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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Discendo Vox posted:

That is, all else aside, perhaps the most incredible power move I have ever heard.

It would have been, except both of the reviews were very similar, I only gotten told my delivery times were slightly above the average. which may have something to do with the fact that my manager insists we park as far from the entrance of stores as possible, and then walk everything through parking lots. Or the fact when you go to a hotel shipping dock, it's not as simple as getting it out of your van and setting the package down. of course most people bypass all this by not following protocol as to when they arrive or depart,.so guess who's doing that now 🙂

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Hutla
Jun 5, 2004

It's mechanical

Alkydere posted:

So originally at Amazon yards, the transportation team handled check in/out.

Then someone had the brilliant idea to outsource all that work to call centers in India and make the guard posts "automated". This involved kicking the people who know the building/yard and what's going on out of the position to fix poo poo before some angry driver stops us in the yard. It also meant, at least with our building, the contract with our security contractors had to be expanded so that they sat in the box and made sure no one did anything especially stupid.



So security's expanded contract is up and we're back to having transportation people doze off in the guard shack.

Alkydere, these video guard shacks are the bane of my existence. I work at a 3PL that handles transportation for a non-inventory vendor for Amazon and the amount of times the video guard has declared that "there is no such thing as non-inventory" or sent a truck to a holding area and just abandoned them entirely is shocking.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Hutla posted:

Alkydere, these video guard shacks are the bane of my existence. I work at a 3PL that handles transportation for a non-inventory vendor for Amazon and the amount of times the video guard has declared that "there is no such thing as non-inventory" or sent a truck to a holding area and just abandoned them entirely is shocking.

As a TOM team member, I ENTIRELY loving AGREE!

Just the other night I had a driver approach me because the trailer he backed up to had been marked as defective. Enters the number in front of me and his app goes "THIS IS DEFECTIVE! Get assistance?" I ask my boss what's going on because this trailer is on an outbound dock door: we tend to avoid putting defectives there as that means shipments are late when drivers reject them. Inbound? Yeah we want what's in that trailer so move it unless it looks like it's gonna kill someone. Outbound? We try to avoid loading up a trailer that can't leave the yard.

Anyways, boss tells me it needed new registration paperwork and that it was taken care of a few hours ago. I go over and check and sure enough: freshly printed paperwork in the drybox. I ask the driver for the phone since they've been arguing with person on the phone.

"Hey, I'm one of the yard workers here and I just checked the trailer. It's fine: it just needed new registration paperwork. It has new registration paperwork. It's been marked as fixed on our end. How do we get the system to stop being slow and update it so the driver can take the fixed trailer out?"

*Obviously memorized babbling about following proper procedures full of circular instructions obviously written by an Indian business major and translated to English*

The driver just started laughing as he watched me pull his phone away from my ear and stare at it like it had transformed into a snake in my hand. "She knows nothing." The driver tells me. "None of them know anything."

Anyways, about 30 minutes later the driver managed to somehow finagle himself into getting assigned an entirely un-hosed trailer and was smiling as I got stuck hooking up to the trailer to move it: outbound dock needed the door to load more shipments. Boss had to escalate twice more while I sat there to make the system register the defect had been fixed.

Edit 1:
I hear stories about the olden days before a couple years ago when we could manage everything ourselves. Now we can only do it in an emergency and which means we're not staffed or practiced for it but it's still better than letting someone on the literal other side of the world manage our yard.

Edit 2:
Also I don't know about your sites but at my normal sites the Non Inventory are guaranteed to be the worst maintained shitboxes that aren't Intermodals.

Alkydere fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 30, 2024

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Got my review today.

"Exceeds expectations"

I immediately informed my manager I was considering applying for the open AM position at another location in the district.

PitViper
May 25, 2003

Welcome and thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart!
I love you!
Our company recently outsourced all of our inbound customer calls to call centers in the Philippines and someplace in South America, and considering that most of our customers expect us to actually know poo poo about gently caress, it hasn't gone terribly well. They can (mostly) manage to schedule appointments for us, but that is the extent of their abilities. Any questions (such as "are you open?" or "is my order delivered?") get immediately cold-transferred to our phone at the store, where we start from scratch because we have no clue who you are or what you were talking about with the call center.

