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oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

leokitty posted:

I believe it but it also says something about the Mets position within MLB that they are the ones getting this shoved down their throats.

Bud can force them to do pretty much anything because their ownership hangs by the grace of Bud at this point.

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oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Also, wasn't Ichiro still learning english during his first year? Doesn't he still speak through an interpreter now at press conferences now? How the gently caress was he supposed to impart wisdom or learn through a language he doesn't fully understand?

Ichiro has spoken fluent English since before coming over, but he prefers to conduct interviews through a translator anyway. Not uncommon for foreign players who didn't come up through the American minor league system.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

seiferguy posted:

Random question, but does anyone know the average salary of a sportswriter?

This could make or break my day.

Median salary is probably free, average is going to be skewed by those at the top.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
Pos doesn't really write full biographies, he writes biographical narrative stories, usually very well. He wasn't the right guy to try and do the definitive Joe Paterno life story, even before all this had happened, and I wonder if he even intended to.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
In fairness, Francesa can be pretty good at interviews when he's into the topic, so his show is a mixture of actual good content and unintentional high comedy. I don't listen to it every minute or every day or anything, but I am a listener.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

gaxsezu posted:

I thought WFAN broadcasted the Mets?

They did.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

MassRayPer posted:

Lame. It was nice having the Yankees on WCBS since it meant I could get the signal throughout most of New England without switching stations. That does mean less of the population will be subject to him though, so that's good.

It's staying on 660 too for a period between a long time and forever.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

gaxsezu posted:

I will never understand how people can stand to listen to Francesa.

Mix of ironic listening and great interview guests.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
In more ESPN news, ESPN has issued a statement reprimanding and apologizing for Brent Musberger's ogling of Katherine Webb during the BCS Championship Game.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
Usually athletes leave inventing fake narratives to the press, not themselves.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

stuart scott irl posted:

also assuming you believe that they sat on the story in the first place

I think they've confirmed that they sat on it and are saying it was because they didn't have it sourced cold enough to publish and couldn't confirm enough details in the absence of that.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
I recognize that ESPN could be lying, yet it would seem kind of weird to me for ESPN to put themselves in a situation where they "knew" before the NCG and didn't just not mention anything but kept pushing the Te'o as inspiration storyline, though. If they were fabricating it would have made more sense for them to "learn" about it late last week.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
There's so much stupid stuff in this article I got linked to on HBT that I don't really know where to start aside from 7 and 1 being particular gems.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

MourningView posted:

We as a society really need to just quit paying attention to Darren Rovell.

I unfollowed him after the Jaime Edmondson incident and have essentially tried to delete his existence from his mind. So the SOE article ended up being a hilarious trip down memory lane.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
Here's the writer of the Whitson piece bragging to the site owner about how much traffic it will bring.

I've seen some disgusting poo poo posted about baseball prospects but this is above and beyond.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Fauxhawk Express posted:

Looks like the article's been yanked now.

With a bogus apology and still defending the meat of the article. If these guys still have a blog tomorrow SBNation should probably not get much more traffic.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
As with the disgusting Karsten Whitson article a few weeks ago, you really wonder where the hell the quality control is on these sites and how barely literate kids end up writing this garbage for them. How can SI not do better than a random 17 year old kid to be their head Rays guy?

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

leokitty posted:

I don't think any sites that are parts of ~blog networks~ by larger entities like ESPN/SI/Foxsports submit their posts for approval, nevermind editing.

Yeah I just can't imagine why those companies are willing to put their logo on this kind of unprofessional trash without any oversight.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

General Dog posted:

In reguards to all the talk about Leuke, he's clearly a piece of poo poo and should probably be in jail, but that's the failing of the legal system, and I don't think the Tampa Bay Rays or whoever chooses to employ him have any obligation to right that injustice.

Seattle's ownership came very close to firing Jack Z over lying to them about the disposition of Lueke's case (in the end Jack managed to pin it on the pro scouting director and escaped with his own job, at the cost of one of his oldest friends), and that would have deprived us of several years of hilarity, so I agree.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
You know how the MLB hive mind occasionally jokes about Fangraphs or Dave Cameron ADDING UP THE WARS as the symbol of terrible baseball analysis? Here's a new Dave Cameron Fangraphs article where he literally adds up the fWARs.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
The best part of the Dave Cameron add up the WARs series was finding out that he expects the best catchers in the AL this season to be, in order:

1.) Matt Wieters
2.) Alex Avila
3.) Sal Perez
4.) Joe Mauer
5.) Carlos Santana

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
It's kind of sad because there's a real PED problem in the Dominican (especially for young players) but poo poo like that poisons the well on actual discussion of the issue.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
Rich Cimini, perhaps the biggest rear end in a top hat writer for a major sport in New York (and think about how much ground that covers), accidentally tweeted what was obviously supposed to be a DM or text completely burying Jane McManus, who is one of the best journalists ESPN has. They're co-workers and it looks like Cimini is scared McManus might take the Jets beat from him.

