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Ferrous Wheel
Aug 18, 2007

"This is not only a security risk but we occasionally get pigeons roosting in the space as a result."
Okay, so I'm looking to downsize in both wattage and weight from my ValveKing 112. Even though I'm going smaller, I still want decent clean headroom since the plan is to get my OD from pedals. I play mostly single coils (strat copies, Epi Casino) and use a bridge humbucker for more defined distorted stuff. I play all kinds of music so versatility is good but I'm not concerned with emulating any particular sound. I just want an amp that has 15-30 watts of largely clean headroom and takes pedals well.

I've considered the Egnater Tweaker 15 combo and the Jet City JCA2112 (I've since heard that the Jet City specializes in early breakup) as well as various stuff like VHT, old Traynor and Sunn, even Carvin.

Looking to spend maybe $500-$600. Thoughts?

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Professorbx
Jan 27, 2005
Wicki Wicki

Ferrous Wheel posted:

Okay, so I'm looking to downsize in both wattage and weight from my ValveKing 112. Even though I'm going smaller, I still want decent clean headroom since the plan is to get my OD from pedals. I play mostly single coils (strat copies, Epi Casino) and use a bridge humbucker for more defined distorted stuff. I play all kinds of music so versatility is good but I'm not concerned with emulating any particular sound. I just want an amp that has 15-30 watts of largely clean headroom and takes pedals well.

I've considered the Egnater Tweaker 15 combo and the Jet City JCA2112 (I've since heard that the Jet City specializes in early breakup) as well as various stuff like VHT, old Traynor and Sunn, even Carvin.

Looking to spend maybe $500-$600. Thoughts?

The Tweaker is stupidly versatile, the Jet City is a one-trick pony (but oh what a trick!!!) The Tweaker covers pretty much all your needs as far as American to British, Vintage to Modern, but you do have to play with it a lot to get your "perfect sound" as the options can kind of make you overload. The Jet City basically does Clean-ish to brash, almost early Metallica metal tone with less low end, and very little in between (and does get angry sounding pretty early). Also, the fact that it is single channel could really limit you. That said, it is half the cost and sounds just KILLER. Keep in mind that, with the money saved you can get an extension cab for larger gigs.

Twinty Zuleps
May 10, 2008

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
So hey, good place to post about this. I'm going to build an amp.

It's gonna be a simple one. My guitar teacher has a Kalamazoo Model 1, and he took a few dozen pictures of the inside of it for me, and with help from here and here, I should be able to do it without too much trouble, aside from learning how to solder and avoid electrocution.

It's a simple Class A 2-knob amp. When you crank the volume it gets a delicious biting overdrive if you slam on the strings and a nice cleaner gain if you're light on them. It'll make practicing on my dinky little noob guitar a lot more fun.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this Kemper Profiling amp before, but it looks really interesting:



The idea is you hook your guitar through it and into your amp with a microphone set up to record it, and you send that signal back to the profiling amp. Then you tell it 'go' and it uses sonic magic to send a bunch of different signals to your guitar amp, listens to what happens to them, and works out how to model the amp's behaviour. It's basically a cloning device, you can copy any amp and microphone setup you like (I'm assuming even multiple amps at once) and have as yours forever. You can even mess around with the amp characteristics, seemingly beyond the actual amp's real controls.

I'm no expert on anything like this but the result from the video below sounds pretty drat good to me, what do you guys reckon? Could something like this put a dent into the amp industry? I'm wondering about the legality of being able to xerox an amp's sound and put it in your magic christmas tree box, and if they make it possible to transfer them to other people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywDUAw7ck8g

Mondrian
Jan 8, 2011
Hey goon-tarists

I need a new amp to replace my Mega

I play lots of post-rock/post-metal and sludgey type stuff :black101:

I guess I'm after tones like those in this song:
particularly the mid-gain riff at 3-5 minutes, the clean/low gain at around 8 mins and the crushing outro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XdEztcfg5A

I particularly want the thick bass/low-mids and smooth top, and to be able to go from clean to distorted just using a volume pedal or the guitar's volume.

