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The New Black posted:I think in general people need to stop going to the families for any kind of reasonable response. They're pretty much (and maybe understandably) just on the look out for vengeance against anyone they can find. You can see this in particular when someone who is blatantly innocent is acquitted and the families say "This is a slap in the face for us and a desecration of our loved one's memory". Generally speaking they care about someone suffering for what happened, not getting actual justice. But the American justice system is entirely built about revenge for the family and all, I mean we still have viewed executions as a common thing. So really it fits the general mood of America well.
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haterade posted:The US black incarceration rate is higher than that of apartheid South Africa. Four times higher. See? Proof that...those people...are just rotten!~Every right winger reading that. Don't get me wrong this is a great thread to have and awesome to have more people learn about how inherently evil our justice system has become but just a heads up to people just now finding this, be prepared to be even more depressed when you find people unironically going 'heh guess crime DOESN'T pay, huh?' about this. Americans are loving savages when it comes to our 'justice'.
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Jul 27, 2010 07:26
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Broken Knees Club posted:The entire field of psychology was founded to deal with these phenomena and it's a hellish bouquet of bystander effect, just-world fallacy and the Milgram experiment. How the gently caress can people look at this and read that and not just want to start screaming. We are literally on the same level as the near lawless crime capital of east Africa, and that's cool because we gotta keep them lil black bastards in their place.
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Jul 28, 2010 16:53
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lemonadesweetheart posted:I always saw him as a character of sympathy but I guess it depends on your own projection. I mean the characters whole life has been completely destroyed by his job. He's a man who frequently beats, threatens, and generally abuses suspects with little proof other then 'yup he's got a van and a mustache' or whatever, and he's one of the 'once a sex offender for any minor way, always a sex offender IN ALL THE WORST WAYS LET'S MURDER THEM ALL FOR THE GOOD OF SOCIETY'. I guess I can get him being a character who brings out pathos, but sympathy always eluded me. For real my first episode of SVU ever was when one of my friends was all 'oh hey you like Law and Order, you should see this one' and it was some one where he actively posed as a former sex offender to live next to and constantly harass and tempt a dude who was clearly trying to go straight and get his life together, and then in the end big shock he snaps and goes back to sex offending so we have to shoot him. My friend and I then had about an hour long argument because I said 'wow it was really breaking the mold of Law and Order to make a main character cop the bad guy of the show'. Apparently I was supposed to go "AHA I knew he was a no good monster all along"?
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Aug 2, 2010 07:42
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TyroneGoldstein posted:The only time he really crossed over into 'bad guy' territory was during that episode when they were hunting down an international child pornography ring and he had to go to..I want to say Amsterdam but it may have been more eastern european than central/west and he literally beat the everliving crap out of one of the guys they brought in after getting the nod from the local detective he was working with (a chick, can't remember her name). I think it was more to illustrate how different police work is between us and them. Reminder that he literally followed a just released dude around for days going 'hey, hey, hey let's rape someone, come on what are ya a pussy, let's rape someone, come oooon' and then when he did go 'fine gently caress it let's rape someone' we were supposed to go 'oh poo poo Stabler was right all along!' He's a bad cop and it's disgusting that in this country he's a 'good guy' who we're supposed to go 'aaaw he works so hard and these drat bleeding hearts keep telling he can't 'break the law' because a dude is sketchy!'
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Aug 2, 2010 16:06
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TyroneGoldstein posted:We'll have to disagree on whether or not he's a 'bad' cop in intent, but I do agree fully about how he, as well as other television detectives do what 'makes good TV'. People really wouldn't want to watch some angry mid life crisis having detective sit there and basically fill out forms in triplicate and excruciating detail about crime scenes they worked. Reading those on the smoking gun is fun but its really dry stuff unless you're into procedural stuff or are, in fact, a cop. All I remember about the end is that big shock, the guy being emotionally manipulated by someone who is an expert in the mind of his kind of offender went out and grabbed some girl to rape (which, I love the fact that it seemed to honestly shock Stabler as if he wasn't prepared for it, as if he thought the dude would just go 'yea rape is awesome!' and they could swarm) and they took her to some garage and it ended in Stabler freeing her and somehow the dude died and it was ok because he was gonna rape someone. I'm pretty sure this was over two years ago though, but hey gently caress it there have been so many episodes of all the different Law and Orders maybe not.
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Aug 2, 2010 16:19
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mew force shoelace posted:God, don't even start with these complex goony eye for an eye poetic justice plans. That is not what our justice system should ever be. No hear me out, if a rapist gets raped.... For real though yea, 'making it even' is the dumbest thing and just furthers the already major problems in our justice systems where punishment is above rehabilitation.
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Aug 10, 2010 17:00
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S.T.C.A. posted:If my crime revolved around abusing my job in the finance sector, and I made 70% of my personal net worth by that abuse, and that abuse was deemed illegal, you're calling it 'poetic justice' if the state seizes 70% of my personal net worth and says I can't have a job in the finance sector again (or for X years)? I don't think HE is, I think the definition of poetic justice is. Also seriously stop already, eye-for-eye justice is not how civilized justice systems work, no matter what the crime.
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