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Boondock Saint posted:Yes, although I do believe you have to work for a year before you gain preference. Do you have any tips on applying preference? I've got a Schedule A hiring exemption but I can't really figure out how to make anything out of it. Wasn't good enough to get me a DoS intern gig, at any rate
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# ¿ Jul 5, 2010 22:37 |
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Gomegoth posted:How big of an advantage do ex-military/veterans have in competing for government jobs, if any? Do they have something like competitive status? I'm not actually in the military, but its something I'm seriously considering doing after I get out of college. Veteran's preference, a big leg up on KSA's and stuff (I guess this depends on what you do in the military and what you're applying for in the government, but there's a lot of potential there), and often a security clearance. The level of clearance will depend on what you do in the military; a grunt might only have a Secret or something, but other ratings (intel, working on/with classified tech, etc) would come with a higher clearance like a TS or TS/SCI. It's a huge advantage, in short. I was looking into the AF a few weeks ago but the hiring prospects for non-rated officers looked pretty grim, they're downsizing atm.
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# ¿ Jul 6, 2010 02:21 |
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Konstantin posted:You have to have a skillset they really, really want. It costs a ton of money to get, especially for a TS clearance, and it can take a long time. If a company offers you a job with the opportunity to get clearance, loving take it, regardless of any other factor. I know that in IT, if you have a TS clearance you can pretty much get a job anywhere, instantly, and get paid a huge amount for it. I can't think of a single piece of paper that will improve your job prospects more. Seriously, if I was still in IT, I would work for free if the company sponsored me for a TS clearance, it's that valuable. If you're still in school, internships are a great way to get a free clearance without starting a full-blown career with the government. The DIA has one (I could have sworn it was at least a TS, but on their site all I could find was "full clearance"), State will get you a Secret, and I imagine the others do as well.
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# ¿ Jul 11, 2010 13:52 |
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grover posted:I'm pretty sure it's seamless to you. There's some work on the back-end, but you shouldn't have to redo the investigation. I could have sworn a couple people (on SA) have said they did have to get them redone, although it's easier with the SF-86 all filled out already. It doesn't make sense to me, but then again, the government.
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# ¿ Jul 11, 2010 17:41 |
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Athazagoraphobia posted:I am in the process of being cleared for a State Department internship this coming fall but I have already had my interim security clearance denied. Has anyone had their interim denied for Secret clearance only to go on and eventually get the regular clearance approved? Yeah, had the same thing happen. It was approved a couple weeks later (but I never got to go on the internship, was just an alternate).
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# ¿ Jul 12, 2010 00:07 |
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Skandiaavity posted:It's possible I am wrong, or this varies by agency, but I thought a BA/BS only qualified you for GS-5, realistically? Whereas if you had personal experience on top of that, you'd qualify for GS-7/GS-9? Some job postings offer GS-7 (I think) for "superior academic performance" and let that substitute for some of the experience/grad school.
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# ¿ Jul 14, 2010 21:24 |
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Skandiaavity posted:All over this, thanks a bunch... been trying to get into UN for 3-some years now! Are there any UN goons? competition go~ Yeah, it was the CIA who seemed most interested in me when I was at a job fair there a few years ago; I get the impression they're always on the lookout for good people. Also lol at the Boren people, they sent out an e-mail about that job fair this morning.
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# ¿ Jul 15, 2010 00:48 |
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Skandiaavity posted:A reminder to thank Obama, if he gets his way: the hiring time will cut down to something like 60-90 days from when you submit your resume, till they have an answer or an offer. Period. (Some agencies, of course, are excepted from this) OTOH, I just signed up for $33/mo health insurance that will basically spit in my eye if anything happens to me, unless it's something catastrophic, in which case they'll pay a percentage beyond $12.5k. ARE HEALTHCARE
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# ¿ Jul 15, 2010 20:35 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:Is anyone familiar with the ILR language test at all? I'm scheduled to take it in a week and for this position I have to get a 3/3, which I have no clue what that is. But if it is complete fluency then I am hosed. Speaking, ILR3 Not sure if the other 3 refers to listening or writing, but you can find the rest of the descriptions on that website.
