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Okay, how the schedule works is slightly odd since the season is only 16 games long, but here's how it works. We'll use the Buffalo Bills as an example. 6 games - The play each other team in their division twice (the Jets, Patriots and Dolphins) 4 games - They play all 4 teams in one of the 3 other divisions in their conference. For 2010, it's the AFC North, and rotates every year (in 2009 they played the AFC South and 2008 was the AFC West's turn). 4 games - They play all 4 teams in one of the 4 divisions in the opposing conference. For this year it's the NFC North. Last year was the NFC South, and in 2008 the NFC West. 2 games - These are the strength of schedule balancing games. They play the two teams in divisions in their conference that finished in the same spot they did (dead last), that aren't in the AFC North, since they're already playing that team. So this year, the Bills will be playing fellow basement dwellers in the Jaguars from the AFC South and Chiefs from the AFC West. This method of making the schedule started when the divisions were realigned in 2002 and means that every team will play every other team at least every 4 years, and will visit every other team's stadium at least every 8 years.
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Doppelganger posted:I only got into football during the 2008 season, so I'm glad to see a thread like this. I'm sure I'll have plenty of random rear end questions to contribute, like this one: The main thing you lose is being able to run convincing play action, as well as generally making running plays less desirable. Also, the snap has more of a chance to be botched, and some centers/qb's are really, really bad at handling it. Damien Woody way back in the day was the center for the Patriots, but couldn't long snap, so they didn't use the formation for a few years.
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sc0tty posted:Out of curiosity, what makes the Texans exciting at the moment? Why the pre-hype? They have probably the best young WR in football, who's just a joy to watch. They have a, I think we can still call him "underrated", very solid QB in Matt Schaub. Their defense showed marked improvements last year, and has some solid young talent. Basically, they're pretty similar to what the Arizona Cardinals were from oh... 2005-2008 or so. EVENTUALLY it'll happen!
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Okay, let's start with how the salary cap and current CBA came to be. Until 1957, professional sports leagues operated under the reserve rule which meant any player signed was under a lifetime contract with that team. This was struck down by the supreme court in '57, and until '63, the owners simply had a gentleman's agreement to not sign other team's free agents. The Colts owner signed away a player from the 49'ers, breaking the agreement and leading to Pete Rozelle instating the Rozelle Rule in '63. During the '50's the reverse order draft began as well, an important part of future competitive balance arguments. The Rozelle Rule allowed the commissioner to compensate a team that lost a free agent to another team by taking draft picks and players from the receiving team when they signed a free agent. The commissioner tried to eliminate players from changing teams by awarding excessive compensation to teams. From '63-'76 when the Rozelle Rule was eliminated, 176 players attempted free agency, 34 players signed with different teams as free agents, and only 4 involved compensation disputes that resulted in the Rozelle Rule being used. Rozelle also ended cash for player trades which were a major issue for competitive balance. Also of note, that this period of time is when revenue sharing started, with the home teams giving a 10-20% split (10% for the NFC, 20% for the AFC) of gate revenue for games to the road teams. In 1976, John Mackey sued the league and had the Rozelle Rule struck down due to anti-trust violations. The NFLPA then negotiated a replacement to prevent free agency that replaced the commissioner's discretion with a set formula for reimbursement. The NFLPA was able to secure health care coverage and retirement benefits in this agreement, however, this version of free agency was more restrictive then the "Rozelle Rule" method, with only 3 players changing teams due to it from '77-'88. In 1982, the players attempted to strike, which lasted for two months into the season, and sued the league for further violations of anti-trust. However, due to the NFLPA negotiations in '76, the players lost, and were faced with the option of receiving free agency only by ending the current collective bargaining agreement (CBA) and disbanding the NFLPA. In 1987, the players struck again, and disbanded the NFLPA and reformed it as a separate professional organization, ending the current CBA, and sued the NFL for anti-trust exemptions. This resulted in a new CBA in 