I'm pretty handy at electronics (physics degree finally pays off), and know my way around the inside of an amp, so I'm considering doing a DIY or kit copy of a more famous amp.
Can anyone point me to such a beast?

I'm thinking an Orange Or120, JCM800 2204, JTM 45 or maybe a Trainwreck Liverpool clone (with the brightness tamed a bit)

---------------

quote:

So hey, good place to post about this. I'm going to build an amp.
:words:

Sounds awesome. Keep us updated, and have you been on the electronics thread in DIY?

plester1
Jul 9, 2004





Mondrian posted:

I guess I'm after tones like those in this song:
particularly the mid-gain riff at 3-5 minutes, the clean/low gain at around 8 mins and the crushing outro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XdEztcfg5A

Cult of Luna is known for using a shitload of amps and guitarists. They've been seen with JCM800/900s, Dual Rectifiers, Fender Twins, OR120s, Sunn Model Ts, a small unidentified Traynor combo, some custom Swedish amps, and more.

Honestly, a lot of their sound has to do with layering several low/mid gain tracks and heavy reverb/delay. They're well known for using various Roland Space Echos.

MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

I've got a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, and my speaker recently blew out. Does anyone have any recommendations for a replacement speaker or should I just stick with the Celestion G12P-80?

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR
Anyone have anything to say about the VOX hybrid amps?

betterinsodapop
Apr 4, 2004

64:3

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Anyone have anything to say about the VOX hybrid amps?
I have one and hate it. It is a 30 watt hybrid combo, and it sits in my closet. It's gain is miserable and muddy as poo poo. I think you'd be better off w/the recently mentioned Vox AC4TV, if you're trying to keep the cost low.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

betterinsodapop posted:

I have one and hate it. It is a 30 watt hybrid combo, and it sits in my closet. It's gain is miserable and muddy as poo poo. I think you'd be better off w/the recently mentioned Vox AC4TV, if you're trying to keep the cost low.

Ah. Bummer. I need something giggable and I don't think 4 watts will cut it :P

Zakalwe
May 12, 2002

Wanted For:
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Crank it. Mic it.

The Age of Decay
Mar 17, 2005

I am good at computer,

Mondrian posted:

Hey goon-tarists

I need a new amp to replace my Mega

I play lots of post-rock/post-metal and sludgey type stuff :black101:



Have you considered an Ampeg V4? They aren't really that pricey, have good amount of gain for mid-gain applications and really like pedals. I'm a huge fan of the JCM 800 though, honestly the best amp for any type of aggressive music. If you are on a budget, I would suggest a Sovtek Mig. I was in a band where the guitarist used 2 of them and they sound incredible for the money. They just have some cheap plastic parts in them that aren't hard to replace.


I just picked up a 72 V4-B for my bass rig. I'm in love with it.

donut
Feb 4, 2001

So I've never owned a tube amp before, but I got this thing at a yard sale and I'd love to get it running. This page is literally the only thing I can find on the internet related to it, and judging from the pictures, aside from the front controls, label, and general shape of the thing, everything is different, even the way the cases are put together.





So does anyone recognize it at all, know which setup is the likely original? If I took this to a Guitar Center or whatever would they be able to get it tubed up and running?

RetardedRobots
Dec 19, 2010

Have you seen this man?
Melon "Weed" Dude 1936 - 2011
Rest in peace, you shitposting bastard.

donut posted:

aside from the front controls, label, and general shape of the thing, everything is different, even the way the cases are put together
Your's is a different model. Lower wattage, that is to say, you only have one power tube.

donut posted:

If I took this to a Guitar Center or whatever would they be able to get it tubed up and running?
Depends on the tech. Not many parts on these old amps, so a good tech should have any problems diagnosing and repairing.

donut
Feb 4, 2001

Assuming there's nothing wrong with it, aside from the missing tube, would a decent tech be able to figure out what tube ought to be there?

