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onefish
Jan 15, 2004

Power and Power Remix both amazing.

I thought Good rear end Job was a great name for an album though, sad it's changed.

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onefish
Jan 15, 2004

Okay, so a big part of the appeal of Kanye for me involves all the paradoxes about him: he seems to do whatever the hell what he wants to do, but he also totally cares what people think. He's a narcissist who's also self-conscious and sometimes self-loathing. He's a major radio hitmaker who rarely plays it safe. Basically, at any point he can totally fall flat on his face, and then totally win everyone back over with the next amazing song.

That said, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is a terrible loving title that's gonna be in his discography forever and someone should have told him "no."

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

Eh, I prefer this previously rumored album cover: http://idolator.com/5650111/kanye-west-premieres-runaway-taps-m-i-a-alicia-keys-la-roux-for-fantasy

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

Brett824 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSCcD9Djj5M

Kanye on Ellen.

The diamond teeth make sense considering those front teeth were probably badly damaged in the car crash (circa 2002) and were fake/had a lot of work done to them anyway.

For whatever reason, it skeeves me out and generally I'm less of a fan of the diamond teeth than of almost anything else he's done recently. But hey, he's a provocateur, he wants to get a reaction.

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

Do both the normal and deluxe editions of the cd have the 5 different swappable album covers, or is that deluxe-with-dvd only?

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

The Modern Leper posted:

A few months later, and I'm --- not regretting, but second-guessing my decision to buy the album on vinyl. I just never listen to it: most every song is pretty high-rated in my digital library, but it's a pretty drat wearying album to take in all in one sitting.

I think I've only spun the entire thing, beginning to end, over the three platters three or four times since I bought it. Compare this to Big Boi's album, which gets dragged out about once every two weeks or so.

Hmm. Interesting perspective. I bought both on CD, but only listen to each as mp3s in genera;, and I *much* more often put on MBDTF and listen to it all the way through - fairly regularly, still, actually - as opposed to the Big Boi album, which I'll occasionally put on shuffle, and then mostly skip to the four or five songs I like most.

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

-Atom- posted:

This. Fergie's part is the only bit on the entire album I don't actually like.

Great video, and my god is Rihanna hot.

"...Rihanna looking so insanely hot that the only reference point I can think of is the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark." - What It Feels Like to Be Kanye West is What It Feels Like to Be American, Sunny Biswas, The Awl.

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

jngshin posted:

One thing that really irks me about this album is that he separated Lost in the World and the "Who Will Survive" performance.

It seems that originally, Who Will Survive was suppose to transition from Lost in the World (as it does on the Good Friday release). Try it out yourself, you'll see the transition is incredibly smooth and just works a thousand times better for both tracks.

Ha, "try it out yourself." Don't people ever listen to full albums anymore? Of course it transitions really well, and you get that transition if you just listen to the album in order, which is how I always do if I'm not going for a specific single.

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

TheJoker138 posted:

I love both of those songs. They do both go on a bit too long though, especially Blame Game. They should have cut down (or totally removed) the entire thing with Chris Rock at the end of Blame Game. I think Devil In A New Dress has the same problem too. But I still like the album more every time I listen to it.

I seem to be the only person who has no problem listening to the whole Chris Rock thing every time. And I still listen to the whole album straight through (sometimes minus Devil in a New Dress and Runaway) pretty often, all things considered. Devil in a New Dress gets my vote as most forgettable song of the album, and I'm just not all that into actually listening to Runaway, though I know it's absolutely central thematically. Recently I've finally started sitting through it on the album listens.

I think a lot of people misinterpret both Blame Game and Hell of a Life. My take: “Hell of a Life” is a song about a fantasy of not loving but *marrying* a porn star, and as such is more broadly about the idea of collapsing the barriers between fantasy and reality, both as something that many people can do, unconsciously, in a negative way, and something that legitimately and literally occurs at the extremes of fame and wealth. And “Blame Game” is about the utter collapse of a relationship with massive piles of fault on both ends, probably inspired by but not literally about Kanye’s own relationship with Amber Rose. In that case, it’s necessarily from the dude’s point of view, and so that dudely bitterness fully vented in the Chris Rock bit... which, I think, is a choice that shows Kanye knows how ridiculous, how humorous at full remove, the bitterness is. That Chris Rock bit is essential to making it clear that the song is an *exaggeration*. And I don't have a problem with actually listening to it - I think it sounds fine and like part of the song - which I guess some people don't.

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

F201 posted:

I will never understand people who prefer the censored versions of songs. Every time 'Forget' You comes on the radio I loving cringe.

The benefit of censored songs is being able to play them for people who don't listen to rap regularly and don't want to hear pussy, human being, etc all over the place.

"Forget You" is particularly pointless because nobody cares about the word "gently caress," but I can see the benefit of having a censored MBDTF in iTunes.

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

So do remixes just not get album releases? The "Power" remix was obviously great, and I thought they were saying it would be on Watch the Throne from the beginning. Doesn't matter, I'd obviously like more new music and fewer repeats, it's just weird. And I can't check from work, but if I wanted to pay money for that remix, could I, via iTunes or something?

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

Man, I was expecting brilliance after opening with No Church in the Wild, and then, while I wasn't feeling Lift Off, when I got to Niggas in Paris, figured that was the confirmation. But after that the only other one that *really* caught me was Murder to Excellence. There are several other decent songs, but even Who Gon' Stop Me and Why I Love You don't seem as *interesting* as anything off MBDTF (or Blueprint or The Black Album for that matter). "Decent" is aiming low for Kanye these days. ("Otis" seems at least like a big swing, even if it's a miss for me.) Oh, and I guess H.A.M. is worthwhile, even if it's kind of goofy, too.

On the other hand, three great songs off an album really isn't bad, and maybe I just need to give a few more listens to some of the others.

onefish
Jan 15, 2004

So there's at least *something* about this album--it's the main thing I've felt like listening to since release. Or, at least 5 or 6 songs from it are.

Weird, though: sure, it sounds more like a Kanye album, but I think Jay is probably the better lyricist on it. I guess that's not a surprise for many, but I generally liked Kanye's lyrical style better on previous albums than Jay's.

Also I love that whenever Jay-Z releases an album or features on a single I can count on hearing it blasting out of parked cars with the doors open. Kinda fun, actually.

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onefish
Jan 15, 2004

Ultraklystron posted:

It may be just wishful thinking on my part, but maybe the video is a pre-render/animated storyboard for the actual video.

I don't know how or why I keep making excuses for this dude, or what's off in my brain, but... I like it. Goofy physics and buff torso and all. Big into the sudden flashes of monster texture.

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