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# ¿ Jul 15, 2010 23:30 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:Probably listening since it is an oral exam over a telephone. Yeah, a 3/3 is pretty decent, but by no means fluent. Let us know how it goes, provided there isn't an NDA attached to the test. I'm curious if there's a separate listening section, or if they're just going by your responses how well you understood the examiner.
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# ¿ Jul 16, 2010 00:21 |
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Athazagoraphobia posted:Just finished my interview for Secret clearance. After being lectured about my prior drug use, the interviewer would not make eye contact with me for the remaining duration of our conversation. I was informed that they did not interview anyone from my sf-86 and do not intend to. Apparently, honesty is for suckers. Yeah, none of my references were contacted either. He did ask for stuff like former roommates overseas, but didn't really seem too bothered when I couldn't come up with contact details for most of them
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# ¿ Jul 16, 2010 16:29 |
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grover posted:Also, when they ask about mp3/video piracy, they only care about mp3/video piracy done on government computers, and NOT what you do from home. They're pretty clear about this in the written stuff, but sometimes gloss this over during oral interviews. Are they really? From what I saw it sounded like any :files: was a tick against you, which is mostly why I quit altogether a while ago* (interviewer never asked me about it, IIRC). For something like the FBI, it could definitely create a problem/conflict with your job. *Between Netflix, Hulu, and Zune Pass one really isn't left wanting much.
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# ¿ Jul 16, 2010 18:28 |
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SWATJester posted:Opportunity time! Just got done scanning my transcripts for this. I'm applying for the Foreign Affairs Specialist (yeah right) and the Passport Specialist (maybe?). I figure I'll put down Detroit for the latter; hopefully it'll increase the odds since presumably it's the worst place on the list.
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# ¿ Jul 16, 2010 20:32 |
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SWATJester posted:I'd imagine that being a Passport Specialist is a pretty good lead-in if you ever wanted to be a Consular FSO. Yeah, puttin' that in my letter
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# ¿ Jul 17, 2010 14:18 |
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I told a couple of my friends I was applying for a job in Detroit and each one gave me the reaction. Ranger -X- posted:Another good reason for getting a federal job? Within the next 10 years appx. 40% of federal employees will be retiring leaving a lot of upper positions to be filled. Yay baby-boomers! Is there mandatory retirement for fed jobs? From what I've read, a lot of boomers are clinging to their jobs, either out of financial necessity (getting wiped out when the economy tanked) or just not wanting to retire. fivetwo posted:The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the Inspector General is hiring 1811 agents en masse. It's on USAJobs (series search 1811 or agency search HHS). Cool, will look in to this.
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# ¿ Jul 18, 2010 03:42 |
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I think Diplomatic Security Service hires like once a year, maybe October-ish? I remember that's when they opened up a couple of the DoS jobs, I applied for the courier position last year (a man can dream )Omits-Bagels posted:Does having non-competitive eligibility really help me out that much? What is the best way to take advantage of it? Also interested to know about this. Does it basically boil down to: knowing someone on the inside of whatever organization who would go to bat for you, who also has some pull with management/HR?
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# ¿ Jul 18, 2010 16:54 |
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Gawain The Blind posted:I can't speak for other agencies, but as far as I know, knowing somebody in HR at the IRS doesn't help you in any way, other than maybe you get a heads up when something is about to post, so you can get a jump on applying for it, or maybe they double check to make sure all your forms are in order for your application. The actual decision process as to who gets the job is all very systematic and point-based on specific criteria, and being friends with somebody never enters into it. The way it's been explained to me, a federal employer can create a position for you without having to advertise it to the general public, and you don't count towards their hiring quota. I know that you can use it for applying for those internal jobs as well, but it seems outside applicants (without relevant experience in the private sector, I guess) wouldn't generally be qualified for those jobs anyways :-\
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# ¿ Jul 18, 2010 19:28 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:Here is a related question. I do, those phone language tests are kinda bogus wrt your actual language ability I can still see why they do them though; face-to-face interviews or anything more comprehensive would be prohibitively expensive. Could you give me some more info about your process applying for those jobs? I'm going to be doing something similar and would be really interested to hear more about your experiences. You should be able to e-mail me through the link in my SA profile. Necronomiconomist posted:Small clearance related question: Your hiring contact is technically correct (a Secret is no great shakes), but in the long term it is horrible advice and you should seriously take anything they tell you with a huge grain of salt. If you go for a higher clearance later it will probably come out one way or another that you were smoking the reefer in college, and didn't report that on your original SF-86. You can kiss your clearance/job goodbye in that case. Really want to underscore how lying about something so banal for a Secret (when the hiring agency has told you its no big deal, no less) is awful, terrible advice.
