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modestduty posted:I don't know much about Star Wars, but every time this thread comes up, there's the SuperShadow warning. So naturally, I Googled it. I won't post a link but it's the first one that comes up. Wait, he's still going at it?
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Miketopus posted:Any idea why there's so much disassociation with Knights of the Old Republic 2? I thought it was better than the first in a lot of ways. The first is awesome, don't get me wrong, but the sequel is treated like some sort of malignant monster. Where have you actually seen this? Don't get me wrong, I'm not challenging you here, but as has been said I've rarely seen any criticism that isn't related to it's incomplete status. Is it, as SeanBeansShako said, something to do with an admitted preference for Revan?
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Traxus IV posted:I recently found out that an acquaintance of mine was an honest-to-god "fandalorian" type. He referred to Traviss as Karen and everything. It was so sad. I honestly feel bad for him, he's a nice enough person but christ. After gushing about her books and how the Jedi get away with so much terrible poo poo he went on a rant about the New Mandalorians in the CG Clone Wars cartoon. I regret mentioning Star Wars in his presence (Celebration is in town and on people's minds here, sooo). I absolutely love the changes new clone wars cartoon has made to them, if only because of reactions like that.
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Aug 15, 2010 21:38
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yay I'm betting whoever wrote that thinks it's a bad thing. Why would anyone think that is a bad thing?
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Aug 16, 2010 03:25
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Angry Midwesterner posted:This feels like a Make Fun of TFN day. Let's see what those neckbeards are Not to launch a political derail, but I'm curious to find out what this kind of theforce.net dweller would consider "socialist opression." Big Mean Jerk posted:How can you post that and skip over the part that said Aaron Allston is writing a new Wraith Squadron novel? I might actually buy one of these Star Wars books for the first time in years when that comes out.
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Pretend Squirrel posted:I realize this was covered in the OP, but can we talk about Karen Traviss a little bit? I'm fully aware that she's a little bit crazy, but none of you guys thought stories about the Mandalorians were cool? I enjoyed the Republic Commandos books immensely. She had that thing about making GBS threads on Jedi, but I think it IS a little bit hosed up that the Jedi took the keys to this clone army with hardly a second thought. I've always enjoyed stories where the Jedi aren't portrayed as infallible as they are in the movies. (I also know that even sort-of defending Traviss may cue That may just be a problem with the movies, but wasn't it shown in most of the EU material that the Jedi did face a number of ethical difficulties, often deep ones, in taking command in this fashion? I just remember hearing that this was expanded on, as I haven't really looked at anything from that era in a long time.
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Aug 17, 2010 00:45
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Throb Robinson posted:This gem hasn't been posted in ages. Scroll down til you see a poster named Yodakenobi, This is fantastic review of sacrifice. I still laugh hard when I give it a reread now and then. I haven't read anything on those boards in like a year, and for some reason I thought he was one of her strongest defenders. It was an interesting dissection. Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Aug 17, 2010 |
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Chairman Capone posted:I actually think that personal dislike of Traviss is pretty justified. She did do stuff like compare her detractors to the Taliban, write about fantasies in which they were killed, mocked them for having less sex than her imaginary characters, and posted about how she hated them in forums around the internet that had nothing to do with Star Wars and/or the issue at hand, essentially furthering the same pro-Traviss/anti-Traviss debate at the same time she claimed she just wanted it to end. Then there is her tendency to cry sexism or anti-military bias at all of her critics. She's incredibly petty, vindictive and two-faced, so yes, I think those are personal issues that do affect my ability to enjoy her work. I really have to wonder how the people around her took that. And has she always felt this way, like, since A New Hope came out? Because that's kind of hosed up.
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Aug 17, 2010 05:44
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Lismi Busea. I guess that's Star-Warsy enough.
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Aug 17, 2010 19:40
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Where did the famous phrase "I sure am sick of these Star Wars" originally come from? I think it was from an episode of Upright Citizens Brigade, and that it went "I'm just tired of all these Star Wars." On Edit: Beaten.
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Aug 26, 2010 04:27
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momtartin posted:Here's a question for you. Does everyone in the EU (including the general public) ever find out that Luke and Leia are siblings? Or that Darth Vader used to be their father? Just kinda curious to know how that would turn out for them. Or is it just a select few people that know about this? Siblings I'm pretty sure is well known, though I really don't know about Vader (it's been years, really.)
