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Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
Yeah I'm mostly talking about the people who think that vaccines are a conspiracy to give everyone a heart attack two years from now or to do mind control on people or adrenochrome harvesting or whatever when I say conspiracy theories. there's plenty of actual conspiracies that happen in real life (epstein, mkultra, gladio, the FBI and CIA murdering anyone who organizes meaningful resistance to imperialism, price fixing for medicine or groceries or basically everything else, etc) that are well documented and inarguably real events that happened but they're pretty mundane and don't involve violating physical reality or the basics of common sense.

Yoga is just an exercise regimen from india that sometimes gets hijacked by influencers and has a cultural connotation with liberalism but doesn't inherently make people stupid or whatever. It's got some pretty good scientific evidence for it's health benefits even. There's still leftover stigma against yoga as being a liberal thing and I don't think you'll meet a lot of straight up conservative christian reactionaries at any yoga class but it's become a pretty politically neutral space over the years if you avoid the ones based around gurus or influencers or whatever.

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Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Earwicker posted:

ive practiced yoga on and off for decades and never heard anyone mention any kind of conspiracy, nor anything related to politics at all :confused:

it's almost entirely focused on breathing and stretching and bodily movements, and yes there is sometimes a "spiritual side" that is there to varying degrees in different practices but the focus of that is still very much on peacefulness and emptying the mind and, ultimately, just making your body feel better. and its a pretty small part of it. i have no idea how anyone is connecting that to right wing conspiracies, or to conspiracies of any political persuasion for that matter. 99% of what you hear in a typical yoga class is just specific instructions about where to place/move your body and thats pretty much it

nor anything to do with crystals for that matter. like i get that, in a broad social sense people in the us still stereotypically associate yoga with "hippies" (though that seems like a very boomer mentality to me) and thus also with crystals and thus with the type of thinking that leads to qanon but suggesting there is a "pipeline" from yoga to rightwing conspiracies seems like a pretty huge stretch. like ive just literally never heard anyone mention politics at all in 25 years of going to yoga classes all over the place. nor heard anything about the magical power of crystals. though ive avoided some of the "cultier" seeming ones i guess maybe thats why

I read an account by a former yoga instructor not so long ago, and apparently there are some very sketch yoga studios out there. Wellness superstition, emotionally manipulative teachers and all sorts of cultish weirdness. They only fell into the rabbit hole because they decided to make it their lifestyle and there are studios that cater to that. It's probably a minority, I don't know anybody who has had similar experiences.

Jyrraeth
Aug 1, 2008

I love this dino
SOOOO MUCH

Bikram Choudhury of Bikram/Hot yoga isn't a very good person and has a bunch of sexual assault allegations and a bunch of messy legal stuff going on according to Wikipedia. So much that he won't/can't enter the US anymore?

So there's that ateasg.

Joan
Mar 28, 2021

What's the sample in this song that goes er huh yay her, er er hey ehr hey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVXeWfFTFGo

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

The yoga to conspiracy probably starts with thinking that getting your body in peak yoga condition is the answer to health problems. From there, it's a small step to reject (some) Western medicine (especially since big pharma makes it easy), and now you're already doing your own research on Google and rejecting accepted explanations. 95% of yoga doesn't go this way though.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024

Joan posted:

What's the sample in this song that goes er huh yay her, er er hey ehr hey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVXeWfFTFGo

It's from a sample collection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrfvNJjDjH8

Supposed to be track 91 in that video, dunno if that's true or not.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Why are mass-produced cigarettes referred to as "tailor made"?

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?

Tiggum posted:

Why are mass-produced cigarettes referred to as "tailor made"?

They are? Where? I've never been a smoker, but have never heard that term used for cigarettes.

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




Tiggum posted:

Why are mass-produced cigarettes referred to as "tailor made"?

I went on a google hunt because I hadn't heard this and I used to be a smoker. Being a non-english speaker it was not a term I heard. Apparently "tailor made" means produced in a factory and "hand rolled" is the alternative.

From what I gathered "tailor made" refers to them being consistent and standard. Like they took the term tailoring, which means to make clothes fit you perfectly but applied it to just mean a consistently fitting cigarette compared to wonky hand rolled ones.

