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SkunkDuster posted:Does a quarterback have any special protection if he is trying to stop a cornerback from advancing an interception? no no no no
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CanUSayGym posted:I have a question that I didn't know that there was a thread to post about in on SA. Because Collins clearly had control of the ball. It was not a shared possession situation. He had the ball on his stomach with his arms wrapped around it. The receiver made a weak attempt to knock the ball away, but never had more than a hand on it. If the roles had been reversed, it would have been an uncontroversial reception.
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Cruel and Unusual posted:Would weight classes be feasible and/or a good idea in football? You're not the first to consider it. The St. Louis Republic, February 05, 1905 quote:Jack Wilbur, coach of the Christian Brothers’ College, makes a novel suggestion toward eliminating mass play in football, although there is little likelihood of its being accepted. He says: 175 pounds average for a team seems pretty reasonable. 
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TreFitty posted:My wife wants to watch a football game with me - specifically the Seahawks tomorrow. Her co-workers know all about the game, the team, etc. and wear Seahawks things on Fridays. I know next to nothing about football beyond most of the rules (as I played it a ton as a kid). We want to watch live, but that seems to require cable tv, which we don't have. Is there anything I can use with an apple tv and iPad combo to make this happen? It looks like even the NFL doesn't want this to work even if you pay them. Any search terms you can suggest or specific sites or whatever? I'm not sure if this is the right thread or not... http://goatd.net/ Make sure your ad blockers are up to date.
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SkunkDuster posted:What was the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against Cincinnati at the end of the ARI-CIN game last night? I get that it has something to do with the defense calling out Palmer's cadence, but I don't understand what that means at all. Didn't see it, but the defense isn't allowed to shout out fake signals to confuse the offense and make them jump. Perhaps that was it.
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Nov 23, 2015 17:06
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CannonFodder posted:Here's a hypothetical: The NFL has new PAT rules where a placekick is snapped from the 15 and a 2 point attempt is from the 2. What if a team lines up with a standard offense at the 2 but then the QB drop kicks the ball ala Flutie? What if they line up with a jumbo set and the QB drops to a knee before the snap, QB acts as holder and the RB kicks it through ala Chad Johnson in preseason that one time? If they try a kick from the 2 it's just a touchback and the conversion fails. No goal allowed from that distance. Offense has to specify what it's going to do when the ball is RFP, which determines where it's placed. They can't change their minds unless there's a penalty.
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Nov 24, 2015 05:45
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Cole posted:How would a defensive penalty* affect the distance if it happened on the extra point field goal attempt if the offense decided to go for two after the penalty?  They get to choose again. They can take the penalty from the 15 and kick, or take it from the 2 and run/pass.
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I have my own rules question for Trin: It involves the distinction between the two definitions for a receiver demonstrating possession of the ball. A receiver catching the ball in stride is easy, a receiver catching the ball while diving is more complicated but still fairly straightforward. What about the edge case of a stumbling receiver? The way I have often seen this called seems to be that a stumbling runner is in a sort of limbo until the situation resolves itself. If he regains his balance, it's case 1, if he eventually falls to the ground it's case 2. However, I haven't followed this sort of situation systematically enough to be able to tell if it's a real thing or not. It would explain some rulings I've seen: last year a Michigan receiver caught the ball near the hash stumbling, took 4 or 5 steps trying to regain his balance, but never did. At the end of it he dove and stretched the ball out for the first down line, finally contacting the ground and losing the ball when he hit. It was ruled incomplete, upheld on review. Similarly, the Wisconsin touchdown that was taken away last Saturday involved a receiver hit as he caught the ball who then stumbled across the end zone for a few steps and finally fell down, losing the ball when he did. It was called a touchdown on the field, then overruled on review. My question: Do refs have any rules or guidelines for making this kind of call, or is it just up to the refs on site to use their own judgment? I like understanding why refs call what they do.
