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incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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beejay posted:

Haswell uses less power especially under idle which can cause some power supplies to freak out. It's best to find one that is Haswell-ready.

As to the rest of your post, I don't know if you are talking about Haswell or the next iteration (Broadwell), but there probably won't be socketed versions of Broadwell, and it may or may not use DDR4.

Basically the word on PSU: if it's not lovely and came from a reputable OEM, it will support it. My 7 year old corsair 750w supports haswell.

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incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Bob Morales posted:

Mac sales flattened out last year. iPad sales haven't really gone anywhere either.



To be fair, we'll see a major swing on iPads sales as it no longer weighs as much as a MBA.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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All it reads is "Please put our hardware in your phone, we ported android for you!!!" I don't think anyone is seriously thinking about putting any intel hardware out in phone factors.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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These are all motherboards, I wouldn't be surprised if someone like jetway was building these for them and skating on low tier parts.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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If you look at the x264 2 pass, the xeons murder the dekstop cpus.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Finally buying that low voltage DDR3 ram 4 years ago is paying off in spades. Suck it big ram.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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This hellish future left me with not one single 5+Ghz processor (on air, no turbo) and levitating gently caress bot.

The gall

incoherent fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Jun 3, 2015

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Dell will BTO anything for a large enough quantity. I'm 100% sure they're government refurbs as they tend to ask for unique variants.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Lowen SoDium posted:

Biostar showed their gaming Z170 motherboard. Not that anyone here would probably using Biostar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBJnX-d-1T8

2 PCI slots?

So i can use a IDE pci card for my mad clocks

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Anandtech: "Sandy bridge your time is up"

**Graphs show poor performance in gaming vs sandy bridge, the single deciding factor to upgrade for most people on the 2600K cpus"

I know that the biggest gains you'll get is with video card upgrade, but 25% increase in cpu performance but detectable losses on the graphic benchmarks don't add up to that claim the sandy bridge should be sunsetted.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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HalloKitty posted:

Well, of course not. But maybe even they're tired of writing the same conclusions over and over: Sandy Bridge is fine. Which, overclocked, in the case of games and general use, it still is. Which isn't a very exciting conclusion for people who probably get paid in ad revenue based around selling new poo poo.

I'll probably move to skylake for native usb 3.1 Gen 2, type-c usb, m.2, and maybe thunderbolt but don't sell anyone a load of horse poo poo that the cpu is going to push this decision.

This just means i'll wait for Krabby patty...err Kaby Lake

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Ars also got a hand-picked 5ghz sample

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/01/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-review/

Also the title of their article (paraphrased) "why bother?" Personally, I'm annoyed there isn't even native USB 3.1 type-c on the chipset. Ugh.

incoherent fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jan 3, 2017

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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DrDork posted:

Yeah, this struck me immediately looking at the new lineup. No one with half a brain cell doing parts-picking would go that route, especially since, as far as I can tell, the X299 motherboards don't really add anything interesting to the mix that the Z270's don't already have.

So the only conclusion I can draw is that those are aimed at pre-builts, so that a company can offer a "HEDT" box for cheap to people who don't really know any better or are constrained by specific purchasing requirements or what have you.

I don't even see any hard confirm of ECC support, it must be for that "we have a use it or lose it budget for asset refreshes" markets.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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dont be mean to me posted:

Why did you think inherently and incontrovertibly quantifiable phenomena would be exempt from 'lol nothing matters'?

In relevant news: Brazen intimidation over Microsoft's x86-on-ARM interpolation! Who else actually has anything vaguely resembling a commitment to x86 these days, Intel? Do you really want to tango with Microsoft over this?

At least now I can give those tinfoil conspiracy nuts that Apple will go "all ARM" one day. I'd be a total bloodbath with absolutely Zero compatibility layer. If intel can bite the hand that fed it the lion share of desktop sales, it can attack anyone.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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On one hand, sure intel needs to be taken down a peg for its size and near monopolistic tendencies. On the other you cannot blame them for custom silicon implementations (which, as a surfacebook owner, is a lot of badly done custom silicon).

I love that Panay was fact checked by Nadella by way of lenovo of all companies :lol:.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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isndl posted:

shitastic Marvell wireless adapter

For as expensive as these things get, the highest crime was being forced to use this loving chipset. My config was nearly 3k after everything and you guys couldn't even do me a solid?

Cygni posted:

Basically I wouldn't worry about Cannon Lake coming and making your 6-core Coffee Lake obsolete a few months after it launches.

We're not worry about chip obsoletion, it's having to buy a new mobo every other release. I hope this ends with Cannon Lake it wont

incoherent fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Aug 15, 2017

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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While the barbarians are certainly not at the gate, they've shook the gently caress outta intel real bad.

i3 unlocked 4 core? That's not generosity.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Cygni posted:

Looks like the launch date for the rest of the Coffee Lake stack is February 14.

https://videocardz.com/74856/intel-core-i3-8300-and-core-i5-8500-appear-online-with-eta-14-february

WCCF has some stuff on the mobile CPUs coming:

https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-mobile-desktop-8th-gen-cpus-leak/

Those sub-$100USD 2/4 3.7ghz+ Pentiums will probably be popular, considering like half of the top Amazon CPU sales are Celerys and Pentiums in that price range right now.

STILL couldn't get a 8 core out, at all?

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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cinci zoo sniper posted:

How much do you think some ancient used hardware cost?

