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mobby_6kl posted:Seems like this is from Jan 1st but but I haven't seen the chart here (or anywhere else) before: I have many reservations about this chart. I don't understand why the LP E-cores which specifically do not turn on most of the die would possibly have a higher base platform wattage, it makes zero sense. I'd also be curious to see the M1 Max P and E cores represented, and the M2 and M3 would be even better than that.
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Yeah the chart is very sus. But I haven't seen anything else this detailed elsewhere so far. The chips and cheese I posted earlier doesn't get into efficiency at all. Lunar Lake-MX is going to have on-package memory it seems: https://www.techpowerup.com/318362/intel-lunar-lake-mx-to-embed-samsung-lpddr5x-memory-on-soc-package Which is probably perfectly fine if they do end up with the 16 and 32gb options for the ultra-thin premium market.
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With a boost TDP of up to 410 watts! 410 WATTS I don’t even wanna get on a soapbox about it, put that thing on a circuit with an RTX 4090, the rest of the PC, and any goddamned thing else and it’ll trip the breaker. This is the industry as self-parody.
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Hasturtium posted:With a boost TDP of up to 410 watts! 410 WATTS "fifteen amps ought to be enough for anybody" - pat gelsinger
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Kazinsal posted:"fifteen amps ought to be enough for anybody" - pat gelsinger
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Hasturtium posted:With a boost TDP of up to 410 watts! 410 WATTS It'll have a PL2 ("boost TDP") of 253w like every other i9, and you're allowed to turn that off and make a big number screenshotting a transient in HWINFO because you told it to boost as hard as it physically can. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find a headline like this for every past Intel CPU launch and it's exactly as meaningful now as in the past.
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Is Arrow Lake going to be more efficient? Thinking about a new Intel build, but I don't want to run something like a metal smelter in my room.
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Bubbacub posted:Is Arrow Lake going to be more efficient? Thinking about a new Intel build, but I don't want to run something like a metal smelter in my room. BurritoJustice is empirically correct, you can always thump sense into the BIOS and keep the machine from opportunistically juicing itself to magma chamber simulation mode. But Christ on a crutch, I get tired of these stunt gently caress product releases.
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Because flagship mainboards shipping with unlimited power defaults, and people running their Intel CPUs unlimited because they have to compensate for other shortcomings never happened, oh no. I'm also looking forward to the userbenchmark entry for this CPU.
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Kazinsal posted:"fifteen amps ought to be enough for anybody" - pat gelsinger new thread title
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Bubbacub posted:Is Arrow Lake going to be more efficient? Thinking about a new Intel build, but I don't want to run something like a metal smelter in my room. The rumour is that the new PL2 for ARL is 177w, and we know it's a very large node jump from RPL. It remains to be seen if the IPC gain is going to be enough to balance out the massive loss of clocks that is inevitably going to come from leaving the extremely mature Intel 7, but it'll definitely be more efficient.
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Kazinsal posted:"fifteen amps ought to be enough for anybody" - pat gelsinger repiv posted:new thread title
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To be fair the NEC should have switched to requiring 20A circuits on residential outlets a long time ago, especially with how US tract home builders construct.
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Out of curiosity what’s the idle power usage like on the big chips? I know the smaller ones can shunt down to single digit wattage, but there’s a gap in my knowledge about newer big P/E core designs.
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Hasturtium posted:Out of curiosity what’s the idle power usage like on the big chips? I know the smaller ones can shunt down to single digit wattage, but there’s a gap in my knowledge about newer big P/E core designs. Do you mean server chips, or P cores, or what? Here's a good look at current Intel power scaling: https://chipsandcheese.com/2022/01/28/alder-lakes-power-efficiency-a-complicated-picture/. The P cores can also scale down to under 5W for a cluster of 4 cores, but they are slower than E cores at that same power. P cores scan scale up to ridiculous power consumption and keep eking out some gains, which is why Intel is shoving crazy power into them. If by "big chips" you mean server chips, basically every server chip is running at dramatically lower watts per core than desktop is. Desktop is juiced out the rear end, you can get 64 P core server chips at a similar wattage to 8+16 desktop chips. Intel is about to ship 288 core server chips within a few months, and there's still a wall where it's incredibly difficult to cool chips that are >350W so I bet it'd be under 350W for those 288 cores.