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Nov 24, 2015 18:41
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Trin Tragula posted:The stumbling receiver is still an edge case that doesn't have any specific guidance.. It's the sort of thing that happens rarely enough that it takes a while for anyone to realise that it's even a situation that needs addressing, so there's a gap in philosophy that could use filling. Here's two plays I've seen from recent games: I agree with you on those calls. The first looks like he gains possession on his feet, then initiates the dive for the pylon himself - the defender is mostly along for the ride. The second one looked like a very unambiguous incompletion - he was obviously going to the ground while making the catch and had to maintain control after hitting the ground to demonstrate possession, and didn't. Anyway, thanks for the reply. I don't like making a bad call accusation without understanding what criteria the ref was using to make the call, or how he was supposed to be applying them. I've seen numerous catches where the receiver doesn't go down immediately, but staggers for a step or two first. Usually he hangs onto the ball so it's not an issue, but I was wondering how wide the "process of the catch" window extended and at what point he turns into a runner stumbling with possession of the ball. "I know it when I see it" seems to be the standard, which will have to do.
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axeil posted:Speaking of the "palpably unfair acts" clause, has it ever been called in the NFL or NCAA? It's like this mysterious call that I know exists but I've never seen...like clipping. Most famous example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSteCSinjTs The referees awarded a touchdown for the palpably unfair act. ETA: This:  was legal at the time and not penalized, but the rule was changed shortly thereafter. Refs can now award the field goal for goaltending like that. ED2: Clipping is an interesting example, as it was the "targeting" of its day. It had been officially illegal but rarely enforced until artificial turf became popular. Then suddenly there were scads of career-ending knee injuries and the powers that be decided to crack down on it. For a while in the '70s virtually every play had a clipping penalty, as the refs flagged anything that looked even close to one. It took a few years (and fans screamed about "what the hell is a clip, anyway?" and bitched about terrible refs ruining the game), but eventually players got out of the habit of doing it and coaches stopped teaching it. The result is that you almost never see clipping calls any more. I suspect in a few years Targeting will be the same sort of thing. Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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SkunkDuster posted:When quarterbacks call out stuff on the line, they always sound very gruff and manly. Are there any NFL quarterbacks that have soft feminine voices or a gay lisp or anything like that? I'm talking about the pre-snap shouting, not interviews and such. Interesting article on that subject here. quote:Monahan went on to say that a quarterback's low voice on the line of scrimmage can tell the opposing line that he's not rattled, and it makes the players on his team listen up. Also, J. T. Barrett had to get voice lessons to make his voice deeper: quote:This is Barrett's team now, with Meyer saying he needed to have faith in Barrett's "command" of the team to give him freedom at the line. In addition to the machismo and authority of a low voice, crowd noise tends to be higher pitched. A deliberately low voice cuts through it and is easier to hear. So having a low voice is an asset for a quarterback, and must be cultivated if it isn't naturally low enough.
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Trin Tragula posted:Just found out that back in September, in Georgia, they had a successful That rule actually predates the change to Rugby in 1876 - it was part of the original football game they played. The NCAA got rid of the fair catch in the '50s, so the free kick rule went with it. A couple years later they decided it was a very bad idea and put the fair catch back in, but did not add the free kick clause along with it. Spoilsports. 
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Cole posted:How come networks don't switch to the next game that is coming on when the current game is well in hand? Like if a game starts a 4 and runs until 7:30, and team A is beating team B by 45 points, why not just flip over to the game that is supposed to start at 7 instead of making us tune in 30 minutes late? Heidi: The Little Girl Who Changed Football Forever Miraculous comebacks do happen in the last minutes of games. Cutting away just in time for a team to pull one out is not conducive to happy fans. People are much less angry about missing the first few minutes of a game rather than the last few, whatever the score.
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Adrenalist posted:What do star ratings for college football prospects actually mean? It seems strange to me that some 3* prospects will get offers from top schools--shouldn't the top schools have access to enough talent where they'd never have to sign a 3*? (except at, like, kicker or if they had to sign someone's brother too, I guess.) My understanding is that the ratings represent a rough probability that the player will be a starter before he graduates. It's an educated guess. Good coaches can recognize a diamond in the rough. A 3* prospect that has a lot of growing to do and technique to learn can become a great player. Also, teams need practice squads and substitutes, and there are only so many 5* to go around.
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Serotonin posted:Do I have any songs to learn about shoving flags up his arse? Are these people more civil than English soccer fans? Fun fact: General William T. Sherman burned Atlanta in the Civil War, then became the first superintendent of Louisiana State University. That's a pretty good hook for Atlanta fans to hate New Orleans.
