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Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Happydayz posted:

1) interns with the federal government get paid a salary and benefits commensurate with their work experience and education levels.

Not all interns get paid actually. I couldn't find the direct post you were answering with this but when I interned with the DoS at a consulate in Japan, I was the only paid intern among the 5 of us they had for the summer. I think it was probably because I was a graduate student and the other interns were all undergrads but I'm not entirely sure. It was a good thing though because I probably wouldn't have been able to do the internship if it had been unpaid.

Also yay I got a response back from all three positions I applied to in the CEP. Foreign Affairs Specialist goooooooo

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Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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SWATJester posted:

-e- I had a veteran commit suicide on the phone with myself and several other board members who were conferenced in. He was depressed over having been denied care by the VA for his PTSD.

Jesus christ dude. That's horrible.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Has anyone filled out the questionnaires for the CEP yet? How long did it take you and what kind of questions did they ask?

Edit: Nevermind, I decided to get off my lazy rear end and just get it over with instead of pushing it back another day.

Sirotan fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Aug 3, 2010

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Gravel Gravy posted:

It was pretty straight forward. Mostly about your experiences like "Do you have working experience on projects taking upwards of six months" or "Have you ever led a team on a short term project" and other stuff.

Thanks. I was mostly dragging my feet because I was dreading open-ended questions that would require long essay answers.

Also, these are the best kinds of questions:


3. Please fill in "A" for this question.

A This is the correct response.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Kase Im Licht posted:

How do they check up on your answers to the questions they ask? Will they look at your resume and see if they could possibly be true? Ask in the interview?

What about questions without objective answers? "Your coworkers would rate your math skills as: Superior, good, okay, bad." Is there any reason not to put the best answer every time for these?

From what I've heard for some jobs you won't even be considered unless you have a score of 95 or above. You want to put the highest (best) response for every question you can if possible. Just remember you can take experiences from school, clubs, social activities, hobbies, etc to answer the questions.

Last night I filled out the assessment for passport specialist. I had already applied to a similar position 6 months ago and it had stored my score from that test: 93. I decided to try it again to hopefully get a better score. I hope I made the right choice. :ohdear:

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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So who else dreads clicking on this thread when you see there are new posts, because you think they might be people saying they got a response from the CEP and are being referred to the hiring managers, while you did not? Yeah because thats me. :ohdear:

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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CherryCola posted:

People are starting to get replies for that? I applied to a CEP thing like three months ago and haven't heard a word since.

About 3-4 weeks ago they sent out emails letting you know if you made it to the next round. Then you had to fill out an application online, and were told after you submitted it that you'd hear back whether you were going to be referred to a hiring manager or not within 5 weeks. So it looks like you are SOL for this round, sorry. :(

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Omits-Bagels posted:

Did everyone else pretty much click "yes" for each response on those CEP questionnaires?

Pretty much. All but like 2 that I knew I couldn't justify in any way whatsoever.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Adri posted:

I thought for the CEP they would let you know if you got referred or not and that it would take awhile to get back to everyone (to give them till November). At least my email said something similar to that.

Heres what all of mine said:

quote:

Within 5 weeks, we will notify you regarding whether you are being referred to the hiring officials or not. We will notify everyone regardless of whether they are being referred or not.

If you are referred to a hiring official, the hiring officials will contact you for an interview. Your name will remain on a certificate of eligibles that they can make selections from at any time between August and November. Once we reach that point in the process, I will give more information to those who are being referred to hiring managers.

Received these emails on July 25th.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Pompous Rhombus posted:

So anyone else sack up and apply for Detroit? :whatup:

I live next to Detroit, so yes. You guys probably ruined the odds for me. :colbert:

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Got all excited a bit ago because I got some emails about the CEP vacancies I applied too. It was just the results of the assessment that I decided to re-take. I'm glad I did too. At the time I had a score of 93, and if you re-take it the new score will wipe out your old one, good or bad. Well, now I've got a 97!! :toot:

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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MothraAttack posted:

Just received my notice of results via e-mail. Where is the assessment score announced? Is that the 'rating?'

Yup.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Pompous Rhombus posted:

Anyone ever hear back from the CEP Passport Specialist Position? Was supposed to be a yea or nay at least a week ago...

Nope, still nothing.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Pompous Rhombus posted:

Anyone ever hear back from the CEP Passport Specialist Position? Was supposed to be a yea or nay at least a week ago...