Worth noting that such questions, such as order status, are listed in the app that both we and the call center folks use. But I get at least one call a day asking if an order that's marked "not received" is in, and if I could please verify. As soon as it's received at the store, it immediately changed the status to "Received" and emails the customer.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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So more information on the guardshack status at my Amazon FC yard.

The contract with our security company to extend their coverage to the guardshacks ended Monday because everything was supposed to be rolled out by then. It clearly hasn't been so they're not covering it. My manager talked with their managers and found out that as of NEXT Monday they might (might) be able to extend coverage to ONE of the two guard shacks. Maybe. Us trailer jockeys will have to cover the other one until the project finally finishes (if it ever does).

Everything is so absolutely stupid at times.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

PitViper posted:

Our company recently outsourced all of our inbound customer calls to call centers in the Philippines and someplace in South America, and considering that most of our customers expect us to actually know poo poo about gently caress, it hasn't gone terribly well. They can (mostly) manage to schedule appointments for us, but that is the extent of their abilities. Any questions (such as "are you open?" or "is my order delivered?") get immediately cold-transferred to our phone at the store, where we start from scratch because we have no clue who you are or what you were talking about with the call center.

Worth noting that such questions, such as order status, are listed in the app that both we and the call center folks use. But I get at least one call a day asking if an order that's marked "not received" is in, and if I could please verify. As soon as it's received at the store, it immediately changed the status to "Received" and emails the customer.

But just think, they can save 70% labor costs per person outsourcing. Think of the shareholders.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
Cold transfers are the enemy of both the customer and the person at the end of them. They don't even benefit the person doing them that much. They must be destroyed.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Fil5000 posted:

Cold transfers are the enemy of both the customer and the person at the end of them. They don't even benefit the person doing them that much. They must be destroyed.

There is. benefit to the person doing the cold transfer. It makes the call someone else's problem.

Other than that, :hmmyes:

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

mllaneza posted:

There is. benefit to the person doing the cold transfer. It makes the call someone else's problem.

Other than that, :hmmyes:

When I worked in a call centre, one of my friends had to do a presentation to a small group about the challenges of working in a call centre. They started by throwing a can of coke to one of the other people in the group, having them introduce themselves and then throw it to another person. After the can had done the rounds of the ten or so people there she asked the last person to open the can. Naturally they didn't want to, and this served as a helpful metaphor for call transfers.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Fil5000 posted:

When I worked in a call centre, one of my friends had to do a presentation to a small group about the challenges of working in a call centre. They started by throwing a can of coke to one of the other people in the group, having them introduce themselves and then throw it to another person. After the can had done the rounds of the ten or so people there she asked the last person to open the can. Naturally they didn't want to, and this served as a helpful metaphor for call transfers.

that's fuckin' awesome

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.

Fil5000 posted:

When I worked in a call centre, one of my friends had to do a presentation to a small group about the challenges of working in a call centre. They started by throwing a can of coke to one of the other people in the group, having them introduce themselves and then throw it to another person. After the can had done the rounds of the ten or so people there she asked the last person to open the can. Naturally they didn't want to, and this served as a helpful metaphor for call transfers.

I'd take it to my boss, who has been present for none of this, and offer them a can of coke.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Coasterphreak posted:

I'd take it to my boss, who has been present for none of this, and offer them a can of coke.

And that's why you would be promoted

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.

Fil5000 posted:

And that's why you would be promoted

I meant after I had caught it and refused to open it

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Fil5000 posted:

When I worked in a call centre, one of my friends had to do a presentation to a small group about the challenges of working in a call centre. They started by throwing a can of coke to one of the other people in the group, having them introduce themselves and then throw it to another person. After the can had done the rounds of the ten or so people there she asked the last person to open the can. Naturally they didn't want to, and this served as a helpful metaphor for call transfers.

lmao

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
I made a lot of bad transfers in my first six months of jockeying a phone for the IRS. Now that I'm trained in one of the applications for basic tax law, which doesn't have a direct line and requires a transfer, I have since learned about bullshit call transfers that could have been handled by the last person.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Coasterphreak posted:

I meant after I had caught it and refused to open it

No, I understood, I choose to assume it would be like when Bart used the paint mixer thing to shake up that can of Duff and it landed Homer in the hospital. You'd have ended your boss and therefore been handed his job.