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Sash! posted:What is the logic behind counting a sack as lost passing yards in the NFL? It presupposes that the tackle behind the line defeated a pass in the first place, when there's not really any way to tell if the QB was actually running a pass play. 99+% of the time in the NFL when a quarterback is caught behind the LOS it's while he's attempting to pass the ball. Quarterback runs are rare, and they usually are the result of a scramble that goes for positive yardage. Thus, counting a sack against passing yardage is reasonable since it was almost certainly a pass play. Read option plays are starting to appear, but they're still not common. College football has a lot more running quarterbacks and expecting scorers everywhere to be able to tell accurately and reliably just what the play was supposed to be makes it more complicated. Thus sacks are counted against rushing yards just for the sake of simplicity and uniformity.
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Adrenalist posted:Why is playing D-Line so much more tiring than O-Line? My understanding is that D-Line players are the 'explosive' ones on pass plays (trying to kill the guy in front of them to get to the QB) and O-Line guys are the ones exploding on run plays (trying to pancake their guy to open up a lane), so shouldn't it even out? The two big examples of this I can think of are an interview with an o-lineman who played for Chip Kelly at Oregon and later for the Eagles; he said he loved the hurry up because he was facing off against people who were completely out of breath and ruined by the 7th or 8th play of a hurry up drive. Shouldn't he be gassed too? More obviously, players are considered freaks if they don't sub off the d-line during a drive (e.g. Dontari Poe or Suh), but o-lines don't ever substitute except for injury. The offensive players know the play that's coming. They know who has to really bust it and who's going to be off the play. They can pace themselves. The OC can move plays around to stress different players and let others catch a rest. The defense, on the other hand, has no idea where the play is coming. Every player has to bust his rear end off the line on every play - and much of that effort is wasted as the play goes a different direction. If a guy dogs it for one play to catch his breath, he may be the man to block to spring a big play. Mental fatigue is a big part of it, too. Constantly trying to figure out where the play is going and who should be where with what assignments pre-snap is tough. Being in the wrong defensive formation and confusion as to who's covering whom is also a large contributor.
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Badfinger posted:The best way to follow the draft is don't watch a single second of it unless your team is a Top 5 pick, because all the coverage is insufferable. Get the results at the end of the weekend and then read draft coverage from smart, reputable sources, by which I mean not any network. This is wisdom. Ignore anything and everything related to sports that isn't actual games. Talking heads of any kind will rot your brain and make you enjoy sports less.
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Sash! posted:Why does the first pick in the draft still use all their time on the clock? What are they doing in those minutes that they didn't do in the weeks beforehand? There aren't 100 cameras and an army of breathless commentators awaiting their pronouncement weeks beforehand. The draft is a media event. It's more about advertising the league. If it was just about choosing players they could do it in a conference room.
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Sash! posted:I can't imagine it would be legal. That's the whole sort of thing they got rid of back in the people keep dying and Teddy Roosevelt is pissed days. Yanking a guy on your own team around so he doesn't go down seems very "mass play." Yeah, they've loosened up the assisting the runner rule a little bit by allowing teammates to push from behind (the "Bush Push" ruling), but otherwise the runner is on his own - precisely for the reasons you specify. Runners would be pushed, pulled, carried, even thrown over the line prior to 1910, resulting in horrific injuries. It's "legal" in the end zone only because the play is over and the ball is dead once it crosses the goal line, and thus the assistance is rendered after the play.
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Kalli posted:He wasn't insane, he was just droll and tried to make esoteric references to things mid-football game and name drop people from the 1970's which is good when you can distill it down to "Matriculate the ball down the field" and bad when instead you get: What I remember was that he tried way too hard to be clever and just came off as pretentious and boring. He was painful to listen to because his comments weren't actually very clever or insightful, just dumb. He didn't actually seem to like football very much. He was just a name, and it showed.
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algebra testes posted:What was the story with Michigan/Rutgers? Like, this is a serious beatdown with fake extra point conversions in the first half and going for it on fourth and goal with a 30 point lead... ? The story is that Rutgers is embarrassingly bad and quit in the first quarter. Michigan set a school record for rushing touchdowns, they hardly threw the ball at all and Rutgers couldn't tackle 4th string freshmen. They didn't get a first down until there were 9 minutes left in the game. Michigan could have scored 150 if they'd wanted to.
