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danifestmestny posted:I think this is the most appropriate place for this question: The thing people have to remember about betting is that lines are there so that the books can get an equal amount of money on both sides of the bet. The books don't necessarily think that the AFC West has the best odds at winning, more that that line gives them the correct amount of action to balance out the money on every division. It is the same way with the spread. I know that certain teams(Texas, ND, USC, etc.) always get a lot of money put on them to cover, so those spreads are actually higher then Vegas expects them to be so that the money will work out correctly on both sides of the line. As for the NFL Championship v. Super Bowl thing I expect you are right. The NFL has been suing everyone who uses Super Bowl. I know they even tried to get the rights to The Big Game, but Stanford and Cal bitched enough until they gave that one up.
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danifestmestny posted:Just making sure I'm understanding what you mean: Exactly. Now I am by no means a sports betting expert, but that is how I understand it. Someone who actually understands this stuff better should come in and explain it more, but that is what I have learned from reading about lines and stuff on the internet and placing the odd bet myself.
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Jul 27, 2010 01:36
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Bashez posted:It was literally impossible for me to move in a cup. Especially after your thighs get bigger. Even worse the cup would sit a half inch or so off my skin which meant its plastic edges came crashing down when I got hit. It took one practice for me to never wear a cup again. I had no problem wearing a cup during football. I probably could have gotten away without it since I played o-line, but since it didn't affect anything I just wore it. I didn't wear it during wrestling though, but I know guys on our team did which I always thought was weird. Toussaint Louverture posted:Is that like not wearing sleeves when it's cold out? That is more of an o-line manly camaraderie thing. I know other positions do it too, but on most teams the o-line wears the same thing to games, and on every team I played on all it took was one vote against sleeves to not wear them so I never did during a game or practice.
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Aug 28, 2010 14:27
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WinnebagoWarrior posted:This took a second to sink in. Jesus Christ. Still better then a 5 on 2. That poo poo was just dirty.
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Sep 1, 2010 02:49
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ch1mp posted:Thank you for explaining that. The colossal mismatches that I seem stumble across frequently are one of the reasons that I have had a hard time getting in to college ball and I wondered where these match ups came from. Well some of those mismatches are a result of teams having to play really awful teams in their conference. The Pac-10 gets nothing from beating up on WSU every year, but they are in the league so everyone else get a free win. The out of conference stuff is usually the bigger team wanted to get a guaranteed win at home. They will pay a smaller team a lot of money to come to their house so the home team can make even more money and get one win closer to bowl eligibility. Teams will also use them as tune up games the first week of the season since there is no preseason in college ball. These games are often a good thing for the underdog too since without them their football teams wouldn't make nearly as much money. It is also why teams like Tory will spend basically the entire first month of the season on the road, while the Florida's of the world won't leave campus until mid October. Yeah these games suck, but unfortunately they are a fact of college ball. Plus these games can make for some hilarious upsets when the team that was supposed to lost ends up winning. It does look like a lot teams are realizing that the danger of scheduling one-two really good out of conference games a year is worth the risk. That was a lot more then I intended to write so sorry about the length.
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Sep 5, 2010 05:17
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I also know the ACC(and maybe other conferences I can't be sure) has a clause in its agreements with bowls that says that a bowl game can't take a team that is has one more lose then the winningest reaming ACC team. For example say the Gator bowl(normally takes ACC#2) wouldn't necessarily be able to take a 7-5 FSU who was the ACC Atlantic champ is there was a 10-1 Miami who was the runner up in the ACC Coastal. That is a bit of an extreme example, but I know it has happened in the past.
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Sep 26, 2010 16:43
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ESPN has a good drive summary as part of their box score. It defaults to just scoring drives, but you can break it down by quarter and it includes TOP for every drive.
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Oct 1, 2010 02:02
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I know when I played in HS there were teams who would default to a "swinging fence" formation as my coaches called it. The napper, kicker, and holder were in their normal position, but the line and everyone else were close to the sideline. The thought was they were trying to catch defenses off guard and pitch the ball over for an easy 2 point conversion. When we lined up in a defense to counter that they would line up for a normal pat. This is what I would think it would be, but with the amount of time and prep that goes into big time college ball that it would be a lot harder to catch people off guard and for it to work, but what do I know.
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Nov 22, 2010 03:47
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And in high school the hash marks are the widest and split the field into thirds.
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Dec 21, 2010 00:26
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Incoherence posted:Can't find a reference to it; might depend on the state. I know Texas high schools use NCAA rules and (as far as I remember) NCAA field markings. You are correct Texas and Massachusetts use NCAA rules and therefore their field markings since that is part of the rules. Every other state uses NFHS rules which are what people call high school rules.