I'm not sure if this is correct, but it's what I found.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
I think in this context it's meant to imply that those cigarettes are made specifically for a certain type of customer. It's meant to imply exclusivity and value through individual specialty, even though in reality it's just a drug that comes out of a factory for people who made a very bad decision and are paying a great deal of money for it.

two fish
Jun 14, 2023

I don't know the best way to word this, so please forgive me if it comes across as insensitive, it's just coming out of a place of wanting to understand something I've had no experience or contact with.

How do people get hooked on hardcore drugs? I'm talking stuff like cocaine, heroin, etc. There's heaps of evidence that they're terrible for you and are extremely addictive and will destroy your life, and I doubt that anyone at this point is truly ignorant of what happens, so why do they start?

litany of gulps
Jun 11, 2001

Fun Shoe
On my phone and the website isn’t loading for whatever reason, but I recall reading on the CDC’s overview of the opioid crisis that the majority of heroin users start out by being prescribed opioid drugs, usually for chronic pain management, then turn to street drugs after becoming addicted.

The article that I had originally read doesn't appear to be available, but it was from the NIH, not the CDC. Closest I can find is stuff like this:
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/prescription-opioids-heroin/introduction

I had an old copy of the original article, bulleted data points say this:
"Roughly 21 to 29 percent of patients prescribed opioids for chronic pain misuse them.
Between 8 and 12 percent of people using an opioid for chronic pain develop an opioid use disorder.
An estimated 4 to 6 percent who misuse prescription opioids transition to heroin.
About 80 percent of people who use heroin first misused prescription opioids."

litany of gulps fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Apr 21, 2024

Lawnie
Sep 6, 2006

That is my helmet
Give it back
you are a lion
It doesn't even fit
Grimey Drawer

two fish posted:

I don't know the best way to word this, so please forgive me if it comes across as insensitive, it's just coming out of a place of wanting to understand something I've had no experience or contact with.

How do people get hooked on hardcore drugs? I'm talking stuff like cocaine, heroin, etc. There's heaps of evidence that they're terrible for you and are extremely addictive and will destroy your life, and I doubt that anyone at this point is truly ignorant of what happens, so why do they start?

It’s fun to do drugs, you forgot to mention that part

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


two fish posted:

How do people get hooked on hardcore drugs? I'm talking stuff like cocaine, heroin, etc. There's heaps of evidence that they're terrible for you and are extremely addictive and will destroy your life, and I doubt that anyone at this point is truly ignorant of what happens, so why do they start?
Well, a little bit won't do you any harm, really. You can try cocaine just this once. It's not like you're going to get addicted from one time.

And, you know what? That one time was pretty good. Wouldn't hurt to do it just once more, right?

Well, look, it's not like it's every day or even every week, it's really just once a month. Once every two months even. Just when there's a party or something.

Today's an exception. It doesn't count. I'm only cheating this once.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
Hard drugs are sick as hell and they make your brain want more.

If you ever try heroin you'll see immediately why people let their lives fall apart in pursuit of it along with being hugely addictive, and meth is inherently habit-forming and makes you feel superhuman. Cocaine isn't as addictive as either of them but it also makes you feel pretty hype and if you have easy access to it you'll just do it over and over.

I think a big part of why so many people don't avoid them as much as they should is that we get lied to a lot about generalized drugs in school so people think "well if they were lying about weed and psychadelics maybe they were also lying about dope and speed" and then it turns out doing dope and speed are legitimately way worse than trying weed or mushrooms or acid or whatever.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



People are just really really extremely bad with risk assessment, especially when the harm isn't immediate and guaranteed. Like, everyone, pretty much.



E: ignore the to text in the image

Taima
Dec 31, 2006

tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know
Yeah sure it's about slowly ramping use and how much of a slippery slope that can be. The immeasurably potent appeal of feeling good on demand. That's all true.

But it's imo way more about health. If you're not doing well mentally or physically, drugs are far more attractive. The first step in drug addiction is usually some form of health issue, whether its someone with pain taking an opiate, or something with depression... well, taking an opiate or coke or whatever to feel good.

