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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Cruel and Unusual posted:

I think Deadspin might go before Grantland.

Doesn't Deadspin get like 20 million views a month? No way is Gawker shutting that thing down.

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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THE MACHO MAN posted:

I am pretty surprised the writer didn't 'resign' as well.

Gawker unionized a month and a half ago, so they couldn't unilaterally fire the writer (or Craggs, incidentally).

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Gawker employees are WGA members, so Gawker would have to build a case to show termination for cause and I believe WGA bylaws call for those types of cases to go to an arbitrator.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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I was surprised I didn't see Petchesky's name on the byline; he's their king of whipping himself up into a self-righteous rage.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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howe_sam posted:

They're paying an epic poo poo ton of money for broadcasting rights. So it's easier for them to cut staff than it is to pass on the NFL.

For illustration's sake, ESPN currently pays just under $2 billion a year for Monday Night Football.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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BigBoss posted:

I always thought Grandland was a great halo product for ESPN, sort of like the 30 for 30 project. Someone has to lend credibility to the brand.

It was a great vanity product, yeah, but ESPN is hemorrhaging money left and right. The vanity products are the first to go. 538 is safe because it was an acquisition with ABC for next year's elections but there's going to be a lot more bloodletting in the coming weeks and months.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Blast Fantasto posted:

At the least that would explain why Jim Miller seemed to know so much lately.

At this point I'm pretty sure John Walsh is one of his sources. If I'm recalling the oral history book correctly, Walsh and Skipper never cared for each other and Skipper is presiding over what is possibly the worst period in ESPN's history (putting a guy who was in a dying industry in charge of a business that was going to be facing significant headwinds maybe wasn't the smartest choice, Disney).

Timby fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 30, 2015

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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leokitty posted:

Non-profit world is definitely full of assholes.

God, it is. I spent two years working part-time doing online marketing for a local non-profit, and one Friday morning I got called into HR and was informed they were merging my position with IT for a new full-time position, because ... well, they both involve computers, so clearly that makes sense. :wtc:

I wound up working there for another two and a half months before moving to Baltimore for a new gig because they had no concept of how monstrously stupid it was to imagine that managing a complex IT system was in no way a complementary skill set to drafting and implementing marketing strategies, and couldn't get anyone to interview for the job. I don't think they filled it until three or four months after I left, and that dude left after like six months. Last I heard they split the positions again.

Timby fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Nov 2, 2015

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Spoeank posted:

Worked at a non-profit for three years. Worked my way up from intern to a full-time employee. Was advised I was let go due to budget cuts from the economic mess in ~2009 via a loving letter

Hell, I've been working at a hotel for more than a year but had to go on FMLA due to some really severe health issues. Under FMLA, your job is protected during the entire time you're on leave; your employer doesn't pay you and your income is from short-term disability insurance, similar to maternity leave.

Two days after I went back to work, I got a letter saying that I was out of a job. At-will employment. :suicide:

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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howe_sam posted:

I haven't listened to the whole thing, but good lord Gladwell sounds willfully naive with his calls for sports commissioners to ban teams from using public funds to build stadiums.

One of the Deadspin writers (Petchesky, I think) has been getting self-righteously indignant about publicly funded stadiums for like a year, so Gladwell isn't alone.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Lockback posted:

The Simmons/Obama thing when Obama was a candidate had to do with the Equal Time law in the US for candidates. Simmons set everything up on his own and if he did the interview ESPN would suddenly be on the hook to give the same hour to every other opposing candidate who requested it.

Absolutely not. Equal time regulations apply only to over-the-air broadcasters.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Crazy Ted posted:

Berman and Bob Ley are the only two original ESPN employees left, right?

Chuck Pagano, too.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Eric the Mauve posted:

I see teams like the Dodgers signing mind-boggling local TV contracts and the biggest market teams rolling out their own TV networks and printing money, and I think... where's that money coming from in 15 years?

It won't take 15 years for the RSN bubble / local network deals to collapse; it already is. CSN Houston is bleeding money and can't make its payments to the Astros, and the Dodgers' deal with Time Warner (the one that has let them spend money with impunity the last few years) is having severe revenue issues because no one in Los Angeles wants to pay the additional fee to Time Warner just to watch Dodgers games.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Rick posted:

Yeah, and everyone expected the Clippers to get a mega media contract, but it didn't come, and it looks like it's not going to come now (they ended up just sticking with the services they were on previously). Which is interesting because at least a portion of the value of the team was assumed to be a local TV contract everyone assumed they'd get.