RetardedRobots
Dec 19, 2010

Have you seen this man?
Melon "Weed" Dude 1936 - 2011
Rest in peace, you shitposting bastard.
It's the preamp tube that's missing and there really are only a handful of possibilities. I'd guess it's 12AX7/12AU7 but Teisco amps have some funky tubes in a lot of old models like 6AR5's that aren't in production anywhere anymore (they are at least cheap and available on the NOS market though).

Not sure how a tech would know what tube type is needed. I know there are many, many tubes types that will fit that socket so it might require some sort of magic trick to figure it out. Failing that, some mad amp scientist on the internet must know...

Schlieren
Jan 7, 2005

LEZZZZZZZZZBIAN CRUSH

donut posted:

Assuming there's nothing wrong with it, aside from the missing tube, would a decent tech be able to figure out what tube ought to be there?

Consider calling this guy

His name is Jeff and he's great with amps and could probably get you a referral or help you out if you took good photos

Mondrian
Jan 8, 2011

donut posted:

Assuming there's nothing wrong with it, aside from the missing tube, would a decent tech be able to figure out what tube ought to be there?

It's most likely a 12A*7/ECC8* - but there are other tubes it could be.


quote:

Not sure how a tech would know what tube type is needed. I know there are many, many tubes types that will fit that socket so it might require some sort of magic trick to figure it out. Failing that, some mad amp scientist on the internet must know...

You could probably work it out from the voltages. If you have/can draw up a schematic or give us some readings from a multimeter (please only do this if you know what you're doing) we can make an educated guess. Go over to ampgarage or AX84, they'd probably be able to help.

answersyouseek
Aug 19, 2003

No Moderation

The Age of Decay posted:

Have you considered an Ampeg V4? They aren't really that pricey, have good amount of gain for mid-gain applications and really like pedals. I'm a huge fan of the JCM 800 though, honestly the best amp for any type of aggressive music. If you are on a budget, I would suggest a Sovtek Mig. I was in a band where the guitarist used 2 of them and they sound incredible for the money. They just have some cheap plastic parts in them that aren't hard to replace.


I just picked up a 72 V4-B for my bass rig. I'm in love with it.

Despite the fact that V-4B's totally rule. V-4's aren't great live amps for guitar because they aren't that loud. Sovtek Mig 150H's though are great. They are essentially the discount version of a JCM 800 but they are built way more robustly because they use Russian military grade parts.

the wizards beard
Apr 15, 2007
Reppin

4 LIFE 4 REAL

answersyouseek posted:

Despite the fact that V-4B's totally rule. V-4's aren't great live amps for guitar because they aren't that loud. Sovtek Mig 150H's though are great. They are essentially the discount version of a JCM 800 but they are built way more robustly because they use Russian military grade parts.

V4s are ridiculously loud. And Sovtek never made a Mig 150H...?

Sirius Sam
Apr 12, 2005

BUTTCHEEKS

answersyouseek posted:

Despite the fact that V-4B's totally rule. V-4's aren't great live amps for guitar because they aren't that loud. Sovtek Mig 150H's though are great. They are essentially the discount version of a JCM 800 but they are built way more robustly because they use Russian military grade parts.

Sovtek never made a MIG 150H. In fact they never made an amp higher than 100w. However their 100 watts is mindblowingly loud. I have the MIG 100B, the bass/rhythm head. I want a 100H but the clean headroom on the 100B is just amazing, takes pedals better than any of my other amps by far.

Also Sovteks are made entirely of russian tank parts, except for the input/output jacks, which are made of plastic. Yeah, I don't get it either.

Catastrophe
Oct 5, 2007

Committed to burn twice as long and half as bright

answersyouseek posted:

V-4's aren't great live amps for guitar because they aren't that loud.

I........ what??? As a previous V-4 owner, I can tell you that it was easily the loudest guitar amp I've ever owned (and I currently have an Electric Amp head that has actually remotely knocked things off of shelves and furniture in my apartment with its volume). It was like it was from another world. If you tried out a V-4 that wasn't very loud, it was broken. They are beasts.

Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jan 30, 2011

a_pineapple
Dec 23, 2005


There's a retubed mid 70s Ampeg SVT with a road case for sale near me. $1100. Should I bite? I REALLY need to upgrade from my lovely B-2R.