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JoelJoel posted:I watched some football this weekend for the first time in years. I noticed the following items that were pink: You're supposed to be aware of breast cancer now. If you aren't, you need to watch more football.
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swickles posted:So last nights game made me think of an interesting scenario, anyone know how this gets resolved? I would assume it's game over. Both teams have had a possession, and team B leads. The interception was a change of possession and technically ended the game right there. ETA: I don't think the game actually ends until the play is over, however. A modification of your scenario would be B intercepts the ball, and rather than going down tries to run it back. B fumbles the ball and A recovers on the run and returns it for a touchdown, giving A the game. Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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swickles posted:Possession has changed, but I don't know if the rules specify that in this instance the free kick must be performed since its possible for the score to change. In the case that the safety wins the game for a team, they can elect to not field the ball, because unlike a place kick, a free kick is not recoverable by the kicking team. But in this case, the safety does not win the game for the team scoring, so that is why I wonder if the free kick has to be done. As analogy, if a game is won on a TD as time expires, the extra point must be kicked even if the outcome of the game cannot be changed by making it, missing it, or having it returned for a point. I am wondering if the free kick falls under that type of rule set. from here: Note 1: If the second team loses possession by an interception or fumble, the down will be permitted to run to its conclusion, but if the second team’s possession has legally ended with the fumble recovery or interception, any subsequent action will not affect the outcome of the game. (If the change of possession occurs in the second team’s end zone, the score counts.) Looks like they would not do the kick as that would affect the outcome of the game. In my modified scenario above, looks like the TD wouldn't count, either.
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Grittybeard posted:This doesn't answer any questions but I swear I remember some super old NFL highlight where a fan snuck onto the field and actually played defense on a goal line pass and no one noticed. November 3, 1961 - Boston Patriots vs. the Dallas Texans http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/fan-runs-on-the-field-joins-patriots-defense-080714 The guy batted down a pass in the end zone and won the game. The Patriots have been cheaters right from the start. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEjh2EVLD-s
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Found this NYT article which was the basis for the above story: A Team’s Ragtag Roots - Early Patriots Were a Comical Traveling Sideshow  A fun look at life in the AFL.
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ulmont posted:Yeah, sorry if that wasn't clear. If you kick it from the closer distance, it's not allowed. The point is simply no good. It must be kicked from the 15. I believe you can still run it in for two from the 15, though, if the snap was flubbed or something.
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Ron Jeremy posted:The Raiders went 6-0 in their division and 2-8 outside their division. Should they have won a playoff spot? Of course. Not much point in having divisions if they don't mean anything. Wild cards pick up the slack for divisions with several good teams.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Can an ineligible receiver catch a backwards pass or a lateral? That's a trick question, as there are no ineligible receivers for a backward or lateral pass. The ineligible receiver rule applies only to forward passes.
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Volkerball posted:This is pure nonsense. Vick's ranch was in Virginia, probable cause for the raid were the testimonies of a dogfighting informant, and a drug dealer who lived in the ranch getting arrested and talking, both of whom were in Virginia, and the operation was run by Virginia state police. The Feds got involved because his operation crossed state lines. He was primarily prosecuted in federal court on racketeering charges related to gambling, to which he made a plea deal. There were separate in-state animal cruelty charges that he also pled to.
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No Safe Word posted:A large part of that is because the risk/reward usually says "just punt it". It's not that they couldn't make 65+ yarders given multiple tries, it's just that it's generally a terrible coaching decision to actually attempt it. The rule that on a miss, the opponents get the ball at the spot of the kick has a big impact on this decision.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Is it spot of the kick? Not previous line of scrimmage? Spot of the kick or 20 yard line, whichever is greater.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Chasing people and reacting to their motions is more tiring than running a route or blocking assignment Plus the defense doesn't know where the play is going so everyone has to be ready for everything on each play. The offense has the initiative and can run a variety of sets and formations that rotate the load while the plays key on the same guy on the defense and wear him out.