The Cubs made a similarly misguided move, aligning their radio and television contracts to run jointly through ... I think 2019, in the hopes of signing some sort of mega deal in 2020. Except by that point, the money well will be completely dry, and it'll be like how Vince McMahon was promising shareholders last year that WWE was going to get, at worst, a NASCAR-like $550 million a year for its TV rights, and then no one except USA was willing to bite (or even interested in talking) so they wound up getting something like a $40 million increase to the tune of like $170 million per year.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Yeah, we've been talking about this off and on for like the last ten pages.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Ribsauce posted:

Standard. I don't even know who writes there anymore.

It's mostly Marchman, Tom Ley and Barry Petchesky writing the occasional article about something that has given them cause to be all self-righteous and high and mighty.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Niwrad posted:

I mean it's Vox Media so standards shouldn't be super high but how the hell does such a poorly written piece make it through and get promoted?

Don't forget, Gawker outed a guy for no other reason than he was a Conde Nast executive. (And then Tommy Craggs threw a tantrum and quit when the rest of the editorial board decided to take the story down.)

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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DJExile posted:

Yeah for all the criticism of Gawker as a whole (much of it legit, to be sure), Deadspin seems to have quieted down on the bullshit lately. Barry Petchesky and Tim Burke are pretty solid, and Tom Ley seems to have toned down some of the crazy.

I'll give you Burke and Ley, but Petchesky is still the patron saint of self-righteous indignance over the littlest goddamn things.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Niwrad posted:

Or I guess Drew Magary's wacky act that feels really dated these days.

I enjoy the weekly mailbag for the most part, but the rest of his stuff can be fairly tired. His book about being a parent is great though.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Kibner posted:

You can probably pay them with a "performance award." It's how the music department at my university gave me money when my scholarship prevented me from accepting any other scholarships.

Could probably get away with saying it's a stipend and calling it a day.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Niwrad posted:

The other guy Mike North got run out of Chicago too for being insufferable. He is basically a caricature of meathead sports fans. Saw someone mention in the comments on Deadspin that I think the Super Fans skit on SNL was based off him.

It's not an inaccurate take. North was such an intolerable douchebag. If I'm not mistaken, there was an incident when he was still working for WSCR that he had taken the day off after calling in sick, then called into his show (I forget who the replacement host was -- Jason Goff, maybe) obviously hammered off his rear end, and he was driving.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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midwat posted:

E: Thiel bankrolling the lawsuit doesn't mean it lacks merit. Gawker has no one but itself to blame for its current predicament.

To be fair to Gawker, they have really cleaned up their act after they basically paid Daulerio to go the gently caress away and after Tommy Craggs and Max Read took their ball and went home following the takedown of the Geithner story (which is still one of the most unbelievable clusterfucks I've ever seen).

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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midwat posted:

This may well be the case (I've stopped visiting their sites), but it's hard to tell if they've cleaned up or are merely in hibernation between doing terrible things.

They still have some terrible writers on Deadspin -- Billy Haisley and Barry Petchesky in particular -- but they've really, really moved away from the predatory, tabloid-esque stories that were going on under Daulerio and Craggs; it feels like there's a lot more management of the content. Craggs' resignation screed is particularly telling; it was basically him using 2,000 words to say, "no, gently caress you, Dad, I'll publish what I want" after Gawker's entire executive management team essentially said "what the gently caress were you thinking?" to the Geithner story, and in the aftermath he tried to frame it as the story bothering the ad sales folks, instead of admitting, "Wow, poo poo, we had no reason to out this guy and ruin his marriage outside of just not liking his employer."

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Niwrad posted:

The Ringer looks great on a tablet.

It looks like it's built on WordPress, and depending on the theme that's used (and how adept you are at modifying the PHP to suit your needs) that's probably the best CMS to use if you want it to look good across multiple screen sizes / devices.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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FlamingLiberal posted:

Part of Gawker's problem is that at times they were extremely irresponsible when doing certain stories.

They got a lot better when Denton basically paid Daulerio a bunch of money to shut the gently caress up and go away, considering Daulerio was the root of most of Gawker's really irresponsible, overly salacious reporting.

