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What do you think about the controversy that surrounds modern sled racing? I hear that it's pretty common for dogs to die at the biggest racing events, and that a handful do every year. I also have heard some pretty terrible stories about the neglect that a lot of sled dogs suffer when not working -- tied on chains (with teeth worn down to nubs from chewing metal), emaciated, the whole nine yards. Sledding has historically been hard work, and results in hard lives for the dogs, but it's difficult to reconcile these dogs continuing to live so roughly in this day and age.
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My favourite dog at the dog park is a gorgeous, huge husky. His name is Mr. Huggo  He used to terrorize Cohen when she was younger. She was intimidated by his size and his rough play, but over the months she got used to it, and now she plays more like a husky than an Aussie. When they see each other they bump chests for hours. With my pup being half the size she bounces off at amusing angles. He's very tall and lanky for a typical Siberian. I'm not sure of his breeding. He has the world's sweetest temperament. He's surprisingly well trained for a primitive breed -- he's let off leash at the park (despite it not being fenced) and when he is on leash he walks with it nice and loose. I have a couple of pictures of him from back in April, but I thought I'd share. I'm not sure how tall he is at the shoulder, but my guess is about 25" and he's probably about 75lbs.    There's another dog at the park from the same breeder, and she's also really tall and lanky. I guess that's the direction the breeder opted to go with their dogs. I think they look great, but I'm not sure what their conformation would do to their working ability. Anyways, that's Mr. Huggo.
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That reminds me of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVNDLlokNfI It's a Malamute working sheep! (I originally posted this in the herding dog thread.) I love how she grumbles and refuses a command or two since she's convinced she knows better.
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What are Akita energy levels like? I've said it a few times on the forum, but to rehash it, I'm trying to keep an eye out for possible breed options for my boyfriend and I in the future. He can't cope with high energy herders, and I don't like the small low-key dogs he's accustomed to. Both he and I really like the look of Akitas. I'm not sure how I'll cope with training, but it should be fine. I'd take special care to find a great breeder, of course. I foresee possible problems with guarding and dog aggression as well. Thoughts? (Sure I could just wait a week for your post, paisleyfox, but... impatient!)
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 This is Viggo, and he's an Icelandic Sheepdog. He's another one of the dogs Cohen plays with at the park. Icelandic Sheepdogs fascinate me since they're pretty much smack-dab in the middle of primitives and herders. They are a member of the Spitz family and have the typical independent "gently caress you I won't do what you tell me" personalities. They were brought to Iceland by the Vikings (!!!) and are the ancestor of the Shetland Sheepdog and Welsh Corgi. They have double dew-claws on their rear feet, and it's kinda funny lookin'. They were used as watch dogs and livestock guardians, and when necessary would be used to drive livestock when it strayed. Plague and canine distemper almost wiped out the breed in the late 1800s. In 1969 the Icelandic Dog Breeder Association was established to preserve the breed, and they gained AKC recognition very recently -- in June 2010. They're thick, stocky dogs with a coat that seems to range from the typical Spitz/Shiba coat to something more Collie-like. Viggo's is definitely of the latter. They're a medium sized breed, probably weighing between 30 and 50 lbs when mature. Viggo is quite a character. He's very vocal (barkbarkbarkbarkbark) when playing, loves chasing bicycles and anything with a siren. He and Cohen will both wrestle and chase, and have similar pushy attitudes. He's a total lovebug, and I want to bring him home with me.
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Although they have wolf content they aren't an ancient breed at all. They are pretty assholeish though.
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Sock Weasel posted:Tell me about it - I thought I would never find a decent breeder over here! I'd almost given up all hope as European breeders (rightly so) are so wary of selling to the UK. Seeing the breed being ruined so soon over here with all the crossbreeding/moneymakers really makes my blood boil. How would you describe Hrafn's temperament? What's your exercise schedule like? Do you have any plans to work/compete with him?
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perhapsimabandit posted:LOVE all the pictures - you folks have some lovely pooches! I do not have experience with horses, so I'm only going off what you mentioned in your post. I think that the idea behind horse training can be equated to dog training -- being the boss, being the provider of good things, setting the animal up to make the right decision. But the key difference is how we use our bodies with each animal. Studies have shown that dogs can read our gestures better than any other animal on Earth. (They've done studies in how animals read our bodies when we point. Dogs, over apes and other simians, are the only ones who can be directed to a reward by hand signals from a distance.) Dogs, more than any other species, have evolved alongside humans to function in our world. So, while I'm not entirely sure what I'm trying to say, I think the core principle is that the dog training process is very much a partnership. I'm not sure this is the same with horses, since I think that full control is necessitated by their size. With dogs it feels like it would be more of a conversation, rather than a command. I think that dogs at their core have a greater capacity for learning. Anyways, the more I type and think on it, the more it seems likely that at their core the principles are the same. Where they differ is in the details. Sock Weasel your dog is absolutely gorgeous. Feel free to post more pictures if, y'know, you really want to.