1988 and "Plan B" free agency. This allowed teams to have a 37 player reserve list out of the 47 man roster. Players on this list were not allowed to sign with another team without giving their original team the right to match the contract. Furthermore, if the team refused to match the contract, the receiving team had to compensate with draft picks. In 1992-1993 a series of court cases resulted in eight players suing the NFL for anti-trust violations and won. (On a side note, the Jury pool for this case started with a pool of 41 people and got down to 9, all women, after eliminating everyone who had union ties or argued that professional athletes / owners made too much money.) The CBA for the 1993 season saw the owners argue for and win the Salary Cap. This CBA also notably set NFL player contracts to be non-guaranteed and that players could be released at any point during the off season at no penalty to the team and introduced the rules for franchise and transition players. The 1993 CBA set the salary cap to a percentage of the defined gross revenue (DGR), which included ticket, merchandise and the newly consolidated national TV contracts. For 1994, the first year of the salary cap, this was $34.6 million. The percentage of the DGR applied to the salary cap slowly increased to 65.5% by 2005, when the latest CBA took effect. This CBA changed from the DGR model to a total team revenue model, which saw the salary cap increase from $85.5 million in 2005 to $102 million for 2006, and increased by roughly 1% of team revenue per year, resulting in the $128 million Salary Cap last season. Also relative to the salary cap is the salary floor, which was initially set at approximately 80% of the salary cap, and increased per year, until it was scheduled to be 90% of the salary cap by 2011. _________________ Super short version: gently caress the owners. Okay, time to work, but I'll try to add to this as I can, or someone else can add in the rookie pool information and other aspects of the CBA. I probably also forgot and glossed over some things here and there if anyone wants to add anything they can think of. Kalli fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jul 14, 2010 |
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Groucho Marxist posted:All of the Chiefs signings so far have had guaranteed roster bonuses instead of signing bonuses. This would probably be really interesting if I knew anything about NFL contracts. Anyone care to explain? Signing bonuses are spread out as a cap hit over the length of a contract, whereas roster bonuses are applied to the year they're given out. Since there's no salary cap this year, but almost assured to be one next year, you can give out roster bonuses in lieu of signing bonuses to move costs to this season. Also of note, that the year the roster bonus is applied based on the date it's supposed to be paid and manipulating these numbers can move it between years. So, I wouldn't be surprised if some amount of those roster bonuses aren't technically setup to be paid out next march - april where it would still account against this year's non-existent cap. Also, roster bonuses don't have to be paid if you cut the player before it's scheduled to be paid, so teams can hedge their bets a bit that way. Of course, getting a top draft pick to agree to taking those over a big signing bonus.....
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The reason why you never ever wanted to run a 4 yard pass play in the olden days was due to these rules not existing: 1974 - Roll-blocking and cutting of wide receivers was eliminated; the extent of downfield contact a defender could have with an eligible receiver was restricted. 1977 - Emphasis added towards blows to receivers heads. Defenders were permitted to make contact with eligible receivers only once; the head slap was outlawed; 1978 - Rules changes permitted a defender to maintain contact with a receiver within five yards of the line of scrimmage, but restricted contact beyond that point. 1980 - Rules changes placed greater restrictions on contact in the area of the head, neck, and face. Under the heading of "personal foul," players were prohibited from directly striking, swinging, or clubbing on the head, neck, or face. Starting in 1980, a penalty could be called for such contact whether or not the initial contact was made below the neck area. Note that spearing remained legal until 1996. In the olden days, a short pass was a license to have your receiver's neck seperated from his body.
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DO YALL WANT A HAM posted:Welker had given up on the play, the pass had been batted down already. And Clark's an awful player because he thinks he's doing something good & right instead of stupid & needlessly dangerous It was called a personal foul anyway (though ruled not-illegal in the fining stage), then they just changed the rules anyway and it's illegal now regardless.
