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Finished Shadows of Self, it's amazing. It ends with a bang, and it seems as if it could be more important to the wider Cosmere story than Alloy of Law made us believe. Minor Shadows of Self and Bands of Mourning spoiler: Shadows of Self posted:Others contained depictions of the rebuilding of the world, or other relics such as a replica of both Harmony's Bands and the Bands of Mourning. Seems like our speculations about the Bands of Mourning were right. There are a lot of fascinating things in the book, but I will have to reread it once before discussing them further. I've also spotted Hoid, it was easy enough. This part of the Ars Arcanum seems quite significant, and not only for Scadrial (minor Stormlight Archive spoiler?): Shadows of Self posted:Combinations
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# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 17:21 |
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# ¿ May 16, 2024 11:11 |
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One thing I always wondered about, what's their source of aluminium? Considering that electricity is a very recent development, how do they extract it from bauxite? It seems like half the population is wearing tinfoil hats, and the soothing/rioting stations are supposed to be insulated with aluminium in the walls, there must be tons and tons of aluminium in just Elendel. Edit: Also, Soonie cubs! Amazing, simply amazing. Torrannor fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Oct 7, 2015 |
# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 14:06 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:Yeah that ending certainly was something. I started wondering about Lessie being replaced a little before the reveal, since either she or Tan(?) had to be after all we'd seen. Though the extent of the replacement was not expected. For awhile I'd figured that either MeLaan or Steris were the ones who'd been replaced though. I disagree about the earring. Look at this: Alloy of Law posted:He reached into his pocket, fishing out his earring. It was a simple thing, stamped on the head with the ten interlocking rings of the Path. The Final Empire posted:The earring she put in her ear - it was a very simple thing. Little more than a stud, not even worth stealing, Now consider this: Shadows of Self posted:Marasi fidgeted, then she sighed and took the strange spike back. She dropped something else on the table as she rose. A small earring, just a stud, with the back bent over. "They sent this for you." I'm 100% certain that she gave him Vin's earring right there, in the last chapter of Shadows of Self. It's a simple stud like Vin had, while the other was of newer design with the Path symbol already on it. And it wouldn't have made any sense to introduce this earring in the very last chapter if it wasn't significant. Regarding Stormlight Archives, it would depend on the time frame? Brandon has these other Mistborn books planned, with the 20th century trilogy and the futuristic trilogy, where they fly around in spaceships using clever applications of Allomancy and Ferruchemy. That's centuries off. I could imagine a Stormlight ending in which they defeat but not kill Odium, and he simply has to retreat from Roshar. I also think it has been implied by Brandon that Harmony is stronger than Odium in a straight up fight, so I'm not sure if Odium winning on Roshar would automatically be the end of everything. Using Hemalurgy to get every kind of Surgebinding would make somebody absurdly powerful, but we already saw something similar with the Lord Ruler, who had every Allomantic and Ferruchemical power, and was indeed nearly unkillable, it required divine intervention and a big portion of luck to do it. But I think that Twinborn thing in the Ars Arcanum meant something different. The Skybreakers were said to have a special sense to separate the innocent from the guilty. The Lightweavers had mnemonic memory (Shallan has that, too). Truthwatchers (Renarin) can see the future, even though none of his Surges grant that abiliy (Healing and Illusion, respectively). It's implied that every Knight Radiant gained powers beyond the two basic Surges granted by his spren, and that those were always the same within an Order, who always had the same combination of Surges. The author of the Ars Arcanum speculates that this must also be true for the Twinborn, who probably have abilities beyond their one Ferruchemical and one Allomantic power. Ethiser posted:This book takes place after The Stormlight Archives so the finale of that series can't be too earth shattering with respect to the rest of the Cosmere. I assume Odium will bite it but there are still plenty of other shards out there that can cause trouble in Mistborn world. It's not that simple. Brandon Sanderson on reddit posted:ZAS678 (REDDIT.COM) So you see, the four Wax and Wayne Mistborn books take place at roughly the same time as a lot of Stormlight Archive. Hoid's sudden departure from Stormlight Archive can be explained with him taking a trip to Scadrial. I would also bet money that the tenth book of Stormligh Archive takes place after The Lost Metal. Edit: Holy poo poo, it looks like a CIA document
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# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 19:50 |