Lord Awkward
Feb 16, 2012
You keep what you kill

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
To the person who ordered 125 60 pound bags of cement 20 minutes before the store closes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQGAzMsTuA8

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
They really need to put restrictions on the order system. I thought it was ridiculous that someone could make a big order at 6 pm to be picked up at 6 am the next day while I'm still trying to finish stuff that was ordered earlier but I don't think people should be allowed to order over 7.2k pounds of cement 20 minutes before store closing to be picked up THAT NIGHT. The guy didn't show up before we closed so I couldn't get a chance to laugh in his face over the order.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Customer last night apparently decided it would be funny to try and flush what looked like an entire meal's worth of food and a used sanitary towel down the disabled toilet and I've never wanted to psychically disembowel someone more.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Leal posted:

They really need to put restrictions on the order system. I thought it was ridiculous that someone could make a big order at 6 pm to be picked up at 6 am the next day while I'm still trying to finish stuff that was ordered earlier but I don't think people should be allowed to order over 7.2k pounds of cement 20 minutes before store closing to be picked up THAT NIGHT. The guy didn't show up before we closed so I couldn't get a chance to laugh in his face over the order.

Our order system gives us a minimum two hours(rounded up) from when it's ordered to when it must be packed. So if someone ordered at 5:10pm and we close at 6pm, open at 6am, it'd have a packing deadline of 8am, meaning that desperately hosed orders like that could be left for the morning crew.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
we have some stores that are closed weekends, but can still have orders input for first thing pickup Monday morning. always a treat there. you'd think the system would flag it or at least send it elsewhere to be run and then delivered asap Monday but...nope!

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Fil5000 posted:

Cold transfers are the enemy of both the customer and the person at the end of them. They don't even benefit the person doing them that much. They must be destroyed.

If it’s a sales rep cold transfers are a huge benefit in that you get immediately to the next call/sales opportunity.

I am no longer in the call center, but I was very guilty of this. Although I did try to make sure the customer I was transferring knew what to ask for in terms of whatever they called about (“tell them you need to have a ticket filed to fix your promotion” or whatever).

Not perfect, but if I spent that much time every day warm transferring every call I would never hit numbers, so what can you do.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Yesterday was payday and with the significantly higher hourly I was impressed with what I made for like 5 or 6 days of work. Well I seemed to have pissed someone off cause I only work 1 day next week and 2 days the following 2 weeks. I accept this job was part time but like.. a single day?

Leal fucked around with this message at 02:47 on May 5, 2024

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
A cashier sold a box of chairs for the price of one chair, I guess the box had its own UPC on it that was just the same UPC as the ones on the chairs. A friend of the person this was sold to came back with the receipt and wanted the rest of our boxes of chairs for the same price

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

Leal posted:

A cashier sold a box of chairs for the price of one chair, I guess the box had its own UPC on it that was just the same UPC as the ones on the chairs. A friend of the person this was sold to came back with the receipt and wanted the rest of our boxes of chairs for the same price

total power move

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
Hopefully you asked him to take a seat while you talked to your manager and pointed him to a box.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Leal posted:

A cashier sold a box of chairs for the price of one chair, I guess the box had its own UPC on it that was just the same UPC as the ones on the chairs. A friend of the person this was sold to came back with the receipt and wanted the rest of our boxes of chairs for the same price

How sure are you that the cashier isn't also a friend of the person in question

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Leal posted:

A cashier sold a box of chairs for the price of one chair, I guess the box had its own UPC on it that was just the same UPC as the ones on the chairs. A friend of the person this was sold to came back with the receipt and wanted the rest of our boxes of chairs for the same price

This is why we can't have nice things

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
reminds me of when a friend of mine went to a local aquarium store and they were unpacking a shipment. he saw a stack of aquatic plants and asked the price: was told $15. he said he wanted it. so the employee, who was probably new, grabbed up the stack, not realizing it was like 10 plants strapped together, bagged, tagged, and sold it to him.

my friend KNEW it was priced per plant. like, dude, this is a family owned store, not a corporate pet shop.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



The last two nights both inbound and outbound docks have been doing their best to drive us yard jockeys up the wall.