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Twerk from Home posted:Do you mean server chips, or P cores, or what? Here's a good look at current Intel power scaling: https://chipsandcheese.com/2022/01/28/alder-lakes-power-efficiency-a-complicated-picture/. Thank you for this! Originally by “big” I meant consumer 1x700+ chips, but the server chip info is super helpful. I guess I just get frustrated by the power gap between the lower-clocked many core chips and the gamer market stuff, but that’s my thing to deal with. Thanks again!
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Hasturtium posted:Thank you for this! Originally by “big” I meant consumer 1x700+ chips, but the server chip info is super helpful. I guess I just get frustrated by the power gap between the lower-clocked many core chips and the gamer market stuff, but that’s my thing to deal with. Thanks again! You don't have to run the gamer market stuff at uncapped wattage, and for gaming loads in particular you will lose very, very little performance by limiting them to 125W, which is hot but not crazy. By Intel's MSRP prices you should even be able to save a buck by buying a 14700 instead of a 14700K, but in the real world the K chips always end up cheaper despite having a higher MSRP for mysterious reasons. If you want to see more power scaling info for whole chips with benchmarks, Anandtech looked at that too: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17641/lighter-touch-cpu-power-scaling-13900k-7950x/4. It's actually pretty remarkable how much benefit the desktop Intel chips get from more power, because most chips around this size stop seeing higher clocks when you juice them past 150W, but these guys are actually able to use it.
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Canned Sunshine posted:To be fair the NEC should have switched to requiring 20A circuits on residential outlets a long time ago, especially with how US tract home builders construct. 240v circuits to home offices seems inevitable at this rate HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 14, 2024 |
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HalloKitty posted:240v circuits to home offices seems inevitable at this rate Just lol if you don't have your desktop connected to your Dryer outlet.
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HalloKitty posted:240v circuits to home offices seems inevitable at this rate In more advanced countries this has been the norm for quite some time.
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I think it’s cool that intel releases these KS skus, which are basically just the old Extreme Editions all over again. Are they laughable? Yes? Are they efficient? lol no. Are they worth the price for anyone that cares about money? Hell no. But that’s explicitly not the point. In a post-overlocking world, they feel like an anachronism. (And yes I know it’s just the golden samples getting held back off the line)
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If I was mega rich I'd probably enjoy trying to get the lowest undervolt for a given clock speed and have multiple profiles (for no reason at all). Golden bins sound great for getting 5.8 all core at minus 200mv offset or whatever. Meanwhile here I am with nothing to my name, wondering why I never win the silicon lottery and why my 12600k can't seem to do all core* 5ghz on the stock vf curve. *The penis cores obv Shrimp or Shrimps fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Feb 15, 2024 |
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So that's what the P stands for
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HalloKitty posted:240v circuits to home offices seems inevitable at this rate when you say "home offices" are you talking about gamer dens? because i'm pretty sure the number of WFH positions that can't be serviced by a 15A 120V breaker is absolutely tiny
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and even then this is still only impacting the upper, what, 1%? 0.1%? of all PC gamers
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Yeah, my entire desk with 3 monitors, my work PC, dock, my gaming desktop along with misc chargers and such aren't drawing anywhere close to what my toaster oven in the kitchen draws by itself.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:when you say "home offices" are you talking about gamer dens? because i'm pretty sure the number of WFH positions that can't be serviced by a 15A 120V breaker is absolutely tiny Tell that to half my damned users who smuggle a space heater under their desk.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Tell that to half my damned users who smuggle a space heater under their desk. You don't need that space heater if you've got a modern i9 and top end GPU. Think of the savings!
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Tell that to half my damned users who smuggle a space heater under their desk. that doesn't sound like a home office problem
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Tell that to half my damned users who smuggle a space heater under their desk. My PC is the space heater.
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My PC is both a space heater and my fruit dehydrator
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:when you say "home offices" are you talking about gamer dens? because i'm pretty sure the number of WFH positions that can't be serviced by a 15A 120V breaker is absolutely tiny A lot of US tract home builders have multiple rooms (plus lighting) serviced by a single 15A breaker, so it's not quite that crazy to want 220/240v instead...