I've never met an addict who was truly happy on a baseline level. Or even satisfied. You get addicted to drugs because you are wanting. The emotional component is the first step every time.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

two fish posted:

How do people get hooked on hardcore drugs? I'm talking stuff like cocaine, heroin, etc. There's heaps of evidence that they're terrible for you and are extremely addictive and will destroy your life, and I doubt that anyone at this point is truly ignorant of what happens, so why do they start?

Wesley Crusher had this exact same question. Here, let Tasha Yar explain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHhaE6aYRk&t=8s

(This scene is kind of infamous for being a very 1980s PSA moment, but honestly it's a good explanation.)

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Taima posted:

I've never met an addict who was truly happy on a baseline level. Or even satisfied. You get addicted to drugs because you are wanting. The emotional component is the first step every time.

thats true in many cases but really not as universally as this

many people get hooked on hardcore drugs that they are prescribed, legitimately, for things like recovering from surgery or dealing with some form of physical pain. not because they are emotionally "wanting" or from some sense of unhappiness. quite a lot of people fall into opioid addiction this way.

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Earwicker posted:

thats true in many cases but really not as universally as this

many people get hooked on hardcore drugs that they are prescribed, legitimately, for things like recovering from surgery or dealing with some form of physical pain. not because they are emotionally "wanting" or from some sense of unhappiness. quite a lot of people fall into opioid addiction this way.

Yes but since they participate in Western society they by definition cannot be happy or satisfied, so the point still applies.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

two fish posted:

I don't know the best way to word this, so please forgive me if it comes across as insensitive, it's just coming out of a place of wanting to understand something I've had no experience or contact with.

How do people get hooked on hardcore drugs? I'm talking stuff like cocaine, heroin, etc. There's heaps of evidence that they're terrible for you and are extremely addictive and will destroy your life, and I doubt that anyone at this point is truly ignorant of what happens, so why do they start?

It's usually, almost universally, because of the conditions external to the drugs rather than the drugs themselves. The nature of addiction is that you're using the drug to get relief from pain of some sort. The addiction conditions that you're talking about, and I'm saying this without being mad about it or anything, are more the result of being poor, having untreated mental struggles, or whatever else. A lot more people than you'd expect do hard drugs like cocaine and heroin regularly with little to no ill effects. Poverty, mental illness, and other things like chronic pain conditions are incredibly destructive. We tend to blame drugs for a bunch of historically complicated reasons (or, as a really simple explanation: racism). And because the drugs available to most people are not regulated, controlled, and managed to actually be what they're being described as, and in the dosage that's being claimed.


But don't take my word for it, read this book by a neuropharmacology researcher at Columbia who has done addiction research for a very long time, and has gone from 'Just Say No is the best and only policy' to 'fully legalize and regulate everything'

https://www.amazon.com/Drug-Use-Grown-Ups-Chasing-Liberty/dp/1101981644

Yngwie Mangosteen fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 21, 2024

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

criminalizing addiction, and addictive substances, is monumentally stupid if the goal is harm reduction or reducing the amount of addiction in society

but if the goal is, instead, maintaining and growing a for-profit prison system, then criminalizing addiction and addictive substances is a vital strategy. it also helps with other related goals like creating a culture of fear of ones neighbors and justifying a police state.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Apr 21, 2024

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Is there a thread for the administrative crackdown at Columbia University? Multiple professors have said that their swipe cards no longer work, and if they want to enter a building they have to be escorted by police.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

I don't think anyone mentioned peer pressure in relation to drug use, but surely that's also relevant in some cases. Say, if you're in a biker gang or a kitchen or the 80s, everyone else is probably doing coke and they're offering you some, so are you gonna be a nerd and refuse or do a line like everyone else?

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Is there a thread for the administrative crackdown at Columbia University? Multiple professors have said that their swipe cards no longer work, and if they want to enter a building they have to be escorted by police.