Inbound dock has two modes:
1) "We have a reactive due on this door! We need you to break causality and already have it on this door!"
2) "Okay we opened the trailer and looked inside. BUUUUT we're not going to unload it right now. Please put it in a parking slip just so someone can bring it back later."

Meanwhile, Outbound dock keeps queuing up moves with damaged trailers. Yes if it's yellow tagged we can move it in the yard, but that means it's not road safe/legal. We can put the tagged trailer on the outbound door but if the driver has half a brain they're going to reject the load. Especially if it's something obvious like a missing mudflap.

This lead to the following chain of events at the end of the shift tonight:
-Outbound puts a request for a trailer about an hour before EOS/its due time out.
-I call out "Hey, this trailer is tagged. It shows on my device, and I know it shows in your programs that it's tagged. Stop asking us to give you damaged trailers on your doors."
-Move is cancelled.
-Inbound does their usual bullshit and drops a bunch of trailer moves at end of shift, something both docks does and has been told time and time again to not do.
-They're all moves of still loaded trailers
-Outbound puts in an actually valid move. But it's at the bottom of the queue
-Oh hey, it's half an hour before end of shift. That means it's shift change and all of us are post-tripping out of our vehicles so the next shift can come in.
-Outbound calls, basically begging us to get that trailer on the door before they have to cancel it and get in trouble for missing a deadline.
-Us yard drivers look at each other and laugh. Not our problem anymore.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Leal posted:

A cashier sold a box of chairs for the price of one chair, I guess the box had its own UPC on it that was just the same UPC as the ones on the chairs. A friend of the person this was sold to came back with the receipt and wanted the rest of our boxes of chairs for the same price

Hopefully they were told to eat poo poo and stay out of the store.

Fifty Farts
Dec 23, 2013

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I have a "customer gets product for much cheaper than it should be" story! It didn't happen to me directly, but the owner of the health food store I used to work at (before the new owner took over and things went to poo poo for me) once told me about when she ordered saffron from the bulk spice distributor. Everything they sell except saffron is priced per pound (saffron is per ounce). She didn't read the invoice carefully enough and priced an ounce of saffron much much lower than what it should have been. Someone came in, saw the price, immediately bought the entire stock, and that's when she realized her mistake.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
edit: wrong thread. Fuckin Awful app

Fifty Farts
Dec 23, 2013

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It's rummage sale season, which means we get a lot of donations that are just loads of stuff that didn't sell at the rummage sale. So much of it is broken/too worn out to sell (we have a sign that says we accept "gently used" stuff, but we also don't have time to look through every black garbage bag or sealed box as it comes out of the back of some dude's truck, so sometimes we get surprised when we get to the sorting). Or it's stuff we get practically every day, like coffee mugs, water bottles, picture frames, and James Patterson books. There's never a shortage of those.

I don't mean to sound like I'm not grateful for donations, because that's my job (for most of the day), and that's how we get things to sell in the store. It's just... think about what you're giving and ask yourself "if I saw this on a shelf in a store, in this exact condition, would I buy it?" A little dirty or dusty is fine (we'll clean stuff up, test electric/electronic stuff*, keep matching dishes together, etc.), but some people like to use our store to offload broken garbage. We have 2 dumpsters out back for regular trash (non-recyclable, non-metal, non-furniture - those all have their own dumpsters) and they get emptied 3 times a week.

Anyway, today I had a lady donate a regular rummage sale leftovers/"just cleaned out a house" load (clothes, miscellaneous tools, buckets and pots and gardening stuff, coffeemaker, toaster, dishes, and so on). At the very end, underneath everything else, she had a coffee table. There were no legs. Luckily, I had the backroom manager with me. She's got a pretty good Midwestern "y'know, so I says to him I says" kind of accent, which you should read her lines in.

