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I wonder if Lapponian Herders qualify as a primitive breed? They've been shown to carry a mitochondrial marker suggesting a recent hybridization with wolves, they are classified as spitzes as far as I know and the tails of some individuals are definitely curly enough. A sample tail: Edit: RizieN, I think the current consensus based on DNA evidence is that all dogs originate from a population of wolves domesticated tens of thousands of years ago somewhere in what is now China, if I recall the location correctly. The variable phenotypes of dog breeds as we know them now are a product of centuries of selective breeding. Neoteny is linked to why we've ended up with dogs that don't look like wolves at all. Rixatrix fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Sep 8, 2010 |
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WolfensteinBag posted:Also, tail curling *technically* has nothing to do with whether or not a dog is primitive! Wolves themselves don't even have any curl to their tail, it's definitely a dog trait as opposed to a wolfy one. There was discussion earlier about spitz type dogs being assholes when playing. I need to get some video of my duo going at it, because they tend to attract comments like "Are you really sure they're just playing?"  In the meantime I'll just post some pics.They think this is a good way to initiate play. Not many dogs agree.  I think my friend's lagotto felt bullied  Sequence of play: run, crash, wrestle, repeat. Play-bite if you can.    
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Sep 8, 2010 17:05
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Captain Foxy posted:Keeper's so small that he basically just body-checks everyone in the ankles before bunny-rabbiting away.  "paisleyfox posted:Also, those dogs look like they are having a BALL!  Now he has another idiot to play with as much as he likes, though I must say Rho is much, much better with adjusting his play to the dog he's playing with. We can even take Rho to dog parks.
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Sep 8, 2010 20:02
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rivals posted:As a slight derail, the nerd in me loves your dogs' names. Tesla was discarded when most people thought we were getting a female pup (wtf??) Then again, I recently realized naming my dogs Pi and Rho is kind of like naming them A and B, but it's not like they care.Swedish Vallhunds rock! I saw one (I think) at an agility trial last weekend. 
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Sep 9, 2010 07:49
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Kaidan is absolutely adorable! How long does it take for your dogs to finish shedding? I think Rho shed (well more than normally) for about a week, but Pi manages to find undercoat to push out after five weeks of furminating and vacuuming. Even when they're not getting rid of their undercoat it's ridiculous how much these guys shed. I think our apartment had a fairly hairless two months last winter when it was below -10C for weeks on end. It was awesome 
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Sep 10, 2010 06:20
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WolfensteinBag posted:I mean, hell, people tend to get ANY Primitive Breed without knowing what they're getting in to )Also, I have a surplus of pics of Primitive Breeds doing Agility. To alleviate this, have an Agility Malamute:  and a Lapponian Herder  and a Finnish Lapphund 
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Sep 16, 2010 12:25
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paisleyfox posted:Because many of these dogs aren't the lovey snuggle bunny kind of dogs, but Koji (and other Shibas I know) wants to be in the same room as I am in, but never all upons me. My Lapponians now are independent compared to almost any herding breed and not as biddable. Still they'll be complete snugglebunnies every now and then.
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Sep 24, 2010 19:25
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The Lapponians keep multiplying     (I'm only looking after him until he finds a permanent home. He's adorable and makes Pi and Rho act all horrified )
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Oct 24, 2010 19:20
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The puppy's ears have arrived
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Nov 3, 2010 08:07
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I gave all three dogs chew bones yesterday. After Pi had eaten his, this happened The greedy bastard's also eaten a silicone muffin wrapper and countless paper ones with no consequence other than colored poo.
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Nov 4, 2010 09:28
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I taught both Pi and Rho with luring. I just took a super tasty treat and pushed it out of their reach between their front legs toward their rib cage. The dog tries to follow the treat with his nose but can’t, and will then fold into a pretty, collected, elbows-first down If they tried to back up, I just did it in a corner. Rho is painfully difficult to get to stay down though. He’ll pop up in a fraction of a second, even though I’ve never reinforced him in a sitting or standing position if he got the click for a down.
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Oh god my dogs are so aggressive       To be honest I had to intervene a couple of times. The snarling and growling between Pi and Rho got a tone I didn't like, I think Rho got fed up with Pi being the loud rear end in a top hat he always is. He just BARKSBARKSBARKS and body slams all other dogs. Rho's usually pretty tolerant of him, but now it seemed he was getting fed up.
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rivals posted:She also scanned and burned his x-rays to a CD for me which is kindof cool, so that I can easily give it to new vets since I have to now mail the x-rays back to our old vet 200 miles away, so I guess if anyone wants to see them I can post them.  I'm happy you found another vet you feel better about. Hopefully Kaidan will keep on being painless and mobile for as long as possible! Pi is going in to get his left eye fixed on Tuesday. The vet said she doesn't want to operate both eyes, because Pi's right eye has so much vision left that if something goes wrong with the surgery, he might end up with worse vision in that eye than he would've had without the operation. The recovery period worries me a bit. Pi'll have to wear the cone of shame without ANY breaks for 1-2 weeks and he needs to go without major exercise, chewing, barking (yeah right), playing etc. for a full month. This for a dog that's used to being active. It might be painful.
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a life less posted:Do you get complimentary coma pills after the surgery? Maybe a large bat with which to knock him unconscious when he gets uppity? Unfortunately the vet had ran out of coma pills when I asked. I'll ask about the bat, though. But seriously, a friend of mine who went through this with her dog said that the dog just got depressed after a few days and stopped trying to do anything. It sounds horrible, but it made things a lot easier for them. I feel horrible Pi's having to go through this, I really hope it'll be worth it in the end. Frozen Kongs have been very high on my (very short) list of ideas for Things That Will Keep Pi Busy. I was thinking of focusing on training/polishing the Comp Ob things that don't require running, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea. He might get unwanted associations to those things ("This is what we do when my eye hurts/I'm wearing this stupid cone/when I don't get to do anything else"). I'm horrible with teaching tricks. Competitions give me motivation to work with my dogs, and if that's taken out of the picture, training becomes much more of a chore for me.
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rivals posted:You can see his left (our right) joint is very shallow. They've also all said that his right is moderate at well.  No need to compare pics, that's for sure. I only posted Rho's since I usually find it helpful to see what things should look like when evaluating changes, but Kaidan's left hip is obviously bad. It seems like there are some osteoarthritis related changes as well?I hope you find physical therapy helpful for Kaidan, I agree it's an excellent idea! Pi is starting the more intensive phase of his pre-operation meds today. We switch eye drops and they're administered four times a day instead of two, and in addition he gets an off-brand Rimadyl twice a day. I'm happy he's good with me giving him the meds, because there's going to be quite a bit of it coming.
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Riiseli posted:My friend was just over so we could get some puppy pics.
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