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I really love his books, but there's nothing wrong with not liking them, or the way Brandon writes his characters etc. But I find your attitude towards him and his religion really offensive, and I'm saying that as some who's agnostic. Yes, Mormonism is certainly a lot stranger than vanilla Christian sects, but this has nothing to do with his books. Faith is obviously hugely important for Sanderson, and this is reflected in his works. But it's always in a very non-specific way, none of the shardholders are ever comparable to the Christian god. Contrast that with fantasy Atlas Shrugged a.k.a. Sword of Truth, where the objectivism bullshit gets worse and worse until Goodkind dials it down a bit in his last three books. Yes, he incorporates the age-old question how an omnipotent, omniscient and most importantly omnibenevolent god can create a world in which all these horrible things happen. But that's actually something that's a lot more applicable to many fantasy works, in which you have certainty that god(s) exist, and yet they often don't really seem to act with the best interests of their faithful in mind. Rand al'Thor in Wheel of Time can have one of the shittiest lives in his entire universe, yet he never questions the Creator. The Dark One does a lot of things, inculding plunging the world in a endless winter, yet the Creator never intervenes. Why do none of these characters ever have a crisis of faith? Similarly, Richard Rahl never has an issue with the Creator in Sword of Truth. I really appreciate it that Brandon explores the concept of an apparently benevolent, rather powerful (but not omnipotent) and actually active god, and and what that means for his world. Deep Space Nine also had a comparable big focus on faith and religion, and it's part of what makes it the best Star Trek series. Same with Babylon 5. Apart from his fascination with faith, which is not altogether a bad thing, he never pushes his beliefs on you in the books, or outside of them for that matter. He's no Goodkind, who has his characters monologue about why socialism is super evil, how pacifists are also evil, and why anybody who doesn't own a gun is dumb (and gun control is also evil). He's no Orson Scott Card, who's openly homophobic. By all means, criticize the quality of Sanderson's works, but attacking him for his faith even though you couldn't tell that he's a Mormon from reading his books at all, that's lovely in my opinion.
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# ¿ Oct 12, 2015 18:38 |
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Tunicate posted:Does anyone else think that Sazed really hosed up? Not just in the setup, but when Paalm dies she mentions that she won't be Sazed's slave again, implying that (despite what he told Wax), he actually did Assume Direct Control on multiple occasions. Sazed may or may not be hosed up, but I think you are wrong about the Kandra and Paalm. First, if you think yourself agents of God (Preservation), but then find out that the Devil (Ruin) can take direct control of you, and indeed enslaves your entire race to help him bring about the apocalypse... what more motivation do you need to figure out how to prevent that sort of thing ever happening again? Even apart from Sazed abusing his power, the right kinds of allomancers can also control them through their spikes. As for Paalm, Sazed claimed that he did not assume direct control, but did push her to get Wax back to Elendel, even if it means to let herself be killed and thus end her relationship with him. She's clearly insane, so it's difficult how much we can take her words at face value. She could simply mean that she felt like a slave, with the threat of him taking control of her always being present. Yet the rest of the Kandra don't seem to share her sentiment. She's always portrait as an aberration, so I think the others are mostly still faithful servants of Sazed.
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# ¿ Oct 13, 2015 22:14 |
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mossyfisk posted:Makes you think about how ridiculously overpowered the Lord Ruler was. Fortunately, he didn't know about the metal that enabled you to store luck. And yes, the Lord Ruler was probably the most powerful non-shardholder that we've seen in the Cosmere so far, except for Hoid perhaps. None of the others compare.
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# ¿ Oct 14, 2015 19:37 |
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Law Cheetah posted:I reread the "I am, unfortunately, the Hero of Ages" epigraph a couple days ago, and Sazed seems to think that the Lord Ruler knew about all of the metals. Good catch! Then it's strange how he did not keep a reserve of these metals for emergencies. The ability to create speed bubbles or to wipe the metal reserves of enemy allomancers would have made him even more powerful. Perhaps he reasoned that nobody had any chance of beating him in a fight anyway.
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# ¿ Oct 14, 2015 20:21 |
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Superstring posted:So, Wax hosed a Kandra. He basically hosed an animated corpse.
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# ¿ Oct 20, 2015 06:07 |
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Perhaps someone with platinum should report that post? It's a really, really bad spoiler.
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# ¿ Oct 20, 2015 15:24 |
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Shadows of Self debuted on #8 of the the Hardcover Fiction New York Times Bestseller List. Here's a nice little blog post from tor. com about it: http://www.tor.com/2015/10/21/mistborn-novel-shadows-of-self-debuts-on-the-new-york-times-bestseller-list/ It includes this Bands of Mourning excerpt/spoiler: Tor.com posted:“Lord Ladrian, could another Feruchemist use your metalminds?” Yes, why? There has never been an answer why it is impossible to use another Ferruchemist's metalminds, and this probably means that it isn't impossible at all! Combine this with the knowledge what the Bands of Mourning are exactly... I'm so down with reliving Rashek's memories of the trek to the Well of Ascension, his murder of Alendi, taking up Preservations power, being tricked by Ruin, creating his Final Empire, etc. Maybe this is the answer to the question what happens when you compound copper. Perhaps you can really relive the memories as if you were there. The only problem is that none of the protagonists are copper Ferrings.