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screaden posted:So I watched my first ever game all the way through and I think I've picked up on how everything generally works, but I have a few questions. The point of the kickoff is to give the receiving team a chance to catch the ball and run it out. If the ball goes into the end zone, it is downed for a touchback, wherein the ball is placed at the 25. Most kickers these days are good enough to put it right through the end zone, so most kickoffs result in touchbacks. Kickoffs were from the 40 yard line for a long time, but because of too many touchbacks they moved it back to the 35. They will probably move it back to the 30 before long. Yes, the game is that the offense gets four tries to advance the ball 10 yards. If they succeed, they get another set of four downs. If they fail, the other team gets the ball. Kickers are far from disposable. Good kickers are immensely important (see the answer above). Kicking the ball between the uprights is worth 3 points and good kickers who can do that from a long way away are rare. Good punters can flip field position and force the opponents to make long drives to score. I know nothing about Jameis Winston, though. I watched him play for Florida State a few times and know he won the Heisman award, but that's about it.
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Positions: This can get real complicated, so I'll stick to the basics. American football decended from Rugby in the 2nd half of the 19th century, so there are some archaic names based on how the game was played then, as well as some Rugby holdovers. The 11 players on the team are divided into two groups, the forwards and the backs. Forwards play on or near the line of scrimmage (derived from the Rugby term "scrummage" or scrum), while back play behind it. Offense: The offense is required to have at least 7 forwards and at most 4 backs. There are five interior linemen, whose jobs are primarily to block (and are not permitted to catch forward passes), and two ends, whose main job is to catch passes. The linemen are: Center - plays at the center of the line, snaps the ball to the quarterback to start the play. Guards - one on either side of the center. Named because their original job was to guard the center and quarterback during the exchange of the ball. Tackles - one on either side of the guards. Named because on defense, the players at those positions did most of the tackling. So the standard line formation is: ETGCGTE The names of the backs are holdovers from Rugby. The farthest man from the line was fully back, or the fullback. Two players were halfway back between the line and the fullback - the halfbacks. One more player was between the halfbacks and the line, or a quarter of the way back - the quarterback. Defense: Defense is much more complicated than offense, as far as positions go. There are a variety of formations with lots of position names, but a base defense to start with is the 4-3-4. That is, there are four down linemen ("down" because they start the play with at least one hand on the ground), three linebackers, and four backs. The main job of the down linemen is to rush into the backfield any way they can and either tackle a runner or get to the quarterback before he can pass the ball. The linebackers play a yard or two behind the line, and their job is to plug holes in the line so a runner can't get through, cover running backs coming out of the backfield for a pass, and generally support the work of the linemen. The backs are split into the cornerbacks and safeties. The cornerbacks play wide and near the line (at the "corners") and cover speedy ends and backs running to catch a pass. The safeties play toward the middle of the field and also cover passes over the middle or come up in run support. They are the "safeties" because they were the last line of defense. These are the very basics to get you started on following what's going on. You'll have to spend some time learning the intricacies of what your own team does with these formations.
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Docjowles posted:Uhh yeah I think almost all of the info on kicking that was posted is wrong? At least in NFL terms. I know jack poo poo about college ball so sorry if you were talking about that. A touchback (when a kickoff goes out the back of the endzone, or is caught and knelt down in the endzone) goes out to the 25 yard line. And the ball is kicked from a team's own 35 yard line. Ie, 15 yards behind the 50 away from the guy who is going to catch it. NCAA kickoffs from the 35, and may go back to the 30 before long, which is what I was referencing.
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SkunkDuster posted:Playing Madden 17 and fumbled on a kickoff return. The commentary says something about a new rule where you can't advance the ball in that situation under the two minute warning. Does that only apply to the receiving team, or is it considered a dead ball when recovered no matter which team recovers? The rule is: "If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time." I'm guessing there have been problems with teams deliberately "fumbling" the ball forward as time is running out to extend the play and avoid being tackled.
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SkunkDuster posted:I was wondering about the green stickers on the backs of QBs helmets and found that it was because they have a radio in the helmet and one person on offense and one on defense is allowed to have a helmet radio. What is the penalty if two people on offense or defense are wearing radio helmets? That would probably be handled by the commissioner, who could levy fines, suspensions, draft picks, or whatever else seemed appropriate.
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