SnackinStarfish
Feb 27, 2007

Yeah, you trippin' if you don't think a V-4 is loud as hell. I turned my VT-22 halfway up and it hurt my ears - with earplugs in. I also blew a voice coil doing that... I think they were the original speakers :-(

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
I'm thinking of getting an Orange PPC212 cabinet to get a bigger sound out of my AC4. It's got a 16 ohm output and the cab is supposed to be 16 ohm as well, but it has 2 inputs on it. How does that work? Would I need some y-shaped cable to avoid damaging my amp?

http://www.orangeamps.com/dynimages/pop-PPC212C_jackplate.jpg

Sirius Sam
Apr 12, 2005

BUTTCHEEKS
It has two inputs so you can chain two together (if you did that you would use the 8ohm output from your amplifier if you didn't know).

I'm going to assume they're both input/output jacks.

Sirius Sam fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 2, 2011

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
I have a Little Mark II bass head that's about 3 years old now.

At my most recent gig, the amp's clip light just came on without a bass being plugged in. My gain knob was all the way down at 0 as was the master volume.

When I did try playing through it, the signal was too distorted and unpleasant to be usable, even at a really low volume (i.e. "4 o'clock"). I tried plugging it into other outlets and even tested it at home and the light is always on even when there's no bass plugged in.

I can play the amp by plugging the bass into the effects loop. The EQ otherwise works that way too.

Do you guys have any ideas what could be the problem here? I've tried plugging this into different outlets and otherwise letting it rest and cool, but the problem persists.

NOTE: Is this thread just for tube amps? If so, I'll erase this post.

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

TyChan posted:

I can play the amp by plugging the bass into the effects loop. The EQ otherwise works that way too.

The preamp has gone bad I guess?

Sirius Sam
Apr 12, 2005

BUTTCHEEKS

rt4 posted:

The preamp has gone bad I guess?

That sounds about right, seeing as how when you bypass the preamp section of the amp it works fine. I would take it to an amp tech because chances are it's not gonna be something you can fix yourself.

Steiler Drep
Nov 30, 2004
what?
Alright so I just read through all 8 pages and although REALLY helpful, couldn't find a definitive answer.

I'm looking for an amp that goes REALLY well with pedals, varying styles from light rock, jazz, and stoner metal. I don't need loads of volume, so I guess 15-30 watts would be more than fine as I always go through PA at gigs.

I'd like to keep it under $400, but if it's unmanageable, are there any classic 70-80s amps that can fit my description just fine and dandy? I ask this because there's an amp builder near where I live which is reknown for making classic clones or custom builds for a fraction of the original price, with components from most amps' eras (he started an amp shop back in the 70s and it never got up, so he's got thousands of stuff from ages ago in his little shop). I could ask him for a clone of whatever amp you find would suite me, as I don't know much of amps that go well with pedals.

Oh and I'd prefer it to be lightweight! I do carry my stuff in my car but I'm starting to get back problems

Schlieren
Jan 7, 2005

LEZZZZZZZZZBIAN CRUSH
Who is this magical amp-maker :allears:

Steiler Drep
Nov 30, 2004
what?

Schlieren posted:

Who is this magical amp-maker :allears:

Don Manuel Robles Carballo (I believe that was his second name?), his brand is named MRC Amplification. Local to Costa Rica (I live there, currently residing in Boston but I'm going back in 2 weeks). This guy makes amazingly awesome amps for really cheap. I've had the opportunity to play with a JCM800 clone and a Plexi of some kind clone with something thrown in for the overdrive channel that sounded really meaty. I've heard from friends that he's a really nice guy who caters to your needs, and basically all the amp-making process consists of you going to his shop periodically playing around with what he's got there and telling him what you want. Or you could get an exact replica of a vintage amp.


This I just found browsing a Costa Rican music forum, but I don't know much more than this.

So back to my question...what amplifier just generally plays well with pedals?