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# ¿ Oct 21, 2015 18:30 |
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We get Bands of Mourning already at the beginning of next year, we're pretty spoiled. But I wouldn't mind more Stormlight Archive, it's my favorite Sanderson series. I'm just lucky that I don't like ASOIAF, after waiting ages for a Wheel of Time conclusion I don't think that I could take GRRM's writing speed. Especially considering Robert Jordan's fate.
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# ¿ Oct 26, 2015 19:31 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:A Stormlight book every two years would be nice. Though if he writes 9 books total that still means we won't see a conclusion until 2028. I thought there's supposed to be 10 Stormlight Archive books in total? In any case, it will be a long wait, but we have Mistborn books, the Warbreaker sequel and likely some other Cosmere novels to look forward in the off years, not to mention that we will get 7/8 1000+ pages books out of the deal.
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# ¿ Oct 26, 2015 22:33 |
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The Ninth Layer posted:If he's the main villain maybe he could make an appearance in the book. The Dark Lord was kind enough to show up a few times in the first two Wheel of Time books. If I recall correctly, Sauron made no appearance in the Fellowship of the Ring itself, and I can't remember if we saw him using the Palantir to speak with Saruman in the Two Towers or not. Was Tolkien a bad author then?
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# ¿ Nov 16, 2015 13:50 |
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A few days ago Brandon posted the "official fan trailer" for Alloy of Law, it's pretty funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbG-EJdxZW4
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# ¿ Nov 29, 2015 21:59 |
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Oh god, it starts again! A reminder that Bands of Mourning are coming soon. Here's chapter one! http://www.tor.com/2015/12/07/excerpts-brandon-sanderson-the-bands-of-mourning-chapter-one/
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# ¿ Dec 7, 2015 23:50 |
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The Gardenator posted:And now chapter 2 I'm kind of miffed that they posted this chapter. They should perhaps only posted the very last part or just skipped it entirely.
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# ¿ Dec 15, 2015 17:56 |
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Right, unlike those two, Sanderson is still pumping out books. It will just take longer to finish his Stormlight Archive series.
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# ¿ Dec 19, 2015 14:39 |
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Jorenko posted:Chapter 3 Massive spoilers, a big infodump and a very good hook to keep reading. I'm really looking forward to the book.
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# ¿ Dec 21, 2015 19:31 |
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Robot Danger posted:I need someone to help me out. I took a long break from Stormlight Archives right about the halfway point of book two. I was able to pick it back up without having to start over again, but there is one thing I cannot remember for the life of me: how did Shallen get a shard blade? I know she is able to manipulate stormlight because of her connection to Pattern, but I cannot remember her getting a blade. She busted one out in the chasm and surprised me. That's actually one of the more important revelations of the book. You will find out more later, I don't think you're supposed to know how she got her shardblade yet. If you truly want to know, you can read my spoiler, but it's a big one. Pattern IS her shardblade. Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Trying not to make the spoiler too obvious.
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# ¿ Dec 28, 2015 23:53 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:There are a few late/end reveals in the 2nd book that make any rereads a little more interesting too. One in particular is a character who seems a little different at times and the end of book 2 explains exactly why. Who are you talking about? I can't recall anybody matching your description.
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# ¿ Dec 29, 2015 16:01 |
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The non-spoiler review for Bands of Mourning is out. http://www.tor.com/2016/01/19/brandon-sanderson-the-bands-of-mourning-non-spoiler-review/ Of course it's a Tor.com writer judging a book by a Tor Books author, so it's hardly objective. That said, I find this bit to be great news: quote:Cosmere Implications Cosmere stuff! We already had a noticeable amount of it in Words of Radiance, I'm pumped for even more of it in Bands of Mourning.
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# ¿ Jan 19, 2016 19:56 |
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So I broke down and read the other Bands of Mourning preview chapters. Ugh, Spook. I was already uncomfortable with his casual attitude regarding the use of hemalurgy, but espousing ideology that would feel right at home with fantasy nazis is not something I wanted Spook to do. Also, for those who are interested, here are some Words of Brandon about Spook after the end of the original Mistborn trilogy, which might actually be relevant to the Wax and Wayne stories: Brandon Sanderson posted:QUESTION: Just wondering, are you ever going to go back and write about The Further Adventures of Lestibournes? I think his character is pivotal to the Mistborn trilogy and felt cheated that the trilogy mostly focused on Vin, Kel, Sazed, and Elend. I would like to know more of his backstory and how he became the stud that he is.