Manager: "Where are the legs for that?"
Lady, surprised: "I don't have the legs."
"Then I'm sorry, but we can't take that."
"Well, why not?"
"Because it doesn't have any legs. We can't sell that."
"You can't sell this? You won't fix it?"
"No, we get so many coffee tables and cocktail tables and stuff that are complete, you know, with the legs and everything, that the furniture guys don't wanna take anything like this."
"Oh, fine."

She angrily shoved the thing back into her truck, hit the "close door" button as hard as she could (admittedly not as satisfying as slamming the thing would have been), and didn't respond when I said "Thank you, have a good day!" And then we saw her driving around to the store, so my manager thought that she was going in to complain. We didn't hear anything about it, though, so they might have just been going to shop at the store (or the director told her "no, we don't want a coffee table without any legs").





*This is an especially fun job when the video game stuff gets too backlogged, because I get "stuck" with the job of hooking up consoles to the largest flatscreen tv I can find in the store (which does early consoles no favors) and making sure they work. I have to do this by playing, or at least starting up, a game. If a Xbox One starts trying to install something, I cancel it and quit out, assuming that things are working the way they should (side note: if you can, please delete your pictures, videos, and maybe also your profile before you donate your console to be sold to a random stranger). About a month ago, I recruited a coworker to "help me test something" and we played Wii Bowling. The assistant manager came in, saw what we were doing, and said "I want to play too!" Then another coworker came in to see what all the noise was about, so he got pulled into playing as well.

Fifty Farts fucked around with this message at 01:43 on May 10, 2024

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
Man, I feel bad about the fact that sometimes I put clothes in a clothes recycling bin that are a bit past their best, I can't imagine having the lack of shame in giving what amounts to a plank of wood to a charity store.

Fifty Farts
Dec 23, 2013

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Fil5000 posted:

Man, I feel bad about the fact that sometimes I put clothes in a clothes recycling bin that are a bit past their best, I can't imagine having the lack of shame in giving what amounts to a plank of wood to a charity store.

We've had people get mad that we won't take their scrap wood or metal, too. If your answer to "what's this for?" is "I dunno, I just need to get rid of it," then maybe just bring it to the junkyard/dump instead of trying to donate it to a thrift store.

That said, don't ever feel bad about donating anything that's still in usable condition, even if it's past its prime. Like I said in my last post, we clean stuff up before we sell it, but that can only go so far. Also, we don't wash clothes before we sell them, otherwise we'd have a bank of washers and dryers running all day.

If the place that has that clothes bin is anything like my store, the clothes will find their way to someone who needs them. :) In our case, if something doesn't get priced and sent out to the floor (because it's stained, ripped, missing buttons or zippers, or has something like "Washington School Science Fair 1997 Participant" on it), we pack it into 1200-pound bales. When we have 35 or so bales, another place up in Canada buys them from us and sends a trailer to pick them up (last time, we had 43,000-ish pounds of clothes on a 44,000 pound capacity trailer, and we still had 4 bales left over that wouldn't fit). They sort through the clothes and send them to people in need around the world (I think mostly Africa in our case), or recycle them into rags and insulation.

Fifty Farts fucked around with this message at 19:06 on May 10, 2024

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Staffing levels at work are getting so bad that the closing manager last night was "hand on the timeclock" close to just walking out. We were down to just 3 people after 10pm with no signs of customers slowing down and higher ups not budging at all on letting us do anything to ease the load like turning off deliveries. Something's going to snap here at some point because 2 of our 4 regular closing crew are already no-showing multiple shifts a week.

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Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
Even sending clothes to developing countries needs to be done carefully. In a lot of places clothes are still made using small scale household labor, and it's often the main source of income for poor women. Flooding the market with cheap or free clothes can easily drive them into either slavery or starvation. Even if it didn't disrupt local economies like this, sending poor Africans your crap helps much less then just taking what it costs to ship it and distributing that amount as cash aid.

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