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# ¿ Jul 22, 2010 20:48 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:Don't see an e-mail. Besides don't I have your AIM name, from the DC goon meet thread? Weird, I have it selected as being able to be contacted by email, but I don't see the link when I look at my own profile. I don't use AIM anymore regardless, my email is [redacted]. At this point I'd do unmentionable things for a decent-ish paying janitor job overseas with a TS thrown in, just sayin' Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jul 22, 2010 |
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Omits-Bagels posted:I applied but never got an email back... I probably messed something up. ugg.
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# ¿ Jul 25, 2010 19:05 |
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Woot, just got an e-mail about the Passport Specialist. Guess it takes them a while to make it down that list.
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# ¿ Jul 27, 2010 19:17 |
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CherryCola posted:Wooo! I have a skype interview on the 14th! Any advice for skyping with the government? Pants optional! (Congrats!)
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# ¿ Jul 29, 2010 14:29 |
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So when I get to check "yes" forquote:Are you eligible for a noncompetitive appointment to the Federal government under authorities for the severely disabled; certain Vietnam era and disabled veterans; returned volunteer from the Peace Corps or Vista, etc.? , how does that work in the hiring process? It also gives me the option to select quote:I am a status candidate and I also want to be considered under the competitive process. , which I assume I should check as well. But I'm curious how the non-competitive thing affects my application, when there are also applicants applying competitively.
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# ¿ Aug 2, 2010 18:22 |
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Sundae posted:Ahh, I forgot how fun ApplicationManager is. You submit everything, it accepts it all, you check all the checklists to confirm that they say 'submitted'... I wonder if this is why the CEP had us e-mail everything and said not to upload any documents to ApplicationManager. JohnnyHildo posted:Under a noncompetitive hiring authority you can be appointed directly into the job without competing against others on a cert if you are qualified for the position. Under a competitive hiring authority, you must compete with the other applicants. If you qualify for both authorities, you should apply for both. How do they figure the quota of non-competitive hires versus competitive? Would they take every eligible non-competitive before they started looking at competitive applications? OTOH, going through that questionnaire I was beginning to feel a bit inadequate at parts. I almost wish there were essay questions, so I could say "No, but here's why I think that I could...". Gravel Gravy posted:It was pretty straight forward. Mostly about your experiences like "Do you have working experience on projects taking upwards of six months" or "Have you ever led a team on a short term project" and other stuff. I was going to put it off until the weekend, until my boss came and dumped a whole heap of bullshit on me today at work this morning. Came right home, fixed myself lunch, and plowed straight through the whole questionnaire, e-mailed the HR lady a few more questions I had, then started on another job application. (Normally my job is just a dull, low-level ache that I can tune out, so this provided some much needed stimulus.)
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# ¿ Aug 3, 2010 02:34 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:Did they say that? I uploaded mine and the application looks fine. Should I remove the documents just in case? The lady who emailed me mentioned it. I got an automated out-of-office response with some FAQ-type answers on it, according to that if you've already uploaded them don't bother to take them down, but they'll be using the documents you originally submitted by email.
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# ¿ Aug 3, 2010 11:32 |
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JohnnyHildo posted:There is no quota for non-competitive hires, it's just an alternative list that the hiring manager can hire someone from. I was recently on a hiring team and we got to choose from candidates on a merit promotion list, Schedule A (non-competitive), and a public list. We hired for four positions, but there was no requirement that a certain number be taken from any one list. We called in one individual who was eligible under Schedule A because she looked to be a good candidate. She ended up bombing the interview. We didn't call anyone else who was eligible under Schedule A because they weren't particularly compelling. The other Schedule A candidates were only minimally-qualified for the position. Thanks for explaining that, makes perfect sense.