I don't think so, there's a palestine thread in cspam and dnd but i don't think there's a lot of columbia professors on SA generally speaking.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Just to add a couple details to the opiate addiction topic. Oxycontin's patent was related to it's time-release delivery. It would (in theory) deliver the drugs at a steady, known dosage for 12 full hours. So, doctors could safely prescribe exactly the amount the patients needed, which can be tricky with controlled substances. Except it didn't work; I'm not sure if it never worked or got screwed up in the production process somehow. But people's pain meds were running out after 8 hours instead of 12, so they needed to take more than they had been prescribed and it was addictive on top of that. Then they went to shady doctors to get more (because they were in chronic pain and now were addicted to an opiate), and when that didn't work anymore they went to some guy their friends had heard of who could get you something. The Sackler family made billions because Purdue Pharma insisted for years that there was nothing wrong with the drug and millions of people were all just abusing it to death for fun or something.


Here's a really interesting book on the subject of addiction in general and talks about many different drugs: Never Enough: The Neuroscience and Experience of Addiction

quote:

From a renowned behavioral neuroscientist and recovered drug addict, an authoritative and accessible guide to understanding drug addiction: clearly explained brain science and vivid personal stories reveal how addiction happens, show why specific drugs--from opioids to alcohol to coke and more--are so hard to kick, and illuminate the path to recovery for addicts, loved ones, caregivers, and crafters of public policy.

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

I know someone that's having a house built and I've told them they should just go ahead and wire it for networking before the drywall goes up to save themselves some headache. What's the highest grade of networking a contractor in 2024 would have heard of? Should they just ask for "ethernet"? Cat6? Cat6a? Cat7?

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Earwicker posted:

but if the goal is, instead, maintaining and growing a for-profit prison system, then criminalizing addiction and addictive substances is a vital strategy. it also helps with other related goals like creating a culture of fear of ones neighbors and justifying a police state.

I find it hard to believe that these were deliberate, planned goals rather than convenient consequences of policy decisions. I think you're giving conservatives too much credit by implying that they were smart enough to know what the results were going to be beforehand.

They don't play 3D chess, they fling poo at the wall and if it makes patterns they like so much the better

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
Goals don't need to be planned out on advance for systems to form around the cracks and flaws in policy and become entrenched.

That said, criminalizing PoC was absolutely planned and enacted on purpose.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
A tangled skein of bad opinions, the hottest takes, and the the world's most misinformed nonsense. Do not engage with me, it's useless, and better yet, put me on ignore.
What is a kid's first exposure to goatse like? There's some point where we all eventually see it. For me it was when I was like 15 but it was such a shock thing back then. Do kids show each other this on their phones, to shock each other? Do parents sit down and have a talk about, how some time, when they're older, they're going to see something called goatse... ?

Maybe parents are like, let's tear this off like a bandaid, call a family meeting, we all gotta look at something as a family

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆
well there are lots of goon parents now so that's got to have happened at least one or two times

obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005

My neighbor's house is pressed up against mine so we're basically sharing a wall and he's been blasting some heavy bass. The house is super old, and it's loud enough to rattle things on my wall. I can also feel the bass in a whole other room. Talking to the guy hasn't done much and the dude just seems really immature and has a real willingness to escalate things.

So I was thinking, since I have a bunch of Ikea Kallex shelves, I could move them along the wall, stick some acoustic panels (the ridges would be facing the wall as opposed to facing me) into each of the Kallex squares and hopefully dampen some of the bass. I'll also have the books in front of the acoustic panels so maybe that will help as well. Is this a decent idea or a fruitless endeavor?

CrazySalamander
Nov 5, 2009
Probably fruitless. IIRC frequency sounds have more energy than higher frequencies, so loud bass needs a lot to absorb it. If you built a heavy wall in the space between the houses that wasn’t connected to either house that would help.

mystes
May 31, 2006

credburn posted:

What is a kid's first exposure to goatse like? There's some point where we all eventually see it. For me it was when I was like 15 but it was such a shock thing back then. Do kids show each other this on their phones, to shock each other? Do parents sit down and have a talk about, how some time, when they're older, they're going to see something called goatse... ?