Oh hey I just now got the notification of my application for this position. And I only got a 96 on the assessment. :(

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Jesus christ. I got all excited for a minute thinking I got a 97 for the Detroit job, but no. Thats the one I got the email for yesterday and its a whole loving one point lower, 96.

Guess I'll be answering every question with a yes come January.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Well I'm not really sure what else I can do at this point. Its called the "Career Entry Program" so they assume you want to enter into a career in the State Department. I have a Masters, I've even interned at the State Department. How do I enter into a career in the federal government if they are only taking people who already have careers in the federal government?

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Corbet posted:

What kind of answers is the IRS is looking for with these types of questions?



I don't think this is something specific to the IRS but I imagine they are going to look to see if you can first work out the situation with your coworker before you involve your manager into the dispute. There are plenty of varieties of this type of question ("Say you have a problem with a coworker, what do you do first to resolve it?"), they are looking to see if you can handle conflict yourself before you tattle to a supervisor.

So basically you are going to want to answer option #4.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Skandiaavity posted:

:words:

I interviewed with the CIA right out of school, and didn't get the job (obviously). I was told you could tell your immediate family, and anyone else you could say you worked for the "federal government" or that it was handy to say you worked for the IRS or some other 'boring' federal agency that when mentioned would not elicit further questioning.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Anyone know when the Career Entry Program is accepting applications again? Its usually January and July and I haven't heard a peep about it yet this month. I just looked at the State Department's website and it looks like they redesigned it and info on the CEP has now disappeared. Did it get eliminated along with the intern program?

Edit: God drat, it was eliminated. After the fiasco last time I was really pissed off and had hoped I'd have a better shot the next time around. Now I am really disappointed.

Sirotan fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 19, 2011

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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TLG James posted:

Should you seriously put down 5's on everything on the questionnaires? I recently applied for one and got the

"Eligible – Application Not Referred to Selecting Official"

This was with a 5 point vet preference for a simple IT LAN job with a BS degree and 6+ years of experience.

Very depressing, but I couldn't honestly say I was an expert on every single thing on it.

You shouldn't lie, but if you have any possible way of justifying a 5 response on an answer, you should absolutely put it as much as you can.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Stultus Maximus posted:

What do I do when a position says "In addition to meeting experience requirements applicants must show evidence (by self-certification) of typing skill of at least 40 words per minute. "?

How do I "self-certify"?

I just got an instant reject from a loving clerk position and I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out what I did wrong.

Are you a veteran or current/former federal employee? If you are, you can get a max score of 110 on the assessments, otherwise you can only get a max score of 100. So, it's entirely possible you did nothing wrong at all.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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crankdatbatman posted:

Isn't there, like, a chance you can serve jail time if you don't sign up with the selective services?

I was all ready to say "what? no", but apparently you can be jailed up to 5 years and/or fined up to $250,000:

http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm

I don't think I've ever heard of anyone who has been. But, you will say goodbye to ever getting a job in the federal government or any kind of federal student aid.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Ron Don Volante posted:

Is there a typical cut-off score that applies to most jobs or does it vary by competitiveness? I just got a 92 on one application and I'm wondering if that's too low (on the other hand, it's for a job in Detroit).

Several years ago before the demise of the Federal Career Intern Program I applied for a position in with a posting in Detroit. I got a 96 on the assessment, and the cutoff for Detroit (the lowest of the entire thing) was 97. Not that I'm still bitter about that or anything, nope.

:argh:

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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You guys are making me feel a bit discouraged. I know some FBI Special Agent positions require two/three years of professional work experience besides the education component which I've just recently completed. I was hoping to start the application process soon and (hopefully? maybe?) get in with a couple years. I know the sequester isn't helping matters here but I was still remaining hopeful...am I deluding myself or should I just expect an uphill battle?

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Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

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Seamonster posted:

Everybody wants to be Fox Mulder but nobody wants to deal with the ridicule/rejection.

Thanks for the advice? Who is being ridiculed here besides myself and the other people hoping to get these jobs, and by your post. I can't imagine anyone who goes through the application process to these types of jobs thinks it's going to be a cakewalk and they're guaranteed a spot. I suppose I probably shouldn't have even posted my previous question/concerned since I already know the answer: it's a popular and appealing job with a lot of very qualified individuals applying for it. It's not impossible to get those jobs but it will take time and patience if you want to be successful.

Good luck Kase Im Licht, Quarex, Ignoranceisbliss88 and Feed Me A Cat in your 1811 job searches.

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