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wargames posted:What does everyone think of the 4690, and do I need a z97 board if i am not overclocking or getting a k version of the 4690? It's a good cpu and no you don't. PC Building, Upgrading, and Parts Picking: Everything is pretty fast now (except AMD)
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Knifegrab posted:I have a carbide air 540 so I believe i have more than enough room to leave the board in unless I am misunderstanding something here. Also as long as that temperature is fine, what is the danger zone? 80C? 90C? Would getting a better cooler at least still lower my max temps to the sub 70C ranges? The CPU will throttle itself at 99 or 100C down to like 800mhz until you stop trying to kill it. I forget the thermal limit but it might be 105C or something on the core? I wouldn't let it sit over 80C for long periods of time but 75 max is not a huge deal and that 80 is more of a personal preference thing (since the temperature monitoring isn't exactly what's on the core it could be warmer inside and I'd guess I have some bad cooling and it might get dusty and kick things up a few degrees or whatever). It's a little warm, sure, but not terrible. If you're concerned and want lower temps the Hyper 212 EVO is like 30 bucks and goes on sale down to 25 regularly, it's just bulky and can be annoying to install if the motherboard is in the case and there's no cutout behind the cpu socket. I have an i5-4670K overclocked and the max temps I get are 68C or so with regular loads. Benchmarking and stability tools like Intel Burn Test and Prine95 can get it hotter but they're intended to do that (also don't run them if you're using adaptive voltage).
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Ernie. posted:Hello, I'm soon due for building a new heater and I have fallen out of the information loop on what's out there. Your 2500K is almost as fast as haswell and can keep up just fine if you overclock. If you need a bit of oomph you could get a new video card. Check the PC Building & Parts Picking megathread for more info about specifics.
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Mind posting a link to that in here? I couldn't find it on microcenters website, unless it already ended It's been a multi-month long deal, it doesn't seem like they're going to end it soon: http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/G3258Bundle.aspx
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Chuu posted:While we're tangentially on the subject of Microcenter, I have no idea how they get their bundle prices so low. Are they basically selling at cost or a small loss just to get you in the store? Yeah, they sell around cost as a loss leader to get you in the store assuming you might buy the rest of your system while you're there. AFAIK they're not super pushy about it but some goon from the parts thread left with an antistatic wrist strap and some thermal paste he probably didn't need.
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slidebite posted:What's the best program for measuring system temps? HWinfo seems to be the best because it's got access to most of the sensors and doesn't seem to be wrong much. It's a little bloated but in the sensor section you can right click and add stuff to the system tray if you want to keep an eye on it. I like to watch my cpu cores max temp, cpu voltage, and video card gpu temp so I pin them to the system tray. http://www.hwinfo.com/
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The Alpha's also gone on sale for ~$359-399 at times for the i3 version. Check Techbargains periodically, they're usually pretty good with listing when it goes on sale. It's actually on sale right now for $305 after $45 rebate: https://slickdeals.net/f/8359803-alienware-alpha-desktop-i3-4170t-geforce-gtx-4gb-ddr3-305-after-45-slickdeals-rebate-free-shipping?v=1
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KingEup posted:Someone gave me this motherboard: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z87E-itx/ but it doesn't list the CPU I was going to buy for it in the CPU support list. Is that likely because it flat out wouldn't support it or because they just haven't bothered testing it? This is the CPU I want to buy for it: i5-5675C I think the Broadwell CPUs can only use the Z97 chipset. It's possible some manufacturer has backported support to Z87 but it's a couple of years old so it's not super likely. You should look at an i5-4690K or i7-4790K.
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Atomizer posted:If you still use a ball mouse then there are no words to express the pity we have for you. I've got serial and PS/2 but I don't use them any more. edit: Oh wait, I mean, they're perfectly fine, I use them constantly. I've used an optical mouse and I can see the benefits but not enough for me to spend $5 on an optical mouse. My grandchildren will use these ball mice. Cleaning the grime off the rollers is a time honored tradition to be passed down. You kids get off my lawn.
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SuperDucky posted:Agreed, the stock sinks are loud as all gently caress. Our new OEM supplier on our fully in-house form factor is dynatron, they have a socket2011 low-profile blower that works really well, I need to see if our rep can ship me some 1366 "samples" mwuhahaha. I recently put a couple of Hyper 212 EVO coolers on a dual socket 1366 board. The support on the back of the motherboard was permanently affixed (at least the LGA retention bracket was also secured to it so it'd have been really hard to remove and replace both) so I used some M3 10mm standoffs instead of the hyper 212's stock standoffs to get them mounted. The 212 is big but I moved the motherboard from a 1U rackmount case to an ATX case so it worked for my situation. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm not really sure what Intel's thinking here: http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-core-i3-7350k-cpu/ Some  fans can't afford four cores:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c Can you break a $1000?