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:that doesn't sound like a home office problem You obviously don't have friends with a wife who is perpetually cold. My buddy's wife has four god damned space heaters under various desks and cubbies, specifically so her feet don't get cold when she's sitting there. I kinda want a 20A/240 twistlock outlet for my computery poo poo, not because it needs it, but because twistlock is pretty great.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:You obviously don't have friends with a wife who is perpetually cold. My buddy's wife has four god damned space heaters under various desks and cubbies, specifically so her feet don't get cold when she's sitting there. jesus christ how loving hot does that room get with four loving space heaters blasting  Canned Sunshine posted:A lot of US tract home builders have multiple rooms (plus lighting) serviced by a single 15A breaker, so it's not quite that crazy to want 220/240v instead... there's no way a tiny minority of people buying/building monster PCs are going to register in the minds of tract home builders looking to do the absolute minimum cheapest build i'm not here trying to say "120V is superior to 240V" i just think it's ridiculous to think ultra top-end pc builds are going to make additional 240V residential circuits in the US "inevitable"
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Also you aren't seriously going to exceed the 1440W sustained limit of a 15A circuit with a single PC on pretty much anything short of LN2 cooling during an extreme overclocking attempt. Yes, this is the "Intel: lol" thread, but the hottest GPU you can get combined with the hottest Intel CPU you can get will still struggle to even reach 1 kW when assembled as an otherwise ordinary air cooled high end gaming PC. Now the PC and the 12,000 BTU window air conditioner it takes to keep it from baking you combined might start to spell trouble for a single 15A circuit.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:jesus christ how loving hot does that room get with four loving space heaters blasting They're not all in the same room. She has one under her little sewing desk, one under her working desk, one under the coffee table in her little reading nook, and one in the bedroom. She's also like 5 foot nothing and 120 pounds soaking wet. Every few months she learns which outlets are on the same circuit by blowing the breaker trying to air fry lunch with the reading nook heater going.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Also you aren't seriously going to exceed the 1440W sustained limit of a 15A circuit with a single PC on pretty much anything short of LN2 cooling during an extreme overclocking attempt. Yes, this is the "Intel: lol" thread, but the hottest GPU you can get combined with the hottest Intel CPU you can get will still struggle to even reach 1 kW when assembled as an otherwise ordinary air cooled high end gaming PC. Yeah my crappy apartment has one circuit for the entire living room and the window AC unit is there. I just don't turn it on and game without pants on instead of turning the AC on (saves a lot on power too IMO)
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Shipon posted:Yeah my crappy apartment has one circuit for the entire living room and the window AC unit is there. I just don't turn it on and game without pants on instead of turning the AC on (saves a lot on power too IMO) I got a commercial fan and keep my AC set to 79 or so and that was a good compromise of comfort and energy use I thought
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:there's no way a tiny minority of people buying/building monster PCs are going to register in the minds of tract home builders looking to do the absolute minimum cheapest build And that post wasn't to imply otherwise; tract home builders are going to do the cheapest possible thing, which currently still means as many rooms as they can reasonably fit on a single 15A circuit, because that's what NEC allows. It was more along the lines of "As power draw continues to climb for desktop systems, it'll likely put stress on cheap construction at times with all the other loads that can be expected and it'll become more noticeable.". 240V residential circuits in the US will never occur as a common practice until NEC or another body mandates it. Indiana_Krom posted:Also you aren't seriously going to exceed the 1440W sustained limit of a 15A circuit with a single PC on pretty much anything short of LN2 cooling during an extreme overclocking attempt. Then why did Apple ship the 2019 Mac Pros with 1.4 kW power supplies?  But more seriously, again, this isn't about a single PC or even two PCs on a single 15A circuit; it's about 3-4 people all running their own various poo poo, on a single 15A circuit, because that's how the cheap rear end home builder constructed it. And that could very well throw a breaker, because I've seen it happen personally. Edit: Also, a 12,000 BTU unit is around the point where a dedicated 220/240V circuit and probably 30A breaker should be used anyway; I wouldn't trust living anywhere where a window unit that size is on a 15A circuit. Some manufacturers get away with it because they're using inverters but ehhhhhhhh... Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Feb 21, 2024 |
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