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# ¿ Aug 4, 2010 02:20 |
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So, in case any of you are interested in what languages federal employers are searching resumes for:code:
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# ¿ Aug 10, 2010 18:06 |
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CherryCola posted:It's a good thing I'm a patient woman or I would have completely lost my mind by now. I applied for a curatorial assistant job at the Freer gallery (Smithsonian) on June 1st. On July 14th, I received a notice that I had met the criteria and would be notified in the "near future" about whether or not I would get an interview. So now it's almost September and I'm staaarting to wonder if they've actually filled the position and will never tell me. My online application tells me no further details. I don't think it hurts to follow-up (there's even a form on my "Job Search History" thing with NSEP about what you did to follow up on your application), although I'm not sure the exact etiquette... haven't had a good reason to follow up yet Obviously you don't want to come off as pushy/desperate, but just something polite to let them know you're definitely still interested in the position, etc.
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# ¿ Aug 26, 2010 20:38 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:Got this gem from the NNSA today! So, who's down for a flying penis raid? edit: or at least show up as a furry
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# ¿ Aug 28, 2010 12:24 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:I didn't because I didn't find out that that was what you had to do until later in the thread, so I am likely hosed. I have, but not the American police
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# ¿ Sep 1, 2010 01:29 |
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Sirotan posted:Heres what all of mine said: Yeah, that's what mine said too. So anyone else sack up and apply for Detroit?
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# ¿ Sep 1, 2010 02:22 |
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a bear posted:I have a degree in video production. I'm not ready to head out to the LA/NY area yet. I'm in Maryland and can get a job in DC. I've seen a number of positions for video people (saved search: photographer), especially with military public affairs offices. They all want experience, so hopefully you have that.
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# ¿ Sep 3, 2010 00:00 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:Question: I can get into a volunteer position with a County PD. They basically want to conduct a background investigation that will take many months. I don't want to make them conduct the investigation since I will basically be taking whatever is thrown at me before I get to start volunteering for them. Basically I hate being an rear end in a top hat, wouldn't want them to waste their time but who knows if anything will even happen by the time I get to start with them. I didn't see a question there I'd just level with them about it; say you'd really like to do it but are looking for jobs that may come through for you before they can get the investigation done. They may have some non-sensitive stuff you could do in the meantime, and you never know how long it will take for those gub'ment jobs to work out anyways. This is a good idea btw, I'm going to look in to doing the same. I've got a clearance with State already so I wonder if that would streamline things?
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# ¿ Sep 3, 2010 02:25 |
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CherryCola posted:I have an M.A. If I remember correctly, some just start with Univ. That thing is pretty picky. Try experimenting with different abbreviation. What level do you need?
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# ¿ Sep 17, 2010 06:07 |
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CherryCola posted:Top Secret with Polygraph. I'm kind of worried I'm going to fail the polygraph right out because I have this weird guilty anxiety thing even when I haven't actually done anything wrong. Just have to hope for the best, I guess! Nice! I'm the same way (and just skeptical about polygraphs in general), but I imagine they get a lot of people like that.
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# ¿ Sep 17, 2010 14:46 |
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Anyone ever hear back from the CEP Passport Specialist Position? Was supposed to be a yea or nay at least a week ago...
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2010 00:00 |
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88 (honest to a fault) What the gently caress does that email even mean? "Yeah, we got your application."?
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2010 16:49 |
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Not that I shouldn't be applying for anything I can find*, but I think I'm taking a hydra approach to this government job thing; for every one I don't get accepted for, I apply for two more. Also heard back from the FBI that I was Eligible - Not Referred to Hiring Official, which is hardly surprising. Something's gotta give, eventually! my will *I should mention here I'm required to make a "good faith" effort for the next two years to find a job relating to national security, so I'm pretty much applying for everything I'm qualified for, snowball's chance in hell or not. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Sep 23, 2010 |
# ¿ Sep 23, 2010 22:56 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:
Haha, jesus: quote:The minimum score required for referral to hiring managers was:
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# ¿ Sep 24, 2010 01:08 |
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Boondock Saint posted:I am going to use this from now on when people ask why I don't have a career type job yet. I picked two useless majors, studied a useless language, and didn't work for free as an intern when I was a student/have connections where I could make nepotism work for me upon graduation.
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# ¿ Sep 24, 2010 02:10 |