Then back in 2015, Tommy Craggs decided to run that story outing Conde Nast's CFO, and after Denton and the executive team said, "What the gently caress is wrong with you, that story's going down now," he threw the mother of all temper tantrums. That screed will never, ever, ever stop being amusing.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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It deserves to be re-posted:

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I want to give you some sense of what happened within Gawker Media on Friday, and what has happened since, as a means of explaining why I have to resign as executive editor.

On Friday, I told my fellow managing partners—Nick Denton, founder and CEO; Heather Dietrick, president; Andrew Gorenstein, president of advertising and partnerships; Scott Kidder, chief operating officer; and Erin Pettigrew, chief strategy officer—I would have to resign if they voted to remove a story I’d edited and approved. The article, about the Condé Nast CFO’s futile effort to secure a remote assignation with a pricey escort, had become radioactive. Advertisers such as Discover and BFGoodrich were either putting holds on their campaigns or pulling out entirely.

(This isn’t the place to debate the merits of that story, other than to say that I stand by the post. Whatever faults it might have belong to me, and all the public opprobrium being directed at Jordan Sargent, a terrific reporter, should come my way instead.)

That there would even be a vote on this was a surprise to me. Until Friday, the partnership had operated according to a loose consensus. Nothing had ever come to a formal vote, and the only time anyone had even hinted that the partners might intrude on a departmental prerogative was when Andrew Gorenstein wondered openly in a partnership meeting why Sam Biddle hadn’t been fired.

I’d learned of the vote via gchat with Heather Dietrick, who throughout the day was my only conduit to the partners, Nick Denton included. The only reply to my pleading emails about yanking the story was a sneering note from Gorenstein. That is to say, none of the partners in a company that prides itself on its frankness had the decency or intellectual wherewithal to make the case to the executive editor of Gawker Media for undermining (if not immolating) his job, forsaking Gawker’s too-often-stated, too-little-tested principles, and doing the most extreme and self-destructive thing a shop like ours could ever do.

All I got at the end of the day was a workshopped email from Denton, asking me to stay on and help him unfuck the very thing he’d colluded with the partners to gently caress up.

No one told me the vote was actually happening, by the way. It just … happened, while I was on a plane to California. No one in editorial was informed that Nick had reached what he now calls the point of last resort; no one had explained what other resorts had been tried and had failed in the less than 24 hours between publication and takedown. The final count was 4-2 (with Heather’s nay joining mine, despite initial reports otherwise), and the message was immediately broadcast to the company and to its readers that the responsibility Nick had vested in the executive editor is in fact meaningless, that true power over editorial resides in the whims of the four cringing members of the managing partnership’s Fear and Money Caucus.

Will they ever explain themselves to you? I don’t know. This is from the partnership’s text message thread on Sunday [all is sic]:

Gorenstein: Im getting emails from Keenan at gawker re post vote

Gorenstein: In not dealing with her

Me: Yeah, God forbid you explain yourself

Gorenstein: I’m 1 of 5

Nick Denton: We will all need to be at the office tomorrow morning to talk with Edit. I propose a meeting before at 9am among the Managing Partners. And you can all expect to be asked why you voted as you did at the all-hands.

Gorenstein (still replying to me): Don’t give me that bullshit

Me: I won’t be attending

Me: I would encourage you to meet with all of edit, but knowing you people I doubt you will

Nick Denton: I encourage everybody to do so, also.

Me: So that’s what it sounds like when Nick has my back.

Me: By the way, Andrew, Keenan is a male. You all should get to know the writers you just sold out.

Me: They may not be around for long.

Then Nick accused me of being “self-indulgent” for making it “all about the writers being sold out” and for not being sufficiently attuned to the damage the brand would suffer.

But of course it is all about you, the writers. The impulse that led to Thursday’s story is the impulse upon which Nick himself built Gawker’s brand, the impulse against which Gorenstein sells his ads. The undoing of it began the moment Nick himself put the once inviolable sanctity of Gawker Media’s editorial to a vote.

One of the least rewarding parts of this job has been subjecting Max Read to a series of meetings that resulted in the creation of the company’s “brand book,” articulating for advertisers what it is that makes Gawker matter. As it happens, initial copy for the brand book—which you can read here (or here)—was approved on Thursday just hours before Gawker’s Condé Nast post went up.