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There's a big-rear end Husky at my dog park (female, named Marlo) who the owner has mentioned is part wolf. The dog is freakishly large (but no larger than the other freakishly large Huskies at the park) and has a huuuuge stubborn streak, but is at its core "just" a dog. I love how just about any gangly primitive looking dog is at least "one-eighth wolf!!!11". Anyways, the dog's a sweetheart, and it gets along great with my dog. I love her. Great post, WolfBag. You did a great job. ETA: Also, I think it's interesting that you mentioned that the more "wolfy" looking hybrids tended to have the more wild temperaments. It makes me wonder if this mirrors the same things that happened in Russia during the silver fox study -- the foxes bred for softer, friendlier temperaments adopted more dog like features and coloration, where the more wild ones maintained their wilder appearance. The study suggests that the gene tied to the prolonged puppyhood most dogs experience is also tied to coat colour, ear carriage and tail shape. a life less fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Sep 15, 2010 |
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Eggsucker posted:The Vlacks have amazing snarling faces when they growl. This owner trained his dog to look mean on command, but it's completely non-aggressive. If I saw this pup snarling at me, I would be pretty worried. I'm not sure how I feel about that video. It seems obvious that it's a behaviour that's been put to a cue and isn't aggressive but Facial Feedback Theory suggests that by going through the motions the animal is likely causing itself agitation if not something more serious. Regardless, I'm trying to capture a lip lift on my dog, 'cause I think it's funny.
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Great Akita article, Pfox! Now I really want one. Is it bad that I prefer the heavier appearance of the American Akitas?
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Jubbie posted:His mother is a Swedish elkhound and we think his father was a Finnish lapphund What a gorgeous dog. Where are you located? I wish there were more Northern European breeds where I live.
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I was at the dog park today and two women arrived with odd Husky mixes. One was probably about 50 pounds and had the oddest coat. From a distance it looked like a Husky/Samoyed mix since its coat was so long and fluffy, but as it got closer you could see the coat was super wirey, and nothing like the typical fluff of a Sibe -- almost like the wirey coat of a wolfhound mixed with a primitive's double coat. The other one was much larger, had a similarly long coat, but without the roughness. It had ice blue eyes. I just had to laugh since, when I asked the women what kind of dogs they were (expecting a mix) she said the smaller one was a Siberian, and the larger was a Malamute. I know enough about primitives to know that Mals cannot have blue eyes, and that, well, the other was definitely no Siberian. I watched the way these women waved around treat bags trying to get them to come, and I just had to laugh. I'm sure they were lovely dogs, but these women struck me as the definition of clueless primitive owners. Good looking dogs though!
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Sock Weasel posted:Early studies are showing that there may be some problems. Best thing ever. Saved to my hard drive. Dying of cute.
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This is a good way to teach general impulse control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipT5k1gaXhc The point of that one is that you don't have to teach your dog a command -- they choose to behave without one. I don't have a specific wait command myself. I have a "stay" (which admittedly I should work harder on making bomb proof) and a "leave it". I taught the leave it similarly to the method in that video, adding the cue when Cohen broke her attention from the object and focused on me. Leave it is also my default "watch me" cue, but I might change that in the future.
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Quite honestly, I can't really think of a breed that I consider good for a first time pet owner. Each has its little peculiarities and idiosyncrasies, and they all present their own set of problems if you're unprepared. Heck, my family's first dog was an Aussie. What WOULD be a good first time dog?