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SlayVus posted:So Intel has started their holiday 2016 deal. $200 i7-6850k or $134 i7-6700k. I don't really need either of them, but a $600 CPU for $200 is a drat good deal. Too bad though 2011-3 is basically dead now. I already have a 4790k and there isn't anything I do that would actually benefit from having a 6850k or 6700k. Though, eventually at some point, I kind of would like to try my hand at an unRaid server. Is this the retail edge thing where you have to work somewhere that sells their products?
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JnnyThndrs posted:gently caress, I dunno, I've used Gigabyte midrange boards almost exclusively since the C2Quad 6600 days because I Hackintosh everything(just for the hell if it) and GB boards have always been the gold standard of simplicity for Hackintoshes. Never really had much of an issue with them, either with reliability or overclocking, although I only casually overclock. Gigabyte has done some bait and switch with motherboard revisions: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/gigabyte-pushing-it-a-motherboard-revision-too-far.html
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NewFatMike posted:Oh I see. Yeah, that's incredibly weak. I'll have to make sure I have everything in RAID 0 when I drop another disk in mine. Please don't RAID 0 your backup disks.
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craig588 posted:You can't adapt a Model M to USB so there'll be demand for PS/2 ports for years. Though having both a keyboard and a mouse one seems like a waste. You can just use the blue cube style adapters: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B008J56RVY/ They're not as cheap as the passive ones but they work great, I have a couple of them in use. The only downside is they're big and tend to block the second USB port on a header, but new motherboards have a lot of USB ports. e:fb
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craig588 posted:Intel had a demo where they removed the heatsink and it didn't kill the CPU. Of course overclocking probably disables some amount of that protection. Overclocking shouldn't disable thermal throttling (at least normal OCing, I don't know about LN2 runs or anything like that). The CPU drops to a low multiplier like 8x (may vary by model) where it can just kind of run without bursting into flames. I diagnosed a goon's AIO cooler with a dead pump over mumble once due to bad game performance. Upon looking at HWInfo he found his CPU that had been OC'd at a local shop hit the max at 99C and then throttled to 800mhz.
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Raspberry Pis aren't vulnerable. Checkmate, Intailures.
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canyoneer posted:OK but what about the regular SNES Classics? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmTn5bVaOH4
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Pastry Mistakes posted:So I'm looking to get a new cpu and would like to not get gouged on it. I like high end gaming and photo editing. I also don't overclock. PC Building/Upgrading/Parts-picking Megathread Reloaded OP is a little out of date but get a Z370 board with an i5-8400 or i7-8700K, DDR4 ram, etc. You will be surprised by RAM and GPU prices.
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Dadbod Apocalypse posted:dang, so jealous of my new 8@4.5 rig and it ain’t even out yet But the FX-9590 has been out for a long time.  https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113347
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Paul MaudDib posted:Oh no, AMD actively encourages it. They've got AMD_Robert, AMD_James, and all kinds of other AMD leads posting there. Notably, AMD_Robert has posted bullshit like "thermal watts are not electrical watts" that just super grinds my gears. No, AMD has not managed to break the laws of thermodynamics, and a CPU is effectively a perfect resistor, so power in = heat out. Have you considered this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOqb_UzJSUQ
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BobHoward posted:Why would you want that, the 8088 was a cost reduced slower version of the 8086
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Winks posted:They're only selling 50k of them, I imagine they're long done skimming. Collectible processors! I hope they put a hologram of authenticity on it.
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I don't know anything about using optane but the Intel page on how to use it suggests you can install their optane software in windows to get it working: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000024385/memory-and-storage.html They say to only install one or the other, not both. I'd guess for your use case you'd install the first one, but I'm just assuming it will automagically work. Plug 'n pray.
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I'll take the $100 discount to not have the crazy box. AMD Threadripper crew was mad when I said the same thing.
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an actual dog posted:I love this post because that's not how pricing works You got me, slugger. But I'm on to you, actual dogs can't type.
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craig588 posted:Huh? I've been using offset with a Haswell for like 3 years, at idle I have like 1 volt and loaded it's like 1.3V The old wisdom used to be that fixed voltages were better for stability testing, but unwise for long term use. What changed? Yeah adaptive voltage is good afaik. Keeping the voltage high all of the time wastes power and makes more heat.
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hambeet posted:I scored an old office SFF dell for free that has an i3-3220 in it. I'm currently setting up an openmediavault NAS at home using my old old core 2 duo e8400. One way to compare power is just to look them up on Intel ARK. It lists TDP which isn't exactly how much power they'll use but it's not a bad general figure to go on and it offers a way to compare them, at least: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/65693/intel-core-i3-3220-processor-3m-cache-3-30-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/33910/intel-core-2-duo-processor-e8400-6m-cache-3-00-ghz-1333-mhz-fsb.html It lists the i3 at 55 Watts TDP and the Core 2 Duo at 65 Watts TDP. It's close, but I'd probably lean towards the i3 if you can fit all the drives you want into the SFF case. You could also put the sff motherboard into a normal case although it might take some modification.