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Aug 27, 2010 05:54
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DarthMRN posted:EU scholar What does this involve? A doctorate in Mary Sue Studies with a specialization in Depending On The Writer?
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Chairman Capone posted:That led me to this: Why the gently caress did they even hire her to write for them in the first place?
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I guess it's all part of her being proud of not paying attention to what anyone else wrote, but wasn't it established that the Jedi were some of the only ones who viewed clones as something more than droids made out of meat?
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Drighton posted:Now what I don't exactly recall is when the Anakin Solo issue came up. They were building Anakin up to be the next strongest Jedi with all the midichlorians or whatever, but once the idea of Ben Skywalker came around, Lucas said Ben would be the successor. I've heard people say that he just didn't want another Jedi named Anakin as an eventual leader, but that sounds too simplistic even for Lucas.
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Traxus IV posted:Funfact: one of those other guys honest to god named his son Anakin. After hearing him talk poo poo about the Jedi for a few hours I can only imagine that he named his son after the guy who killed off the Jedi Order because he hates them so much. I know there's no monolithic, correct interpretation of Star Wars and it's fictional universe, but I really wonder how these people can really consider themselves Star Wars fans. I mean, their great idol pretty much hated all of it, even if she never said so directly. And what is it with Fandalorians and right-wing politics (I can only guess that you were thinking of that)? I still remember in the old thread the mentions of that near-Monarchist Catholic fandalorian who had a meltdown when he finally realized that Traviss had included a gay couple in her work.
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Oct 12, 2010 21:59
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Casimir Radon posted:Telling Christians that the dualist concepts that characterize Christianity today weren't part of early Judaism until after the exile, and were probably introduced through Zoroastrian influence is fun. Especially through the idea that the conception of Satan as he now exists is likely derived from Angra Mainyu.
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Nckdictator posted:Abraham Palpatine It's really hard for me to want to go and reread his old Lando books when he's writing poo poo like this.
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Captain von Trapp posted:So the rebel base really was on Dantooine? Wasn't it established somewhere that they had one up and running (or near to that, at any rate) for several months, only to find Imperial spy equipment in a cargo shipment that led them to abandoning it within a few days?
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Nov 3, 2010 00:57
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Casimir Radon posted:And retards act like this is the deepest story ever. Wait, people seriously argue there's depth to this?
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NGL posted:Three words: Psychic Force Clit. Ok, I really need to know the context behind this one.
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Nov 8, 2010 06:22
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SeanBeansShako posted:That deleted scene made Grevious look more like a serial rapist with the way he touched Shaak-Ti. I am certain there are frightening amounts of fanfiction built around this concept.
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Fox of Stone posted:Why do you guys call him Jorge? It was a one-off joke from RLM's Phantom Menace Review. Towards the very end, I think.
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So, it basically sounds like they tried to create the exact opposite of what Karren Travis did, but as it turns out, the opposite of poo poo is also poo poo?
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Walldo posted:I don't know if that is really storyline inconsistencies, it can easily just be written off as Obi-Wan just being a crotchety old man. For the most part, I'd imagine it's all just George's playground.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Since Palpatine set up the Empire to give the galaxy a fighting chance against the Yuuzhan Vong, it makes him more like Space Abraham Lincoln than Space Hitler. Timothy Zahn is a lot of fun, really. Given that his Empire had the foresight to place the auxilary control systems for the Executor almost right behind the main bridge (I think this was discussed several pages back here, though Wookiepedia just mentions the crew in the auxiliary control center being unable to regain control), I doubt they would have faired too well against them. Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 30, 2010 |
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ZeeToo posted:I said that. That was a joke; not any level of canon.  I guess that would have been a bit too much for them.But I'm still not so sure they would have faired any better.
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ZeeToo posted:"Tales of the Bounty Hunters", for this one. Compared to most EU crap, that and "Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina" were pretty decent.
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that awful man posted:Would you have filed a complaint? And who would they have complained to? I mean, wasn't Vader the second-in-command of the entire Empire?