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# ¿ Jan 20, 2016 21:38 |
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Tunicate posted:Depends on how you think of it - there's an argument to be made that hemalurgy is essentially equivalent to being an organ donor. But hemalurgy requires the donors to be alive, and kills them in the process.
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# ¿ Jan 20, 2016 21:55 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:Oh hell yes, we're going to see more of Eshonai, which makes sense because the idea a Stormform wearing Shardplate couldn't survive falling in to a chasm is absurd. That's not guaranteed, these tertiary characters could be anyone. But you are right, there's no chance that Eshonai could be dead. Wasn't she supposed to get her own book even?
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# ¿ Jan 20, 2016 22:09 |
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mewse posted:Aaaaaaa so many spoilers This will get much worse once the book it out Just finish reading Bands of Mourning when it comes out before you come in here, there was that one inconsiderate poster that didn't spoiler tag the big reveal in the last chapter of Shadows of Self before it was out even a week. I pity everybody who saw that before finishing the book.
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# ¿ Jan 20, 2016 22:34 |
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He's a machine. Incredible. Per reddit, supposedly from Bands of Mourning: quote:To tide you over until Oathbringer, I have just released a special digital-only novella that is intended to be read after The Bands of Mourning, though it takes place during the events of the original Mistborn Trilogy. Ten years in the making, Mistborn: Secret History might answer a few of your questions. There's always another secret. Contains spoilers for Bands of Mourning, which shouldn't matter since it comes out two weeks later.
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# ¿ Jan 25, 2016 07:12 |
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I wonder who is writing the Ars Arcanum in-universe. The comments have become a lot more personal ("has been of specific interest to me lately"), so who is this person collecting information about the various magic systems in the Cosmere, and what do they intend to do with this knowledge? The book is super exciting to read, I'm halfway through. At least it was very easy to spot Hoid this time. I notice that once again the symbols for the metals are acting as chapter images. I can't be bothered to learn them, but I wonder if there are hidden clues in these symbols.
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# ¿ Jan 26, 2016 20:43 |
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Hoooooo boy, this possibly very important Stormlight Archive character is from Scadrial?! Talking about Iyatil! Uh, I have to think about the implications of this.OAquinas posted:Hoid: Aside from the "I AM HERE AND GUZZLING OLD SPICE LIKE A CRAZY MANS" cameo, he also has another one in the broadsheet story (where he tries to do his storytelling schtick and gets ignored) No three guesses needed, after reading your post it became very obvious.
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# ¿ Jan 26, 2016 22:37 |
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So, from the last chapter of Bands of Mourning, am I supposed to think that Kelsier somehow hijacked the Lord Ruler's body? Because if so, holy poo poo! The other book is out already? I don't know if I can spend another night with little sleep reading Sanderson books, how long is it? If it's also 350 pages long then I will have to wait until tomorrow to read it. There's no way I could stop once I've started it, and I really need to sleep tonight. Torrannor fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jan 27, 2016 |
# ¿ Jan 27, 2016 11:25 |
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broken clock opsec posted:No, it was just Kelsier in the southern hemisphere all along. Those people never claimed him to be Lord Ruler, Wax's party just jumped to that assumption automatically because whoever it was had access to both full mistborn and full feruchemy. I don't know why Kelsier would have had a re-created body with his Hathsin scars, and then pounded a spike through an eye, but there it is, I suppose I'll find out in 3? days. Ah yes, that makes more sense. I understood that he was supposed to be the southern "Lord Ruler" all along. That was after all the first time he came to them. But I somehow thought that he did it in Rashek's body, which confused me because that became incredibly old and was probably unusable. But I wonder where Kelsier would get his own body back. OreSeur ate his corpse to impersonate him! There's still something missing.
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# ¿ Jan 27, 2016 15:15 |
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MildShow posted:Just finished the book. I enjoyed it, although I didn't really feel like it was as Cosmere-important as it was hyped. I've just finished the Secret History, and it basically contains more direct Cosmere information than all other Cosmere books combined. If you have your copy of Elantris, go to the glossary and look up they symbol Kelsier describes. It's Ire, the name of the Elantrian organization, and means time/age. Interesting that they formed this organization after restoring the city. I assume they wanted to bring a non-shattered shard back to their world to replace Devotion? I'm also not really comfortable with what Spook and Kelsier are doing. It seems the survival of hemalurgy was largely Kelsier's fault. And Spook most likely used Atium compounding to live so much longer than normal humans. Regarding Bands of Mourning (and Stormlight Archive), there's some interesting facts about spiritual identity there. Especially the Bands themselves are fascinating, in that they make anybody a full allomancer. That's actually very similar to the Honorblades of the Heralds, who make anybody a surgebinder of the appropriate order. I bet that you could use the Bands of Mourning without depleting them if you were standing in a highstorm on Roshar.