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Paul MaudDib posted:A decent number of 5775C seem to have hit the surplus market in China and are now on eBay at the $90-120 range. Arguably not a bad deal if you’re looking to upgrade a 4690K system or whatever, if you can catch it bouncing down to $90 again and flip your 4690K for like 50 bucks. That's really cool. I always wanted one of those because they had that extra L4 cache and I was curious if it'd help at all while gaming, but not enough to spend money on it at this point. My 4670K has been a trooper but I upgraded past it a little while ago.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Is this genuine advice? Because I want to upgrade my ram but perhaps incorrectly assumed prices would drop once DDR5 was released but yeah if they stop making it entirely then it obviously won't. Only kind of. Looking at what previous generations of DDR have had happen, it seems like the production dies down as everyone moves to the new stuff, but it doesn't stop completely. There's also a lot getting sold used in the secondary market as people get rid of their old systems over the next few years. For example, for something like DDR3, 1333 and 1600 are everywhere and dirt cheap. It's mostly the faster modules that become expensive because there's less of it and people will have theirs slowly crap out over time and want to replace like for like. Eventually it all becomes super cheap until it's basically an antique like DDR or DDR2 at which point it's kind of a specialized market of stuff that hasn't gotten recycled yet. At that point it'll only be used in retro systems or whatever.
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I kind of want 12th gen but I'm dreading picking a motherboard. Also there's deciding on RAM like DDR4 4000 or DDR5 (completely sold out)? Probably just get the former since you can actually buy it and it will be cheaper but it feels kind of wrong? I remember getting PC 133 RAM when the first DDR boards were available for the same CPU and sort of regretting it even though on paper the speed increase was small for the price difference. Still, it kind of feels like the same situation. edit: also the power use seems high and while I don't care too much, I don't ever want to use a liquid cooler. Hopefully a baby head sized air cooler will be fine?
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DrDork posted:If you look back through the last page or two of the thread, you'll see that chopping back to 150W or so has minimal impact on performance, so is probably where most people should be targeting. That sort of TDP is well handled by existing (admittedly large) air coolers. I have a phanteks PH-TC14PE on my old i5-4670K but rather than try to get an adapter I might just go for the nh-D15 or similar when there's LGA1700 mounting available. I'm still hemming and hawing about the whole upgrade to begin with. I may just go the cheap but effective route and replace my R7 1700 with an R7 5800X and postpone the whole build upgrade until DDR5 is more mainstream and there's been an AMD response to the efficiency core thing. While I'd like to go AMD I'm pretty brand agnostic since I've owned both and I've rarely had problems that weren't capacitor plague related. My use case is high single core performance since I play poorly optimized FPSes fervently, but I also want lots of cores since I run a bunch of stuff in the background. Seeing reviews talk about how good the single core performance on the 12th gen stuff is over almost everything else plus the efficiency cores being handy to keep background stuff happy makes it seem like it'd be perfect for me. I just hate the new platform pricing but since I've been building my own stuff for 25 years I know that there's no way to pick the best time to upgrade other than when your current system isn't doing what you want it to, which for me is right now. edit: they have an adapter for LGA 1700 for noctua stuff already, I just hadn't really looked yet. If you check the NH-D15 on amazon there's an addon for $8 to get it. Rexxed fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:I think if I were in your situation and had a motherboard that could accept a 5800X, I'd go that route and give it another year or two for DDR5 platforms to mature and the chip shortage to abate. Zen3's single thread performance is leagues beyond Zen1, and everyone expects AMD to cut their prices now that Intel are back in front. That's definitely the more sensible option and I'm just kind of waiting to see what AMD does at this point. If I could pick up a 5800X for a discounted price it would be more sensible than splashing out for overpriced new architecture stuff that will be antiquated when there's presumably much faster and cheaper DDR5 in a couple of years. It's nice when the chip makers fight and there's well priced options.
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DrDork posted:lol, they bumped the price back up $30 already? Maybe video cards will be affordable by then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA
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Too Many Birds posted:i did install the inner CPU fan wrong initially, fixed that the 2nd day after i built the PC The main reason for this is to create a positive pressure inside the case. This prevents air from entering the case at every tiny gap bringing dust inside the case through unfiltered entry points. Beyond that you just want to establish an air flow direction. For today's cases that's generally in from the front and/or bottom, and out through the back and/or top. There are other setups possible but those are the general ways to go that 90%+ of situations call for.
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Number_6 posted:If anyone is an expert at 12th gen Intel CPUs, please weigh in on the following situation--and correct me if I somehow misunderstand how core boost is supposed to work. I have a new prebuilt HP Omen system with the i5-12400F. It performs OK in multicore benchmarks, but is way behind where a 12400F CPU should be in single-core benchmarks. Using utilities like HWMonitor, CPU-Z, CoreTemp etc. none of the cores will boost above 3.99 ghz, even in single-threaded loads and benchmarks, or light to moderate office work or browsing. Benchmark performance (single core) is about 10% below par, which corresponds to all cores being limited to 3.99 ghz instead of the Intel spec of 4.4 ghz. Many name brand prebuilts are garbage, including HP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZGmWZyhac
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