That setup is easily a 2-3 video card lifecycle.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Paul MaudDib posted:

lmao that would be so insecure

I'd err on the side of they're probably 5~ of them in existence and intel only provided them for interviews with press. I can also gather these boards were probably built without any validation\testing with a CPU so this was the first time they POST'ed outside the factory.

But you know the rumor mill: if there is a chance that intel was salty about AMDs 32 core we'll year about it very, very soon.

incoherent fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Jun 6, 2018

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Running a thunderbolt cable through a wall for his networking was boss af. He's fun to watch and see him mess poo poo up and repent and be human about tech (which is very rare).

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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How about a chipset with onboard 2.5gb\5gb nic support.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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redeyes posted:

Update: Will DEFINITELY sue the gently caress out of you if you benchmark our hosed up processors and post it on the internet.

Which is dumb because the OS can and has update(d) the microcode. Ride it out till it comes through in a monthly update.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Wasn't one of the tricks in the bag still was gutting x86 or rather large sections devoted to compatibility?

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Stupid thicc dimm

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Cygni posted:

AT has a huge round up of all the Z390 boards. Sure enough, it's H370 (really Q370, but whose counting) with overclocking on.

It's good to see 2.5G, 5G, and even 10G networking integrated into some of the boards. Looks like everybody doing it is using Aquantia chipsets.

(e: im dumb, Asrock is using the new low cost Realtek controller.)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13407/intel-z390-motherboard-overview-every-motherboard-analyzed/

Also that Asrock ITX board with the TB3 port is pretty rad

Well at least a low end 2.5G port is a step in the right direction. I'd LIKE a native 2.5G port natively on the next gen mobos as i'm sure this thing is going to have a noticeable cpu consumption.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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I deeply appreciated anandtech's 3 pages of intel historical shade on reviewing ONE cpu thats in a sub-walmart chineese special and NUC for nobody. The GPU doesn't even work on it, they had to ship with discrete graphics :lol:.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Cygni posted:

Intel finished with a record year across the board, and projects 2019 to be another record. 4th quarter basically matched the record 3rd quarter ($18.7B vs $19.2B).

And they'll continue to be profitable if they can continue to provide Apple LTE and 5g modems so apple can dump Qualcomm.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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He's already played his card of being an rear end in a top hat. I don't think anything more than spouting company policy and directing him to his boss is needed...unless he's a c-level.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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spasticColon posted:

Jesus H. Christ. It's like Intel wants to lose more marketshare to AMD. :staredog:

Intel is fine. They can provide a whole stack to the enterprise or cloud provider, which AMD cannot.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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lmao apple must be eating poo poo right now, even with the Qualcomm agreement. I wonder if apple picks up all those 5g engineers.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Rip to any hope of a Kirby Lake-G refresh.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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mewse posted:

You know how in old cartoons in the stereotypical business meeting there'd be this chart with a red line going upwards? I always wondered what those charts were about, I think this is the first time I've conclusively seen one IRL

Quite generous with the "only use 10nm for two cycles" pledge.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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PC LOAD LETTER posted:

So I apologize in advance if my sarcasm detector is just broken cuz' with specs like that there is no way those NUC's are a premium PC. Nor is the build quality all that impressive.

They are very compact which is kinda slick but compact isn't the same as premium or impressive or "offers reasonable value for price".

They use entire intel stack, thunderbolt+phy+wifi. Whether they are premium parts or not is debatable, but similar sff usually get the cheapest i/o parts they can get and basic USB-C.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Cygni posted:

Intel also talked more about Foveros / Lakefield, its future CPU designed at the MacBook Air class of thin and lights and detachable 2 in 1s

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14773/hot-chips-31-live-blogs-intel-lakefield-and-foveros



4 Tremont Atom cores and 1 Sunny Cove core, plus graphics in the top 10mm die, and sound/USB/IO in the lower 22nm die. 4 or 8gb of LPDDR4X-4267 stacked on top. Power is two PMICs, one per die. Whole package is 12mm x 12mm, about the size of a dime. Pretty unreal.

I'm sure microsoft will be thrilled with redoing the thread scheduler again in windows for distinct cpu cores.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Too Many Birds posted:

geeze the 12900K wattage.

hungry little thing.

Serious about winning back Apple bussness.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Rinkles posted:

Do you think it's worth worrying about the future when buying a CPU today? The 12600k is obviously a very big step up

If I bough this cpu I'd be moving up from a 2600k which is a 10000k jump for me. With the 42600k i'm just thinkin about thos cores.

incoherent fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 12, 2021

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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karoshi posted:

e: btw tech jesus did benchmark the 12900k IGP. There's as good as no difference between them, wtf intel?

Intel no longer has apple to ride their rear end for bad quality onboard.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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why are mobo so stingy with the usb-c?

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incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Potato Salad posted:

Undervolting or underclocking your CPU is entirely managed by your motherboard. If you have your motherboard's model number on hand, we can help look up your manual and steer you towards the settings.

Out of curiosity, what precisely are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to preserve your processor by taking a little bit of thermal stress off of it? Do you have an overclock in place and you want to take the voltage down a little bit, or do you have running on the stock clock and you just want it cooler regardless?

I am reminded from my time in the trenches for a prominent video card and motherboard mfg I had the same weirdo demanded swap out of of an RMA because he was getting instability trying to undervolt the stock yorkfield era cpus because they wanted a cool room.

I doubt that's op's need but undervolters are out there.

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