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AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Apologies if this has already been posted, but

http://nplusonemag.com/raise-the-crime-rate

e: Not intended as an endorsement of the conclusions, but worth a read for the statistics and narratives, I think.

AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jan 30, 2012

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AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

-Troika- posted:

Or they could try not doing things that cuase them to be charged with robbery.

Such wisdom. How is it that millennia of banishment, execution, and long prison sentences for robbery absolutely have by and large failed to deter it? How is it that countries that have looked past this mindset of vengeance and aim to improve social services and rehabilitation programs have both far lower rates of both violent crime and recidivism for those that do end up committing those crimes?

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Im That One Guy posted:

Would that much pot even fit in a normal school backpack?

It's a lot, especially for a schoolkid, but it's not a LOT. It seems pretty clear that she sold the stuff, but we're talking about a quantity that would easily fit in a gallon size ziplock.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Amarkov posted:

We don't actually have any such thing in the US, though. I know everyone calls TANF "welfare", but it's highly misleading to do that, because anyone who is not caring for children is not eligible.

Not to mention the 60 month lifetime limit.

Pretty much the only thing comparable to "welfare" as people imagine it is SSI payments.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

It sounds like they're cutting back on imprisoning young people (or at least cutting back on calling it that, but let's give the "secure training centres" the benefit of the doubt) generally. Sure, they could cut the same percentage of men's and women's spots, but from the sounds of it, that would result in cutting back the capacity for women to the extent that maintaining the infrastructure just isn't worth it for whatever small number would remain. They're getting rid of the women's part of juvenile prisons altogether to save on overhead.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

MechPlasma posted:

What else could they do with the money?

Since asset forfeiture reform is off the table, it could be put in the general fund, required spending on something that isn't the police (let's say schools since they're perpetually short of money while the police are buying up APCs), anything really. The important thing is to get rid of the financial incentivization to conduct asset forfeitures, that's the kind of thing that leads directly to abuses.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

ClemenSalad posted:

Also surprised no one brought up that you can indeed get your voting rights back.

Sometimes, in some places, under some circumstances, and usually under onerous conditions for the ex-felon.

In the meantime, plenty of states, particularly Southern (surprise!) ones have effectively disenfranchised a significant proportion of their minority populations. But I'm sure you'll let us know how that's just a coincidence and law enforcement is color-blind though.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Cold and Ugly posted:

It's extremely false that "the rest" don't think it's worth the effort, because I for one totally do.

You know the whole rotten apples analogy? Unfortunately, the widespread incidence of prison rape would suggest that even if some people do care, they are at best ineffective at dealing with - and at worst just turn a blind eye to - the problem. The barrel is so thoroughly rotten that digging through to maybe find a good one is an exercise in futility.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Wouldn't expulsion be a civil action (since the issue is basically whether they can toss out your contractual agreement to give the school money for education), making preponderance of evidence the appropriate standard?

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006


It's almost as if Europe isn't a country

http://www.share-international.org/archives/homelessness/hl-asbNorway.htm

It seems like the worst case scenario for the homeless in Norway is a a lovely room in a hostel. Not ideal, but the predictions that there's going to be a surge of crime to get locked up for food and shelter because the prisons aren't hellholes like the rest of the world is nonsense.

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AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

reading posted:

Prisoners working in a sales call center in AZ are paid $0.50/hr but have to pay the prison $400/month room and board, even though the state already pays $30,000+ to the prison per prisoner. What an awful country.

Wait, what? That's $80 a month, so are the prisoners just not paid (in which case why even bother pretending to give them a wage?), or do they rack up a debt of $320 a month? And would that debt carry over outside of prison, effectively loving over anyone released from prison?

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