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# ¿ Jan 27, 2016 20:32 |
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Do you think the Lost Metal could be malatium? It's an Atium alloy, so there's presumably little left. And it was mentioned quite a lot in Secret History. But I'm not quite sure what it could be used for.
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# ¿ Jan 27, 2016 23:54 |
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Superstring posted:Maaaaan. Kelsier is going to end up being a bad guy isn't he? It wouldn't surprise me. So in Words of Radiance, when Szeth died, he probably was in that space-in-between before passing on to the beyond, similar to Kelsier. Since he held quite a bit of power before, he could probably remain longer in that realm than normal mortals. That gave Nalan the time to revive him, right?
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# ¿ Jan 29, 2016 15:51 |
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Geisladisk posted:That's correct, also people have since pointed out to me that it's all part of Sanderson's giant meta-series, which apparently encompasses almost all his books, and will at some point intertwine more heavily. I still don't like it. All of Sanderson's books that don't play on Earth or an alternate version of Earth. He's written a lot of those books, but they are more Young Adult.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 17:20 |
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So Brandon did a Q&A for Audible and said some spoilerish things about the cosmere (and Steelheart/Reckoners, but I don't care about those). http://www.tor.com/2016/02/05/brandon-sanderson-answers-your-audible-live-chat-questions/ I found this part to be pretty interesting, even though it's basically no spoiler at all: quote:Question: Which of your characters required the most research beforehand in order to write? So as we all suspected, he's not an emo, he actually suffers from depression. Reading some of these answers, it reminds me that I really, really need to reread Sixth of the Dusk after Bands of Mourning. But XCOM 2 just came out, so I don't have the spare time.
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# ¿ Feb 6, 2016 08:26 |
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Wolpertinger posted:I'm thinking you're extrapolating a bit too much malevolence from his desperate attempt to stop a lunatic from killing people - by his very nature he wants to stay as hands off as possible and only act prevent widespread chaos or stagnation. [/spoiler] This so much! Yes, the Kandra figured out a way to kill themselves. BECAUSE RUIN TOOK CONTROL OF THEM TO BRING ABOUT THE APOCALYPSE! How much more motivation do you need?? The Kandra we see in the story, with the exceptions of Paalm and the evil Kandra at the end of BoM, speak pretty well of Harmony. At no point do I get the impression that they fear him, or disagree with what he does. That said, Harmony is deeply flawed. Combining both shards made him probably the theoretically most powerful entity in the Cosmere, but that doesn't help when his very nature makes it difficult for him to act at all. He's also not some all-knowing god, so he can miscalculate the effects of his actions and can be blind to/overlook threats to him and the people he wants to protect. But these things still don't mean that he's evil.
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# ¿ Feb 11, 2016 15:08 |
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Tunicate posted:They already had a countermeasure in place against Ruin, which worked and saved the world. It did not work at all! The only reason the Kandra could actually pull their spikes was because Ruin was distracted. Reread The Hero of Ages to see what I mean. Ruin could have prevented every single Kandra from pulling their spikes, and they would have lived as eternal slaves in their own bodies. That's the reason they devised the new method that makes it possible to kill themselves even if their controlling deity gives 100% to prevent them from committing suicide.
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# ¿ Feb 11, 2016 18:28 |
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smertrioslol posted:Okay, so I just burned through Way of Kings and Words of Radiance in two weeks and I need more. I just picked up the mistborn series as well. What's the reading order for other Sanderson stuff beyond mistborn? As Tunicate said, publication order works all right. Just remember that Elantris was his first book, and it shows. You might be interested in reading Warbreaker first, to spot the significant cross-over with Words of Radiance. And make sure to read Secret Histories last!
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# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 16:21 |
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It's not surprising that a not-edited book has a lot of flaws. Even whole storylines can change after the editor had his/her first go at the manuscript. That said, it's the right thing not to share anything from the book. Those who really want to know can probably find a torrent somewhere, or simply wait a few months after writing to Brandon. I like that there are no easy spoilers for White Sand on the internet.
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# ¿ Feb 19, 2016 16:42 |
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# ¿ May 16, 2024 11:11 |
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Speaking of White Sand, according to Brandon's website, the White Sand graphic novel vol. 1 is 95% finished.
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2016 09:22 |