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I've always used luring for the dogs I've worked with, but I'd be interested in shaping/capturing the behaviour one of these days. A problem a lot of people have is that their dogs just don't "get" certain tactics: their butts will pop up off the ground, or they don't follow the lure at all, or they shuffle or whatever. These are all symptoms of you moving too fast for the dog. I use a clicker, so it makes communicating exactly what I want a bit easier. But I also break down the behaviour into many different steps. For instance, if you have your dog in a sit and you want him to follow the treat downwards and diagonally to a down, you can either make the whole gesture and see if it results in your dog laying down (your dog might not follow the lure properly, or will pop out of a sit, etc...), or you can click/treat closer and closer approximations of the behaviour you want. For example, first, I teach a dog how to follow a lure with its nose. Each time the dog puts its nose close to the treat I click/treat (C/T). Then I up my requirements and I C/T for each time the dog's nose follows the treat. Then I C/T for following the treat a greater distance. You're teaching a dog how you want it to act when you have a piece of food in its face. Then I move on to the down work. If the dog's sitting I C/T for each time the dog ducks its head down a bit (following my hand) with its butt still firmly planted. Once the dog understands that step I move my hand further down, maybe watching for movement of the muscles in the front legs, which I will C/T. Continue slowly upping your criteria for closer and closer approximations of a down. Before you know it, your dog will be a pro at following a lure into a down. It sounds complicated, but it's really not. I've been able to use this tactic on dogs who's owners were convinced that they would never learn to lay down on cue. You can probably achieve this in your first or second session of clicker training too -- use it as an intro for both you and your dog.
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Vino posted:
Do not get an electric collar. They are a precision training tool, and should not be used in place of proper training techniques. I'm not as stalwartly against them as some folks around here, but quite honestly you don't seem well versed in their use. (No offense intended.) To use an e-collar you would really need face to face instruction by an accomplished professional to use it responsibly. I highly suggest you read the intro to the Dog Training Megathread. I know it's long, but it goes over a lot of the basic ideas and tools of training. The "Cesar's collar" is called the Illusion (named after his ex-wife). It's similar to a slip collar, and is not a great training tool either. It's placed high on the neck in a muscle-poor and nerve rich area to cause discomfort when a correction is used. Choke/slip collars are not safe to use and can cause serious damage if your dog puts sudden or steady pressure on it. There's a link Dog Training Megathread (direct link here) about how to teach loose leash walking. Maybe look into a no-pull harness and use it in conjunction with the process I posted. It sounds complicated, but it's really the best possible way to teach loose leash walking, and it's humane.
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Wally P posted:Any suggestions on whether I should get a halti or a gentle leader (or other) brand? Try either Canny Collar or Sporn Collar. They're both head halters that attach to the leash behind the dog's head. I think they're preferable to the collars (like Halti and Gentle Leader) that attach under a dog's chin since there's less risk of injury if sudden pressure is accidentally applied to the leash.
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Invalid Octopus posted:Your dog and my dog should get together and make a Japanese horror movie. 
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Vino posted:I tried dead stops for a while and it worked for about five seconds after I started moving, and then he'd be off running again in one direction or another. They're also tough for me because usually my walk with the dog is actually a run. I still use them though if the pulling gets really bad, if only to give him a chance to calm down. My guess is that you've not had success with using positive reinforcement to encourage loose leash walking is because either a) you're not using exciting enough rewards, b) you're not reinforcing often enough or quickly enough, c) you're moving too quickly and haven't laid the ground work in moderately distracting environments (went from no distractions to lots) or d) you're not exciting enough to your dog. Don't be afraid to use boiled chicken, pizza, peanut butter, etc as rewards -- they tend to be very high value for dogs. Life rewards can also be very motivating to a dog: walk nicely with me and I'll let you sniff that tree, sit and focus on me and you'll get to greet that dog. And don't be afraid to use stupid voices and erratic movements to keep your dog's focus on you. You'll look a bit odd to your neighbours, but it should help. Check out this article by Susan Clothier about proper prong collar use: http://flyingdogpress.com/content/view/53/97/. She no longer uses prongs in her own training, but has reposted that article to give people some insight into how to properly use one. Corrections should not be given with the prong -- snapping the leash quickly to cause pain is not acceptable, etc. I like the idea to use a leash attached to a flat collar while the prong is still on the dog -- it sounds like a good way to wean a dog off. Another idea is to put on the prong, but flip it around so the prongs are pointing outwards. I don't have a particular problem with prongs as long as they're being used correctly (that said, I never recommend their use). They're not a crutch -- they're a training tool. I feel like they should be paired with positive reinforcement to show the dog that it's immensely reinforcing to walk beside you. I see too many people just slap one on their dog and call it a day, but the dog is merely being managed, not trained. Finally, I personally have never had success with teaching loose leash walking with corrections. The dogs I've had just never really got it. I've had huge success using positive reinforcement, however. I honestly believe that it's just a more effective way to both teach and learn. a life less fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jan 30, 2011 |
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Citizen Rat posted:Anyone have some good ideas for teaching a dog to give you some warning before they stop in their tracks to sniff something? When walking this is no big deal, when we are running (on ice) this is a bigger problem. With dogs it's kind of an all or nothing sort of thing. When my dog is on leash she's not permitted to stop and sniff. She can pee if she wants, but often I'll get her to pee on cue at convenient spots. I'm a real slave driver. Off-leash is a different matter -- at that point the walk becomes hers and she's granted much more freedom. So... that doesn't really answer your question. I would just only permit sniffing in certain spots, or on cue.
