX3, G11, that new Samsung. If you can do a little more, probably an M4/3 with the 20mm f/1.7, and a NEX whenever Sony puts out a prime that makes sense.
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I'm torn between a few cameras at the moment. I'm leaving to go on a year long road trip down to south america next month. I'm bringing along my 7D and 3 lenses but a lot of the time I really enjoy the connivence of a P&S for quick snapshots. I enjoy making short films and video diaries and I plan for the 7D to be the main camera but having a second point and shoot capable of recording alternate angles at the same time would be nice. Ideally I'd like 720p video recording, half way descent lens 2.8 max apature or better in a fairly small format. Here's the kicker though, we're likely going to be on a sailboat for a couple of weeks at some point and spending time at beaches, riding through rain, etc. I'd really like the point and shoot to be waterproof so that I don't have to bury it inside luggage (I can just keep it in a cargo pocket on me at all times.) I'm currently looking at the Olympus Stylus Tough 8000, Panasonic DMC-TS2, and the Pentax Optio W90. The W90 is the cheapest but not as waterproof/shockproof as the other two and lacks image stabilization. The Panasonic is the current front runner for me but I thought I'd see what other people thought here. Ideally I'd get something like a SD1400IS or an s90 but the cost of those plus even a cheap housing are pretty high and the housing wouldn't fit in a pants pocket and would take up additional space when the camera wasn't in it. Also here's an underwater video of the Panasonic that I enjoyed: http://blog.adhack.com/2010/04/21/octopus-steals-panasonic-lumix-dmc-ts2-crowdsourcing/
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LX5 is coming out soon, and it appears to address many concerns with the LX3.
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Rated PG-34 posted:LX5 is coming out soon, and it appears to address many concerns with the LX3. Does it have a built-in lens cap?
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mathaeis posted:So hey, request some specifics if you'd like and I'll do my best to get some test shots for you all. I'm very close to buying the Casio Exilim FH100. How did it rate in your 4 camera super test? I am especially interested in the low light and zoom qualities.
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I'm looking for a camera that can shoot underwater to give my GF for her birthday. I am well aware of the D10, but are there any other good underwater P&Ss?
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kmcormick9 posted:I'm looking for a camera that can shoot underwater to give my GF for her birthday. I am well aware of the D10, but are there any other good underwater P&Ss? I'm looking at these right now and I'm likely going to pick up the Panasonic DMC-TS2, smaller size and I've liked the sample shots and video I've seen from it.
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spog posted:Does it have a built-in lens cap? Doesn't look like it. There's a scroll wheel and other niceties though.
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Jul 27, 2010 21:51
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The S90 is coming up on a year old now, have there been any rumblings about a replacement model?
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I really want an s90 because carrying around my xti is such a pain in the rear end. However, I've been really looking at getting a ricoh gr digital so now I'm kind of torn between the two. I don't know what it is, but I have this strange fascination with the ricoh.
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RoflcopterPilot posted:I really want an s90 because carrying around my xti is such a pain in the rear end. However, I've been really looking at getting a ricoh gr digital so now I'm kind of torn between the two. I don't know what it is, but I have this strange fascination with the ricoh. Check out the Samsung EX1. It has the best lens among point and shoots to date. It's not a superzoom, but it should be serviceable with a rough equivalent of a 17-50 on your XTi. It's funny to say it, but it's actually a faster lens than anything zoom you can get for a regular DSLR because like I said, it's roughly equivalent to 17-50 on an APS-C sensor, but it's f/1.8-2.4 which would be fast prime territory on APS-C or full frame.
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HPL posted:Check out the Samsung EX1. It has the best lens among point and shoots to date. It's not a superzoom, but it should be serviceable with a rough equivalent of a 17-50 on your XTi. It's funny to say it, but it's actually a faster lens than anything zoom you can get for a regular DSLR because like I said, it's roughly equivalent to 17-50 on an APS-C sensor, but it's f/1.8-2.4 which would be fast prime territory on APS-C or full frame. Interesting. I will definitely be looking into this now. Thanks a lot for the info!
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qirex posted:The S90 is coming up on a year old now, have there been any rumblings about a replacement model? CanonRumors has had a bit of rumors on it. Mid July: "S95 Same as the G12, with some ergonomic changes." - No earlier than September. Recent rumors: "S90 I was just told the S90 has officially reached EOL (End of Life)." and "S90 A few more confirmations of the S90 not appearing on new pricing lists in a few countries."
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HPL posted:Check out the Samsung EX1. It has the best lens among point and shoots to date. It's not a superzoom, but it should be serviceable with a rough equivalent of a 17-50 on your XTi. It's funny to say it, but it's actually a faster lens than anything zoom you can get for a regular DSLR because like I said, it's roughly equivalent to 17-50 on an APS-C sensor, but it's f/1.8-2.4 which would be fast prime territory on APS-C or full frame. That's the one with dedicated shutter speed and aperture wheels right?
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Greybone posted:What are they replacing it with? Read my post?
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The one killer feature of Samsungs is the fact that they can charge by USB, I've never really been impressed by their pictures though. That said I was reading reviews of the EX1 and why are camera reviewers so clueless about what people want to see? 3 pages of daytime city shots and 100% ISO crop comparisons and not a single picture taken indoors in dim lighting.
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qirex posted:That said I was reading reviews of the EX1 and why are camera reviewers so clueless about what people want to see? 3 pages of daytime city shots and 100% ISO crop comparisons and not a single picture taken indoors in dim lighting. i believe the term is 'anorak'
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qirex posted:The one killer feature of Samsungs is the fact that they can charge by USB, I've never really been impressed by their pictures though. That said I was reading reviews of the EX1 and why are camera reviewers so clueless about what people want to see? 3 pages of daytime city shots and 100% ISO crop comparisons and not a single picture taken indoors in dim lighting. The only time I've seen an appropriate review for a low light camera was when Engadget reviewed the D3S, odd as that sounds. The reviewer went and shot a boxing match and a concert with it.
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Yeah but a D3s review focused on low light can be summed up by "everything else is worse" so eh.
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evil_bunnY posted:Yeah but a D3s review focused on low light can be summed up by "everything else is worse" so eh. True, but at least the reviewer did something that actually taxed the D3S as opposed to taking a shot of a bridge in broad daylight.
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qirex posted:That said I was reading reviews of the EX1 and why are camera reviewers so clueless about what people want to see? 3 pages of daytime city shots and 100% ISO crop comparisons and not a single picture taken indoors in dim lighting. Which is unfortunate, because being "the camera guy" in the family, low light/dim lighting always comes up in questions people ask me when buying cameras. I'm trying out a friend's Canon SX210, and had it with me around some family members last weekend, and a couple were looking to replace their 3-5 year old cameras. I had to explain a couple of times that I was considering it because it had a big zoom and it probably wasn't going to work as well in the situations they wanted versus a camera with a smaller zoom and lower MP. The problem is, the SX 210 is so drat small when it's off and does take decent pictures and panoramas, that everybody was impressed. I was going crazy trying to explain that it probably wasn't what they'd want at a birthday party or whatever. We want a new camera for hiking, and a zoom makes sense for us.
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