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Dec 21, 2010 01:09
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Simply because they are two different organizations. There is no FIFA style group that oversees football in the US. The NCAA and NFL evolved separately and have their own identities. Also how dare you even think that the college football is a minor league for the NFL. They are scholar athletes who all play for the love of the game damnit!
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Dec 21, 2010 05:02
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I read somewhere that the average NFL career is 3 years. There are a lot of guys who their entire NFL experience is being an undrafted rookie and going to a camp only to get cut.
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Dec 21, 2010 22:46
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Scrotos posted:Ok and each one them has a responsibility of watching one of the eligible receivers corrects? If it is anything like the 7 man crews I have worked on for HS ball this is not the case. I was only an umpire and line judge/head lineman so I can't comment on other positions were taught to que off of. I do know that at umpire I was supposed to que off of the three interior o-linemen and as a LJ/HL I was to watch the player who is furthest out and on the line who may be a tackle or a TE/WR. I also had some responsibility in regards to backs, but that was mainly when I worked 4 man crews. As for the other positions I know the referee watches the QB mainly and the deep guys(SJ, BJ, FJ) all que off of a different receiver. I have never worked as a deep man so I don't remember how they determine who they watch. I know that strength is an important factor but I don't remember exactly how it is used. Again this is from my limited experience reffing HS football. I am sure Trin or some of the other refs can answer it more fully. Your assumption is basically correct, but in reality it works a little differently.
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May 18, 2011 21:48
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Midget Fist posted:Hey, I was wondering, has a gridiron-team always been divided into two teams, offensive and defensive? Or did it start out as one team where everyone played both sides? If so, when did that happen? I tried reading up on it but couldn't find this out, thanks:) I is attached to the unlimited substitutions allowed in football. Originally there were substitution rules similar to those in soccer or rugby, but for the last 40 or so years unlimited substitution has lead to the creation of the two platoon system. Wiki article that gives a little more background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-platoon_system
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Aug 13, 2011 21:52
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BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:I don't watch much college ball, is the three-back pistol type offense Auburn is running an innovation, or is it considered a variation on something? What is that? I will confess to not having watched much Auburn this year, but I can talk about the pistol in general. The pistol guru is Chris Ault who has been at Nevada off and on since 1976. A few years ago(2009 maybe?) Nevada became the first team in NCAA history to have 3 1,000 yard rushers in the same backfield. And they achieved this before Thanksgiving which is about 2 weeks before the season ends. Not many other teams run a the pistol as a true offense like Nevada does, although UCLA has been trying with little success. As far as it being an innovation again I honestly can't say since I haven't watched much Auburn, but I doubt it is that different from what Nevada does. To go on a sidebar innovation is a great thing about college football. In the NFL the offense(and defenses to a lesser degree) are all but identical. Yes individual coaches put their own spin on it, and you do see some innovation like the Wildcat in Miami, but little that is truly different. In college it is a different story. There are so many different styles of offense it is staggering. You have true spread air raids like Houston, the aforementioned pistol at Nevada, triple option teams in GT and the academies, spread option teams like Oregon, power running teams like Wisconsin, and traditional pro set offenses like Alabama. That variety is something I personally really like about the college game.
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Oct 2, 2011 04:23
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Tekopo posted:I just got my tickets to see the Buccs and Bears in London at the end of October: it's going to be the first game I attend since I started becoming a fan of the sport. Is there anything that I should keep an eye out for that is usually not really that evident when watching the games on TVs or any tips about what I should watch out for? Attending a game in person lets you see the entire field. Gives you a good opportunity to actually watch defensive backfield play and wr routes.
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Oct 2, 2011 21:35
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Detective Thompson posted:Perhaps a dumb question, but when offensive yardage is tallied up for a game, it only counts positive yardage, right? Meaning, let's say, a play results in a gain of five, then the next play is a loss of five. So we're on 3rd and 10 to go. The play results in a first down. Only ten yards is going to be added to the total yardage, right, rather than fifteen? Or is it any yards going forward no matter what? Correct. It is possible for a player of team to end up with negative yards. It can get a little complicated since the NFL takes sacks off of passing yards, whereas the NCAA takes them off of rushing yards, but other then that they are identical. So in your second down let's assume it was a running play and the rb got the ball then got hit for -5 yards it would be recorded as: 2nd down Player rush -5 yds And 5 yards would be taken of of his and his team's rushing totals.