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Anuv- posted:This guy I know has come to my work a few times now. He has MS and was a geneticist for some time. The dog he has is probably the most incredible dog I've ever seen. It has yellow eyes, a dark black coat, and is probably in the lower rung of a hundred pounds. It seems to be (yes 99% wolf) an awful lot like a wolf. You've got to stop and ask yourself why exactly you would want a pup out of this dog. Judging by what you just wrote there, the bulk of your reasons are aesthetic. Wolf dogs are absolutely gorgeous creatures, but they come with their own slew of problems and quirks. I would say that unless you had extensive experience with nordic/primitive breeds and had planned for quite some time to get a hybrid then it's really not a good idea. Also, just saying that he'd be looking for any ol' female Mal isn't particularly endearing. Mals are tough dogs, and I know of some with real issues with other dogs. I would want to temperament test the hell out of a potential match for his hybrid.
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That's really fascinating, rivals. That's such a tough call to make. It sounds like you guys are ready to leap into action once it's necessary, which is amazing. Wishing you and Buddy (and everyone else) the best.
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Rixatrix posted:Pi is going in to get his left eye fixed on Tuesday. The vet said she doesn't want to operate both eyes, because Pi's right eye has so much vision left that if something goes wrong with the surgery, he might end up with worse vision in that eye than he would've had without the operation. The recovery period worries me a bit. Pi'll have to wear the cone of shame without ANY breaks for 1-2 weeks and he needs to go without major exercise, chewing, barking (yeah right), playing etc. for a full month. This for a dog that's used to being active. It might be painful. Do you get complimentary coma pills after the surgery? Maybe a large bat with which to knock him unconscious when he gets uppity? No chewing, eh? How on earth are you going to entertain him? Licking? Frozen yogurt/banana kongs?
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There's a Shar Pei in one of our basic obedience classes, and I kind of feel bad for the poor thing. I'm not sure where he's from (pet store, show breeder...) but he's kind of a mess. He has some extreme wrinkles, and some pretty bad skin issues to go along with it. You can barely see his eyes they're so covered by wrinkles. His hair is really sparse on his face, and he's always scratching at it. Last class he scratched enough to knock a few scabs off and was bleeding a bit.  I assume it's a food allergy of some sort, but I've not broached the subject with his owners. When he takes a treat it feels like you're feeding a manatee -- no teeth to speak of, just globs of fatty jowls and drool -- it's kind of cute, but also sad. The rest of the instructors think he's great, but I keep seeing how impeded he is by his excessive characteristics and feel bad for the guy. So long story short, I'd like to see a bit more moderation used in Shar Pei breeding. This guy is a mess.
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Fraction posted:Yesterday at the park (filled with off-lead dogs, usually), I saw a couple walking their gorgeous huskies ( On the subject of head halters... I saw a young hound with a head halter on, attached to a loving extendable leash. The owners would arbitrarily stop it spooling out, and the dog would repeatedly whip itself around by its neck. The owners let the dog play with another dog, but again kept locking the leash arbitrarily during the play. I felt absolutely terrible seeing that. I don't think people realize how dangerous inappropriately used head halters can be. Sorry, back to your regularly scheduled primitive breed talk.
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badmomrising posted:She's a beauty, especially her smooth, silky saddle coat. Are you sure she's part Chow? Because I don't see ANY Chow in her at all--no odd conformation quirks, no mane, no round face. To me, she looks exactly like many Shep/Golden mixes I've met. The Shepherd colours always come through, but there's no missing that Golden coat. JMHO. For some reason I see some spaniel in there. Could be retriever though. I think your guess is better than mine.
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Fraction posted:I thought mal from her fur/build, yeah Nope. Just a BYB husky. Brown eyes are normally dominant. I don't think you'd see blue eyes in any Mal mix. She is quite the looker though.
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I couldn't remember whether it was huskies or mals that had the blue eyes. She could possibly be husky-mal I guess, she just looks *so* much different from the sleek, shorter-coated huskies I've seen in the past. She was totally gorgeous though, the photos don't do her justice, and while we were in the car she kept reaching over from the back seat to lick my cheek and neck
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Buddy is looking great! Seeing Buddy reminded me... I came across an absolutely gorgeous Husky at the park a few days ago. Same colouration as Buddy, which is what triggered the memory. Cohen looooves Huskies, so she immediately ran up to play, and the two spent a few minutes playing chase and wrestling (with Cohen doing somersaults to encourage play ). It was tremendously cute. Then I looked a little closer at the Husky while it was chasing -- 1, 2, 3 legs. It moved so naturally that I hadn't noticed it was missing a rear left leg. I'm always amazed at how well dogs can adapt to a handicap like that. I freakin' love Huskies.