The brand book was a preposterous exercise. The essence of Gawker has always been what happens when we get out of those meetings and go back to writing and editing the stories you do that no one else can do. You writers are this company. You are funny. You are smart. You are vital. You are honest and righteous and pissed-off and stupid, so galactically stupid, and you commit hilarious blunders and you perform great, honking prodigies of journalism that make me proud to have sat in a room with you. Often you do all these things in the same day. You are this company. Nick forgot that, and I hope he one day remembers it. You are, you will always be, the best argument for a company that no longer deserves you.

I love you all.

—Tommy

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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FlamingLiberal posted:

Was that the guy who they outed for no reason and then tried to say something to the effect of 'well, he's related to Tim Geithner or something which makes it OK'

Yep, Craggs and Max Read approved the pitch from a freelancer. Within hours of the story going up, Denton ordered its immediate takedown and the posting of an apology, which prompted Craggs' tantrum posted above.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Henchman of Santa posted:

This was my first time hearing his voice and like many writers, it's not at all what I heard in my head.

That he won an episode of Chopped is the strangest loving thing.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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El Gallinero Gros posted:

That promo was my intro to Phil Mushnick. I doubt he's aware of it, sadly, because goddamn, Jim tore him a new one (and he deserved it).

Wasn't Mushnick the guy who wrote a blistering editorial about the ambulance glitch in Madden '92, saying that it was promoting violence to kids? I think EGM reprinted it in full, once.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Deadspin rolled out a minor redesign this morning.

Magary gets his own section header. He must drive a metric fuckton of traffic or something:

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Grittybeard posted:

I thought HamNo was supposed to be Gawker's fighting dude, I mean, if they were to have someone actually fight people.

Much like Petchesky and occasionally Tom Ley, he's one of Gawker's go-to "get ridiculously self-righteous and indignant about something" guys. Petchesky in particular can take the littlest thing and turn it into a matter of life, death and moral outrage.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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howe_sam posted:

Deadspin claimed he was lying through his teeth, but Deadspin gotta Deadspin. :shrug:

I think the only entity Deadspin hates more than ESPN and Roger Goodell is Simmons. Burneko and Petchesky in particular just have such dripping contempt for him. (Well, Petchesky has dripping contempt for everyone, but still.)

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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DJExile posted:

E: oh, that was Tim Marchman

I don't understand in the slightest why Magary agreed to do the Deadcast again with loving Marchman -- the guy who thinks it's a point of pride to live in a house without air conditioning, the guy who scrubs his tweets hours after he posts them, the smug douchebag who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.

At least Magary has the self-awareness that he's a complete goober.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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projecthalaxy posted:

In addition to the headline error, they also misspelled Gronkowski. Great job justifying your continued existence, print journalism.

The copy editors were first against the wall when print outlets started slashing their budgets back in 2002 or so.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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hcreight posted:

Stark feels like a bit of a surprise, if only because he's been there for loving ever.

His gimmick for the last decade-plus has been regurgitating Doug Glanville quotes, so I'm not surprised he was seen as expendable.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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joepinetree posted:

538 is also probably substantially cheaper than on air sports personalities.

Yeah, when Nate Silver sold it, he got a massive payday to write like two articles a quarter, and the rest of the time they have interns barfing out stuff to fill content quotas.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Vertical Lime posted:

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/859030992690065408

He was an ESPN Business Analyst

So of course they keep Rovell

That one really hurts their coverage. Brandt was a player agent for years, and then spent more than a decade being the lead contract negotiator for the Packers before joining ESPN. He really had perspectives from every conceivable angle.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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DJExile posted:

Hasn't Woj basically been at war with ESPN for like over a decade up until this point?

He used to work for them until like a decade ago, maybe he just wanted to come home.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Benne posted:

I had no idea The Sports Reporters was still a thing. Did ESPN forget to cancel it like 5 years ago and just got around to it now?

It was basically ESPN's longest-running program after SportsCenter (well, it's got to be Sports Reporters or NFL Primetime, I forget which started first), so it was just kind of an institution, and I think ESPN really respected Saunders for breathing new life into it after everyone was stunned by Dick Schaap's death. But they've just had rotating panelists ever since Saunders passed, and they've got so many other debate shows now, I guess they just figured its time was over.

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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iospace posted:

I'm pretty sure something else in regards to Bonds was in play, as well.

That became patently obvious two years ago, when four more people voted for Clemens for the Hall of Fame than did Bonds.

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