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Oct 18, 2011 05:01
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Strange Matter posted:I've been watching College Football lately, and something has been on my mind. Why do college games have such huge scores? I'm regularly seeing games with 50+ points put up, often against teams with far fewer. Is it that it's harder to build a reliable defense with a 4 year turnaround on players, or is there something else? Inequality in team skill. There is a huge gap from top to bottom of even the BCS conferences. You will always get stupid blowouts in college ball. Just part of the game. Also NCAA football is in a bit of an offensive innovation time. With the rise of the spread offense in the past decade it is taking defenses a bit of time to catch up. The pendulum will swing back to the d eventually and scores will come down.
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Oct 22, 2011 20:58
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Gold stars represent the number of years that player has been captain. When they max out on start the c turns gold. The background color is meaningless as far as I know and has more to do with aesthetic decisions based on uniform color I believe.
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Oct 26, 2011 02:35
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Arschlochkind posted:I THINK the whole patch is normally gold in a player's fifth year as a team captain (this is the first year they're doing it), but the different colors are around because of breast cancer awareness currently. It's definitely the C. Look at Bree's patch in this photo. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/photos/_/id/2580/photoId/1565593/drew-brees
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Oct 26, 2011 04:01
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Yeah saying that the LT position isn't important is just wrong. Sure you can get by without a great one, but it is just about the most critical position on the o line. I mean look at player salaries. The second highest paid position behind QB is LT. That isn't be accident.
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Oct 28, 2011 23:52
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JPrime posted:Dunno if it's been explained here previously, but what is a franchise tag? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag
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Sufficient posted:Hi, I've lurked for about two years, just started to post. I grew up in Connecticut, grew up on sports and always loved football... why does Andichu hate the Big East so much? Every other post it seems like he dedicates all of his energy to hating the Big East. Where did this all start and do other former Big East goons feel the same way as him? Also Andichu works in the WVU athletic department and has dealt with the Big East on a different level then the rest of us have. Why don't you go into the conference realignment thread and ask him yourself? He is happy to explain it.
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Jan 26, 2012 02:59
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Sufficient posted:I understand his views (somewhat) currently, but the amount of effort he puts towards it seems like it was a long time coming. Do you think people that work in any conference are as jaded as someone that has worked in politics? Maybe. Especially at the lower levels. He isn't very high up in WV's AD so his interactions with the conference are probably a lot of "yes sir no sir" bullshit.
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Jan 26, 2012 03:29
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spe posted:Who is a good team to hate on? I've picked the chargers and their fuckin shite logo. Arena football isn't big so it is hard to find info on it and stuff. Also the quality of play is very low compared to NFL.
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Jan 28, 2012 15:45
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spe posted:Its cos their logo is loving todge, best one probably the steelers, they're a 1990s telecom company. The Steelers logo is actually a historical logo for steel. The three diamonds represent the three ingredients for steel. Coal, iron ore, and scrap. No joke they stole it from a steel industry group.
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Jan 29, 2012 06:46
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Detective Thompson posted:What I don't get about the Redskins logo is why does the circle that has the Indian's head in it have a feather of it's own? What's the deal with that? It traces back to when Lombardi was the Skins coach. Previous to him being there thye had an indian head logo or the spear logo that was used as throwbacks a few years back. When Lombardi what there in '70 he wanted to give the Skins an iconic logo like the Packers had. So the made an R with a circle around it and arrows coming off the side to invoke more on an indian motif. While that logo was abandon, the circle around the R wasn't. They went back to the indian head logo, but kept the circle. Why they kept it I am not sure, but that is where that circle comes from.
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McKracken posted:They're wider in college And wider still in high school.
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Feb 2, 2012 02:48
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spe posted:How drunk do I get today? A bit wobbly for kickoff then blind drunk during the game, or do I wait till afterwards before properly smashing it in? I think I need to strike a good balance between screaming RUN YA oval office and remembering what happened. Having watched the Super Bowl in varying states of sobriety I suggest mega drunk if at a party and mild buzz if in a smaller gathering. Also the 40 sec clock does start when the previous play ends. When the shorter 25 sec clock is used that doesn't start until the ball is spotted.
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Feb 5, 2012 18:44
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Malloreon posted:The Arena season has begun! Is/will there be a thread? No reason you can't start one. A good enough first post and it would probably take off.
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F201 posted:This is from a while back, and I'm sure everyone's sick of Tebowchat, but what exactly are these reasons? What about college football is so different that an amazing player can go to the NFL and be total garbage? Quality of the players. In college you have 18-21 year old guys who are also going to school(ok only kind of). Also the talent is dispersed. Yeah you get teams like Bama or Miami back in the '80's that stockpiles NFL talent, but by and large that talent is really spread out over 120 D1-A teams. When they get to the NFL every MLB was a stud in college. The talent is concentrated and these guys play football full time. That is all they do is work at getting better at the game. They are all also physically mature at that point. I prefer the college game, but in terms of the quality of play it isn't even close. The NFL wins hands down and that is why college studs can be NFL duds. That and poo poo just happens(lol Ryan Leaf).