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thrawn527 posted:Tarkin was in charge on the Death Star, but it's always been a little murky who ranked higher in the Empire. I think it depended on the situation. Not to mention, when he was killing the officers in ESB, this was after the disaster of the Death Star, after which I think he was given more control. The point is, by the time ESB came around, Vader was outranked only by the Emperor itself. Hmm, I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Palpatine actually had legally established Vader as the second-ranking power in the Empire by A New Hope, though I guess that wasn't always the case (influenced, of course, by the changes in the overall story that occured between production of Episodes 4 and 5.)
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Fledgling Gulps posted:Are there other major religions besides force worship in Star Wars? I ask just because Solo tells that guy in the hanger on Hoth that he'll see him in hell, and I'm willing to bet the EU has an explanation for it. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corellian_religion And the only effort that's been put into it is for it to serve as a reason for the word "hell" being used in Star Wars. It certainly isn't a "major religion," by that standard.
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Duckman2008 posted:Also, wasn't it in a Zahn book that the cave is strong in the darkside because Yoda killed a dark jedi (or Sith) there? Actually, it was another member of Yoda's species who killed a random Dark Jedi inside the cave, and whose blood seeped into the ground.
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arioch posted:Then some total loving tool took that outline and stuck it into the prehistory. What would be the point of doing that? I mean, yeah, EU writers and all that, but why not do the comic within the outline Zahn gave?
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Chairman Capone posted:It's funny, most Traviss fans say something like "She's the only author who ever touched upon the ethics of the clone army!" but I remember a lot of the Clone Wars EU from before she was around had it as a theme. It's a pretty big theme in the Cestus Deception novel (where clones and their culture is a big feature, as well as a clone slowly becoming more like a 'real' person) and the Republic comic series featured it a LOT, also. This is definetly the case from what I remember, as there it did seem like it was made clear that the Jedi did view them as individuals (not universally, I think, but for the most part), and did care enough about them not to treat them as disposable people (in the way a number of Republic bureaucrats did.) But then, given Traviss' apparent pride in the fact that she never read the material of anyone else in the EU, it's not surprising that would never come up for her. In fact, while they weren't free from problems, I would say the Republic comics were a high point of the EU. Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jan 14, 2011 |
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Chaos Hippy posted:Cadet, if I remember right (it is entirely possible that I remember wrong). He did make it to Lieutenant before, of course, he saved Chewbacca's life and got a dishonorable discharge.
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yronic heroism posted:And who other than Drew Karpshyn, who cut his teeth video game novelizations with the Baldur's Gate series, to write it? I still can't believe I actually tried to read those things when I found them in a used book store years back.
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Ninja_Orca posted:He's been writing the Mass Effect novels as well. They've been ranging from '...decent' to poor, so I don't have high hopes for this. Even "...decent" seems pretty generous, though that's just based on my hearing of other's opinions (the Mass Effect thread in games, back when I used to skip through it) and not personal exposure.
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Holy Cow posted:Am I right in thinking Revan will be male in the book, and the Exile female? Well, if it's true that people used to continually change the Exile's gender on Wookiepedia to male, he'll probably end up doing so to appease that crowd. Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Apr 28, 2011 |
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yronic heroism posted:Oh, Star Wars fans DarthPhilosopher posted:Having researched and learnt about the Nazis, Hitler and the Second World War passionately I have reached a conundrum in which I am of the belief certain aspects of Hitlers leadership is a quality which would idealistically consist of a hypothetical ultra-leader of society. Now I am definitely not talking about persecution and intolerance which Hitler harboured, but rather the leadership qualities and charisma of the man. It is an undeniable fact that Hitler was a charismatic man whose ability to spur and unite the German nation took it from a economic mess to a world super-power in less than a decade. Now before you say it I know part of this unification of the German people was because of his intolerance and persecution of minorities, something which is definitely not admirable accomplishment. Rather I am talking about the charisma which allowed him to enthuse people into a common or individual goal. That place is just getting creepier and creepier.
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Chairman Capone posted:Traviss took the chapter from The Unifying Force the Mandalorians appeared in and wrote an ebook tie-in to LOTF that involved the Mandalorians finding out about the Vong in advance and learning all about them and being the only ones brave enough to fight them and trying their best to tell the Jedi and New Republic about them only for the Jedi to shun the kindly Mandalorian offers of friendship. And yet, there are people who see her departure as a bad thing. Not to say that it's been nothing but wondrous strides forward without her, but still...
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