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Baika posted:Does anyone here have experience with Finnish Lapphunds? From what I've read online they tend to be easy going and highly trainable, and used in a huge variety of sports and as service/therapy dogs. I have not met a Finnish Lapphund in my life and there are maybe less than 10 breeders in the U.S/Canada. I think the board has two Lapphund owners: Sharks Below and Riiseli (who I believe breeds them). Or does Riiseli have Lapponians? They seem like really cool dogs, but unfortunately I don't have any first hand experience with them. Riiseli competes in obedience with hers -- they give me the impression that they're particularly biddable for spitzes.
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So I'm hopefully going to be attending an agility seminar by this woman:  Yes, that's a Shiba. An Agili-Shiba. I imagine she's quite good, based on those photos alone.
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Goetta posted:Yeah, thanks I do see a bit of sheepdog in her as well I think. It is a bit strange since she is every bit Siberian in mannerism (she does the husky sleep ball and will talk/howl occasionally) and general appearance. But her frame is really large so I guess she will probably be a massive dog someday. I didn't think Siberans got that big but I am no expert by any means Looks like a Husky/Border Collie mix to me. She's just gorgeous.
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I'm not a Shiba expert, but any that I've met have been very hands-off and not interested in rough housing or other physical forms of interaction. I think the breed in general is not well suited for interacting with kids. Individual dogs may vary.
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I think you might be shoe horning yourself into a corner if you set out to focus entirely on primitive breeds right from the start. Once you make a name for yourself you might have people searching you out for their Huskies, etc, but until then you're going to have loads of people asking you about their Shih-poos and Heinz 57 Mutts. One trainer I know of specializes in what she refers to as "when pigs fly" types of dogs, ie, dogs who are disinclined to work with you unless there's something in it for them. She uses LOADS of shaping and environmentally based negative reinforcement. It's neat to see. I know a guy in the city who has a training facility called When Hounds Fly, and Beagles are his breed of choice. Apparently "When ___ Fly" is a common facility name. It's catchy. And probably overused. I'm not loving the ___ Spirit names. It just comes off as too wannabe mystic, and I would roll my eyes at a place called that if I passed by. I tend to like the more punny names. How about something like, "Partners in Crime"? Or... "My Life With Dogs"? "Me, My Dog and I"?
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Ashamee posted:You're welcome. I just felt badly for the dog. It's not his fault. I also talked to the friend, and the dog is definitely ours now. He said he'll never be a pet owner again. He doesn't trust himself to care for a living thing. Guess he learned that lesson the hard way. ... by purchasing a "wolf". He's a sharp one indeed, and by no means completely irresponsible.
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This isn't on topic but apparently this is an Alaskan Noble Companion Dog. There is no wolf present in its breeding. Obviously I'm not a fan of designer mutts in general but jeez what a looker.   
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Resource guarding is a pain in the rear end when it's over such a variety of things. I would go speak to a behaviourist and have them analyze your dogs in person. If you were in my area (S. Ontario) I know exactly who I'd send you to... I'm sure you'll be able to find someone suitable where you are too though. Look for someone who has a scientific approach to animal behaviour and doesn't utilize +punishment when addressing problems. In the interim, go out and buy/read Mine! by Jean Donaldson. It's mostly focused on dogs who resource guard items from people, however it still serves as a good crash course into how you're going to be approaching it with your dogs. The key to keeping a peaceful multi-dog household with a resource guarder is management. You need to keep guarded items away from the guarder, or you want to keep the dogs separate. You can bring them together when you're actively training, and training can indeed lessen the guarding, but you may never completely annihilate the behaviour in the same way you can with dogs guarding vs people. I'd also work on some basic obedience and some placement exercises. My behaviourist suggested we get dogs used to being moved from place to place on cue. As in, "Sparky, get up on this chair. Stay." "Roger, lay down on this mat. Stay." "Sparky, up on THIS chair." "Roger, into the kitchen."... It'll get the dogs used to deferring to you, and, of course, treats should be applied liberally during these exercises so the dogs enjoy the deferral and self control. Good luck!
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I'm not 100% sure on how breeders deal with show dog puppies, but I think you can't teach the dog to sit since it's an automatic disqualfier in the ring. Just something to keep in mind!
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