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May 28, 2012 16:43
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jeffersonlives posted:Don't think this part is entirely true. It's not difficult at all for a team using a zone running attack to convert to a zone read based spread option (or from a spread option back to a conventional offense with a zone run game), and the personnel isn't very different. Hell, I think the Broncos pulled it off in two weeks. But what happens when Ray Lewis blows him up and you are not only out your starting QB, but also a huge part of your payroll? Yes you can install option offenses in the NFL, but owners and GM's don't like it since it exposes their QB and thus their most expensive/valuable player to a shitload of more hits then sitting in the pockets.
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May 28, 2012 18:35
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k3nn posted:Sorry to quasi-resurrect this discussion, but is an option QB at more risk of injury in the NFL than he is in college? Coach Meyer was clearly happy to use Tebow as a major running threat at Florida, but when he was running a fairly small amount of the time in Denver people talked about how it was a risky move because he might get injured and ruin the offense. Was this just as much of a risk in college but Meyer just didn't care? Or do running QBs in the NFL actually get injured more frequently than pass-first QBs? Yes they are more likely to get injured, or at least it is perceived that way. NFL defenders are bigger, faster, and play football full time compared to their college compatriots. The logic is that they hit way harder and are more likely to hurt people. Also in the NFL the qb is the highest paid position on the field. When you invest that much money in one player you want to see results not have him sit on the sideline. Weather or not the injury thing is true it is perceived as a truth in the NFL so much that it will take a big change to have people think a run first qb is a good idea.
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Odovaucer posted:College football is not exactly "just go out there and have fun". There is still a tremendous amount invested. I suspect it has more to do with there being less of a drop off between starting quarterbacks and reserves in college. I would disagree with your second point. Many teams are basically screwed if their starting QB goes down. A few years back Dennis Dixon destroying his knee cost the Ducks a Pac10 championship and shot at the national title. To be honest I think it is just a culture thing. Like I said the NFL places a high level of value on a starting quarterback, and sees the option as unnecessary risk. Since there are so many more NCAA teams there is much more opportunity for a coach with an oddball offense to thrive. The variety of different offensive and defensive schemes is part of why I prefer college football to the NFL.
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Pron on VHS posted:Gotta drive back home my man. No real public transit or cabs in northern VA. This is what girlfriends and wives are for. Built in DD. Well that and sex.
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Declan MacManus posted:Defense is always reactive so there's not much you can do to obfuscate intent without getting burned. Closest thing would be a zone blitz. Dropping pass rushers into coverage and putting coverage guys closer to the line to blitz are probably the only "misleading" plays on defense. In that sense any sort of blitz involving a defensive back would probably be considered a "trick" play. Man I remember a few years back watching Hawaii drop all 4 of their linemen into coverage. I had to go back and rewatch the play like a million time giggling like a little school girl.
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swickles posted:That sounds hilarious, anything on youtube/whatever you can link? I have looked many times and never found anything. Wish I had thought/knew how to pull it off my dvr back then. I wouldn't have though it was real, except my roommate saw it too and we watched it again the next day for maximum hilarity. And the best part of watching Hawaii is that if it is a home game it kicks off at like midnight east coast time, meaning starting with the noon games you get like 15 straight hours of football on a Saturday. Is it football season yet?
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Jul 26, 2012 07:01
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Chichevache posted:So during last nights Seahawks game after Russell Wilson came out of the game in the third quarter I saw him on the sidelines with both elbows wrapped entirely in ice. I've never seen that before so I wanted to make sure, that's standard protocol for a qb after the game, right? And if so, why was it both elbows and not just his throwing arm? I have seen a decent number of QB's do this, but not even a majority. It is probably SOP for some guys who have historic elbow injuries/like how it feels but not others.
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Zone of Danger posted:So I was reading that the officials gave the Packers the wrong type of ball last night when they were attempting their 2-point conversion. Obviously not their biggest complaint from the evening, but why do they use a different ball for kicking downs as opposed to passing downs? Could the center have requested a different ball in that situation? Also, wouldn't this add to the difficulty of faking kick plays? I assume they are easier to kick or something, but it seems like it would cause some problems even if the right type of ball was always in play. A few years ago the Cowboys lost a game on a botched snap on a FG attempt that Romo blamed on the ball. They use new balls that are takier for kicking to help out the holders because of this.
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jeffersonlives posted:Nah that's not it. Kickers were doctoring balls for competitive advantages so they now have the league control the kicking balls. Happened in the late-90s when Romo was in high school. I remember the "K-balls" being talked about a lot after that game. My memory was that they were new at the time, but I am probably wrong.
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