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Trin Tragula posted:Not really, but the NFL uniform rules literally go on for over 10 pages and visors are somewhere next to the rule that says how much white your The rule change summary sites I know of have them being banned outside of medical reasons from '98 on. Two examples: http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/index.nsf/Documents/0-rules http://www.steelersfever.com/nfl_history_of_rules.html
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SteelAngel2000 posted:The easiest thing would be to eliminate the two same place games (The two unique games every team plays every year due to their finishing spots in their divisions the previous year), and simply play another whole division. I think a better idea would be to add more parity, make those two extra games against same ranked opponents in the opposite conference divisions and rotate those 3 divisions. So the Chargers would then play: AFCW x 6 AFCS x 4 NFCW x 4 Patriots Bengals Vikings Cowboys It'd increase parity way more and give the NFL a ton more awesome games. For Comparison, the last place Chiefs would end up with: AFCW x 6 AFCS x 4 NFCW x 4 Bills Browns Redskins Lions Now that's parity!
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Huh, yeah, that's a weird one and it's the same way for passing offense. It doesn't look to be any combination of attempts + sacks to yards either, maybe need to add sack yards, but I don't think that'd fix those numbers either. ESPN has the same stat listed straight up as Yards per Pass attempt, and they match NFL.com's. Okay I solved it. It's passing yards given up + sack yards / Pass attempts (It is almost 3 am, but this seems retarded to me). 1) Why is it adding the sack yards instead of subtracting? 2) Why is it not counting sacks as part of total attempts then? Double Edit for 3am: It's because it is being very literal. The passing yards allowed stat already has the sack yards removed from it already, so the Yards per pass attempt stat is trying to literally calculate that, without the sack yardage being removed. Kalli fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Oct 9, 2010 |
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SteelAngel2000 posted:I want to see Belichick in a suit  The other dude rocking it is Pepper Johnson.
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Here are the exact NFL rules for tiebreakers: TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined. Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. 12. Coin toss Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format). 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. 12. Coin toss ================== And for the Wildcard: TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken. 1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker. 2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps. Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head, if applicable. 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. 4. Strength of victory. 5. Strength of schedule. 6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best net points in conference games. 9. Best net points in all games. 10. Best net touchdowns in all games. 11. Coin toss. Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.) 1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants. 2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in conference games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. 12. Coin toss When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.
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Xeras posted:So I thought that when a player on the field lost his helmet the play was blown dead, but that didn't happen in the Packers/Vikings game. Does this rule only apply to the ballcarrier? You are correct.
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You'll also occasionally see a defensive lineman or linebacker or even reserve offensive lineman at fullback or TE. Usually they're terrible at it, but there you go.
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A lot of the best and most athletic college players end up as career special teamers who play for 2-4 years off and on and end up being cut and replaced by the best and most athletic college players a year or two down the line.
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drunk leprechaun posted:I read somewhere that the average NFL career is 3 years. There are a lot of guys who their entire NFL experience is being an undrafted rookie and going to a camp only to get cut. Yeah, you can take 80 players to training camp. Of those, you end up with a 53 man roster (of which only 45 can be active on any gameday), and an 8 person practice squad. Considering injuries and such, you basically have 3-400 guys who careers essentially end every August, and about twice that that bounce around between practice squads, end up inactive on a roster or play in a handful of games or end up on IR with injuries real or imagined.
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Chilly McFreeze posted:For it to not be intentional grounding, the QB has to be outside of the tackle box, and the pass must go beyond the line of scrimmage. And if the QB is not being pressured by a defender. (A lot of people forget / don't know about this part of it).
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JaMarcus could throw a football 200 yards while lying flat on his chest.
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Dramatika posted:To continue this subject - When the Jets and Giants play each other in NY, would anyone know if they both use their separate home locker rooms, or would one of them have to use the visitor room? Good question, I presume they might use the visitor's locker room so they can go directly to their sidelines / etc as the visiting team.