Hope he gets canned.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
I'll just leave this here to avoid saying something really nasty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW_4aNTmLQ0

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

I CHALLENGE THEE posted:

My favorite fact is that Hawk Harrelson is a former White Sox General Manager. That just blows my freakin' mind every time I think about it

He is generally considered one of the worst ever at both.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

The broken bones posted:

I miss Dick Schaap :smith:

I met Dick Schaap at a library or bookstore or something like that sort of event that like three people showed up for and he was basically the coolest dude ever, shot the poo poo about sports for a couple hours and even gave me his contact info to keep in touch. (This was right around when ESPN was doing the SportsCentury top athletes of the century thing and Dick agreed with me that based on the way it was laid out that Bo Jackson really should have been number 1.) I corresponded with him a few times but I was a dumb busy kid and didn't really realize how big of a contact it was, and then he passed away pretty suddenly about a year later.

Moral of the story is that Dick Schaap really owned. :smith:

eta: He was also a very intelligent and non-reactionary dude about sports. I watched that show every loving Sunday even though it had Lupica and Albom.

oldfan fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jul 2, 2013

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
As I understand it he's basically going to build FiveThirtyEight as a news/politics oriented version Grantland, do Olbermann's new show a lot, probably do a podcast/his own type show, and do occasional shots for ABC or ESPN when they want to do pop culture predictions. I don't think they're going to make him a SportsCenter anchor or anything like that.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
Baseball also lends itself to discussions of numbers and milestones because of the nature of the game. I bet a lot more of you know what 2130/2632 or 714/755/762 means than know what 297 or 508 means in football (personally I know the baseball ones by heart and had to look up the football ones).

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

haljordan posted:

Without looking them up, is that Gehrig/Ripken consecutive game streaks, the home run records from Bonds, Ruth and Aaron and the football ones are consecutive games started (Favre) and touchdown passes (Favre again?)?

Yes.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Thaddius the Large posted:

Hey, just because every other goon project outside of a scat porn donation drive has failed miserably doesn't mean this one will too!

There is an actual mass marketed Millville Meteor baseball card coming soon!

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
Almost all of the UFC programming that is currently on FUEL is actually moving to FS1, so I really have no idea what FS2 is going to consist of other than NASCAR practices and the other poo poo that used to be on SPEED that they don't care about.

Also only like 12 people have FUEL so there's that.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

seiferguy posted:

Racing fans have SPEED which covers most major racing events (at least F1 here in the states). If not, they always have reruns of PINKS to watch, too!

SPEED is about to no longer exist; that's the channel that FOX is converting to FOX Sports 1.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Captain Internet posted:

Are you sure it was him who realized the bump in ratings or perhaps more likely higher ups that noticed that bump and then maybe pressed the producers of his show to produce similar content in the hopes of producing a similar result?

Just because the show is named after someone, doesn't mean they have creative control.

Olbermann demands editorial control over his shows, it's one of the many reasons he's bounced around so much.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
ESPN hired Michele Steele as a sports business reporter a couple of years ago. Sometimes they send her on location when there isn't a pertinent sports business story. She used to be Bloomberg's sports business person.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

midwat posted:

I thought "ESPN sports business reporter" was Darren Rovell's gig, unless they changed it to "douchebag in residence."

Steele predates Rovell's return to ESPN.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

The broken bones posted:

that's maybe the most despicable thing I've ever read.

After seeing the Post link and the title I knew it was Mushnick and decided not to read it. Mushnick is a crotchety "back in my day where white men ruled the world" kind of concern troll.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Reformed Pissboy posted:

Having never heard of this guy, I think you folks that said you stopped reading him with a mild "oh he's crotchety and trolly" dismissal should at least upgrade your dismissal to "this dude is a real piece of poo poo", because man is that a creepy, awful hit piece.

I've been reading Mushnick since I was a kid. I'm going to guess he wrote something vaguely racist and sexist, and severely out of touch, that contradicted and criticized a media narrative on a hot button issue. Is that about right? He's been doing that gimmick for at least 20 or 25 years, probably longer.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
Tomas Rios wrote a really good critique of the media handling of the Winston case, so of course his comments section is being used by Paterno deniers and other assorted weirdos.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
I wish he would have brought up that there's no plausible reason for him to have a vote and not Vin Scully, Gary Cohen, etc.

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oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Kalli posted:

Man, Highly Questionable is gonna be great this week.

I take it the HoF is likely to take away Dan's vote over this?

It would be up to the BBWAA to expel him under the current rules.

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