Maybe parents are like, let's tear this off like a bandaid, call a family meeting, we all gotta look at something as a family
I don't think I even actually got a good look at it until a couple years ago because during its heyday I somehow managed to avoid looking at it full on when I encountered it

Nowadays, off of SA I don't think it's that common so I imagine that most people on the Internet haven't seen it ut

mystes fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Apr 22, 2024

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



wash bucket posted:

I know someone that's having a house built and I've told them they should just go ahead and wire it for networking before the drywall goes up to save themselves some headache. What's the highest grade of networking a contractor in 2024 would have heard of? Should they just ask for "ethernet"? Cat6? Cat6a? Cat7?
Home network thread

But it's going to come down to the fact that you can get gigabit on pretty much anything, for the distances in typical houses, and for going above that, people are using adapters using coax or pulling their own fiber and all sorts of weird poo poo. The key thing is that the cable should be in conduit, so a new type of thing can be pulled easily in the future. In wall cables should end in punch down panels, not crimped.

Ask for better informed opinions in that thread.

obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005

CrazySalamander posted:

Probably fruitless. IIRC frequency sounds have more energy than higher frequencies, so loud bass needs a lot to absorb it. If you built a heavy wall in the space between the houses that wasn’t connected to either house that would help.

Man my neighbor sucks so much.

two fish
Jun 14, 2023

Let me be blunt with you: if it's possible, and you have the means to do so, just move. Get out. Please. I've been in your situation. There is no escape. You cannot reason with these people.

Once, I was in a situation similar to yours. I had three nightmare neighbors. Two of them were gigantic families living in single bedroom apartments, with one up above and one diagonal, and one was a dude who would blast nothing but extreme bass at all times of day to drown out the noise, which only made this all even worse.

I tried every possible solution. Simply talking to them didn't work. Nor did talking to the landlord company. You think management cares as long as they're paying rent? Thumping the wall with a broomstick makes it worse. You cannot, by any measure, perform any sort of soundproofing that will stop that sort of noise. Even stabbing your eardrums out with a screwdriver will not hold back the vibrations. I was seriously considering doing this at some low points.

By the end of my time in what, by all measures, was a slum, I was sleeping on a mattress in my kitchen because that was the only spot I could sleep in, and only from 11:30 PM to 6:30 AM. I was absolutely delirious from the repeated waking up and lack of sleep. By some international conventions this would probably be considered torture.

Nothing is more valuable than your sanity and your quality of life. You only have a finite amount of time on this planet. Don't let this be your experience on it.

DildenAnders
Mar 16, 2016

"I recommend Batman especially, for he tends to transcend the abysmal society in which he's found himself. His morality is rather rigid, also. I rather respect Batman.â€Â

two fish posted:

I don't know the best way to word this, so please forgive me if it comes across as insensitive, it's just coming out of a place of wanting to understand something I've had no experience or contact with.

How do people get hooked on hardcore drugs? I'm talking stuff like cocaine, heroin, etc. There's heaps of evidence that they're terrible for you and are extremely addictive and will destroy your life, and I doubt that anyone at this point is truly ignorant of what happens, so why do they start?

Not the most scientific contribution but I feel like sexual abuse is substantially more common than anyone wants to admit, and the damage associated with it makes many people look for ways to escape life, drugs being one of the most common.
The impact to people's critical thinking and self-worth minimizes the importance of the negative effects.

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school
Dinosaur Gum

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

What is the best brand of pants that look like regular belt pants but are actually stretchy elastic band drawstring pants?

They can look like khakis, or jeans, or anything, as long as they don't look like regular sweatpants or joggers or whatever. I'm done with regular pants and not yet ready to go full muumuu.

I mostly swaddle myself in athleisurewear but I know there's something more classy along the same lines. Recommendations?

Something like these?

Duluth also has some stuff that's real stretchy for pants

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Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

I have a really dumb and really random question that has bothered me for years. Here's the place to ask I guess!

In Disney's Aladdin (the original animated one from 1995 or whenever that was) I could swear that the opening song, "Arabian Nights" had slightly different lyrics in the original theatrical release.

I quite clearly remember the dude singing "Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face./ It's barbaric but hey, it's home!"

But when I got the movie on VHS, the line was definitely "It's black and immense and the heat is intense." Nothing about cutting off ears.

Did kid me just imagine this or did they really change it between theatrical release and home video?

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