SSJ2 Goku Wilders
Mar 24, 2010

Steiler Drep posted:

Don Manuel Robles Carballo (I believe that was his second name?), his brand is named MRC Amplification. Local to Costa Rica (I live there, currently residing in Boston but I'm going back in 2 weeks). This guy makes amazingly awesome amps for really cheap. I've had the opportunity to play with a JCM800 clone and a Plexi of some kind clone with something thrown in for the overdrive channel that sounded really meaty. I've heard from friends that he's a really nice guy who caters to your needs, and basically all the amp-making process consists of you going to his shop periodically playing around with what he's got there and telling him what you want. Or you could get an exact replica of a vintage amp.


This I just found browsing a Costa Rican music forum, but I don't know much more than this.

So back to my question...what amplifier just generally plays well with pedals?

Nothing to do with your question, but I always wondered what that little 'fuse' thing was? You can see it near the other buttons on the amp in your picture.

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
If something goes wrong with your amp circuit, it'll blow the fuse instead of setting the amp on fire or something. If you unscrew that little cap, there's just a fuse sitting there and you can pull it out and slide a new one in.
I think it's usually on the back of the amp or even on the inside rather than the front since you should need it very rarely.

Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight
Cross-posting from the rear end thread.



Ampeg releasing 50 B-15N flip-top reissues.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
Didn't Ampeg always have a version of the B-15 out in one way or another? Maybe the models weren't faithful to the original specs, but I thought they always had one available.

How different is the B-15 preamp stage from a SVT? Given how integral B-15s have been for a lot of 60s music, I thought Ampeg could have made a lot of money by pairing the B-15 preamp to a solid state amp or something like that.

Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight

TyChan posted:

Didn't Ampeg always have a version of the B-15 out in one way or another? Maybe the models weren't faithful to the original specs, but I thought they always had one available.

How different is the B-15 preamp stage from a SVT? Given how integral B-15s have been for a lot of 60s music, I thought Ampeg could have made a lot of money by pairing the B-15 preamp to a solid state amp or something like that.

Yeah, they've had some other B-15s, and even have a new line of solid-state Porta-Flex amps, but as far as I know they haven't done a faithful reproduction of the B-15NC or B-15NF.

For the particular construction between the two, I'm not sure. But I know this rendition of the B-15 at least will use 6SL7s in the preamp stage.

schizorage
Dec 26, 2005
I have a relatively simple question about Tube amp impedance and cabinets.

I have an Ampeg Reverberocket head with a switchable impedance of 8 or 16 ohms.
The extension cabinet for the amp is 16 ohms, and is presently hooked up to the main cabinet out (with the amp running at 16 ohms. My question is this: What are my impedance options for the extension cabinet?

Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight

schizorage posted:

I have a relatively simple question about Tube amp impedance and cabinets.

I have an Ampeg Reverberocket head with a switchable impedance of 8 or 16 ohms.
The extension cabinet for the amp is 16 ohms, and is presently hooked up to the main cabinet out (with the amp running at 16 ohms. My question is this: What are my impedance options for the extension cabinet?

Assuming you can disconnect the internal speaker like you can on a fender amp:

Internal speaker @ 16ohms + external cabinet at 16ohms = 8ohms
External cabinet only (internal disconnected) at 8ohms
External cabinet only (internal disconnected) at 16ohms
2 External cabinets at 16ohms each (with internal disconnected) = 8ohms


Pretty sure that's about it unless there's another combination I'm not recognizing.

Scarf fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Feb 9, 2011

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O Rapture
Feb 28, 2007

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Anyone have anything to say about the VOX hybrid amps?

Probably a little late to the game on this one, but I have the AC30VR and rather like it.

I think both overdrive channels sound great, the clean channel less. It took a lot of fiddling to find settings I liked, but I've found a sweet spot, and I love the tone of OD2 with mids and gain cranked.

Other notes: the reverb is a little underwhelming; the gain better than anticipated.

For the price, $550 NIB, I am pretty happy with it. It was a compromise. I couldn't swing the $1500 for the AC30 classic.

Bear in mind, I am primarily using it at home and in small venues, like coffee shop size. I've never tried to play a large room or stage setting with it.

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