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Yeah, I don't think there's any correlation to pass attempts and play regressing beyond teams that throw a poo poo ton do so because they're losing, but that's pretty much a chicken from the egg thing.
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When the Jaguars and Panthers started they had a straight up expansion draft from teams to start. Basically every other team picked 6 players, and each time an expansion team selected one of those players from a team, that team then protected one of its remaining players on its expansion list. Each NFL team could lose no more than 3 players. Also in the normal draft, the Panthers / Jags alternated the 1st / 2nd pick in each round. This, due to some really talented front office people / miracles, led to those two teams owning bones and reaching the championship games in their 2nd year. Then they removed the expansion draft portion of it and welp, Texans and Browns. Of important note is the salary cap was tiny back then, so a whole lot of teams left underperforming mid-upper range paid guys unprotected that the panthers / jags pounced on. Kalli fucked around with this message at 03:27 on May 24, 2011 |
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Makarov_ posted:Were Jags and Panthers able to sign FA's and practice squad players before the expansion draft? As I recall the expansion draft happened first in February, before free agency started (like a week or two after the Pro Bowl). I don't believe they had any players until then.
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They changed it to 5 players from each team were available for the Browns / Texans, but the increased salary cap and I think they allowed players not on the active roster to be listed, leading to a gigantic pile of poo poo for those two teams to pick from.
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They did have a running back named Joe in the late 60's, but I'm pretty reasonably certain that's not him.
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MacGyvers_Mullet posted:What's the quality like on the NFL's Game Rewind service? I have an HDMI-out port on my video card that outputs to my HDTV at 1080p, so I'd like to avoid having to actually shell out $60/month for cable/spend nearly $400 for a DirectTV Sunday ticket subscription if I can. Beats non-HD by a good bit, but there is noticeable motion blur, though still images are quite crisp, especially as you go above 20 inches. It looks fine, but if you're picky, you'll probably want to aim higher. Looks fine at standard size, like this maxed out on my monitor, and a fair bit more noticeable when I stream to my 50 inch screen: 
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Yup yup. I just get that blur when serious action occurs and wanted to make sure I didn't oversell it to you. And yeah, being able to watch the last two years is quite nice.
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Fines usually. Mangini was fined $125k in 2009 for repeated violations about Favre in '08. Belichick takes the piss out of it a bit by always listing Brady as probable. I believe the rules were changed a few years back where if a player missed any part of a practice during the week, they had to be listed on the injury report, and Brady is almost always given time off practice early in the week.
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Chifley posted:Is there anywhere I can look up the historical homefield advantage? Pro-football-reference's search tool owns a lot. For example, here's every team's record at home since 2000 (the ties are unplayed games from this season), also click on the column headers to sort. http://www.pro-football-reference.c...er_by=game_date Ranges from Patriots: 72-19 to Lions: 35-57.
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Hockles posted:Why does the QB line up as a wideout in the Wildcat formation? Why not put a WR there? Is it to fool the defense coming out of the huddle? Correct. If you saw the QB run off and a no-pass package sub in, you're going to switch to a near goal line defensive package (they have to let you sub if they sub).
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Four of them were one score losses, so really it just tells us how hilariously the Saints sodomized them. Five teams have managed worse then a -250 point differential for a season by the way, with the '76 Buccaneers being the heavyweight champions, managing -280 in 14 games.
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Doppelganger posted:Where does "turn left nooo" come from? Helldump a few years back. Noted creepy rear end poster Deek changed his name to a joke about Dale Earnhardt's death "Turn Left Dale, Noooooo". It was really loving funny and has become a bit of a meme since then.
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Basically it was dug up that there's a number of videos out there and information on swinger and fetish websites that match up with Rex and his wife, and when the New York media pounced, he admitted it. And yeah, the videos were of the two of them doing foot fetish stuff apparently.
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Yeah, pretty much. Part of it is he admitted it, and it's so ridiculous and over the top that outside of bad puns, what can you really say? Dude just likes feet and kinky sex. 
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C-Euro posted:I'm seriously considering cancelling my cable, but my only hangup is that I'll no longer be able to watch football (really the only thing I watch on it these days). What are some routes for watching football that don't go through me having basic cable (and won't offset the ~ $70-$80/month that I'll be saving)? Well, if nothing else, hook up an antenna and get everything besides MNF / TNF over the air. The feed's HD and perfectly fine, you're stuck with local market choices, but hey, you were anyway. Beyond that, hook your pc up to your TV, play Adaz's stream roulette and watch some ripping and tearing low res football.
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There's also a defensive play the Patriots started using against Peyton Manning that's come into some vogue in obvious passing situations. Everyone but the cornerbacks and deep safety just muddle in a cloud before the snap. Just constantly shifting around, not getting set, and at the snap then take their assignments. It prevents QB's from calling out protections and confuses blockers. Of course if you're in a position where you can just run the ball against this front, well...
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JRizzle posted:Arthur Jones on the Ravens is another sibling. Yeah, before the Ravens game, ESPN had all three in a room talking. They are a pretty ridiculously gifted family. Unlike the Gronkowskis where every story just makes me think the dad was a sociopath.
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Pron on VHS posted:Can someone with a PFF subscription break down what it comes with? Okay, what you get is: Yes to your above questions, though trying to look at past year's data sucks. You can also do things like pull up receptions / thrown at per game by receivers, as well as reception charts like this (I know the passing versions have been shown before):  You can also pull up individual game rankings for most of these stats. For quarterbacks you can pull up their passing under pressure page as well. Defensive stats are a bit murkier, but here's what that looks like:  I don't believe tackles for losses are available btw. At the end of the day, I personally don't believe it's worth paying for, but to each their own.
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Okay, sounds good. First off, the funny story first. In 1981 the Patriots hosted the Cowboys on MNF, and the game and fans were different then. Much rowdier, much drunker, much less corporate as my uncle, a guy who had season tickets for 30 years, told me anyway. Anyway, the fans were sauced, many fights broke out in the stands, and between that and a ludicrous number of DUI arrests throughout the morning after the game, the town of Foxborough and the league agreed to ban MNF games indefinitely, finally lifting it 15 years later, coincidentally right after Bill Parcells had turned the team around and gotten them into the playoffs. *cough* As for how Kraft ended up with the team... The 80's were a comparatively turbulent time for the NFL in general anyway, which saw a large number of franchises change hands, as the merely rather wealthy owners started to get priced out and were replaced by the obscene Jerry Jones types, thanks to a combination of factors including the USFL's rise and fall, and the player's actually wanting to be paid. The Sullivans had owned the team, but went into severe debt in the late 80's due to a failed Michael Jackson tour they backed. The league vetoed their plan to save their ownership, by selling off 50% of the team to the public, as if there's one thing NFL owners can agree on is not allowing teams to exist without them. As such, the Sullivans were forced to sell the team to Victor Kiam in 1988, while allowing Sullivan stadium (old Foxborough stadium) to go into bankruptcy, which was then purchased by Robert Kraft. At this point, the team was declining from its '86 Superbowl appearance, and totally collapsed in '89. Then a group of players decided to sexually harass a reporter, Lisa Olsen, in the locker room, starting off a wonderful scandal to which Victor Kiam decided to chip in and call Olsen a classic bitch. As you can imagine, Kiam was a remarkably well liked fellow and he then quickly sold the team to James Orthwein in '92 so he could move the team to St. Louis. Orthwein decided to rebrand the team, retiring Pat Patriot, flushing the front office and hiring Parcells, and drafting Drew Bledsoe. At this point, Orthwein tried to break the lease to the stadium, which Kraft owned, but was refused. After a bunch of namecalling by proxies, Orthwein auctioned off the Patriots and Kraft bought the team.
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