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Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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fishmech posted:

Where do people even get 23.976 media?
All proper 24p content is actually 23.976fps.

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Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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madprocess posted:

They defintirly don't use 23.976fps in PAL-land.
Our European HDTVs do support 24p. And Blurays here are also 24p.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Just checked. My data disks are both on the Marvell controller. The most IO happens on there, so they're out of harm's way. But I can't identify what the system disks are hooked up to, the device manager makes it impossible to discern, since both 3 and 6 Gbps ports are on the same controller.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Factory Factory posted:

Or you could, y'know, look.
I never shut down my computer. Except when the power goes down... :colbert:

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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No, but it's tucked away neatly, and I don't want to move it around too much while the drives are spinning. I'm pretty paranoid about that.

But yeah, according to the location info, all drives are on 6 Gbps ports. I'll still need a new board at some point, for the next set of disks.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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movax posted:

VT-x support is more a function of the CPU than the chipset. The -K SKUs for example don't support VT-x, I believe. (they don't support one of the VT-* extensions, see link to my post in the OP). This is for extended page table support and the other.
VT-x is fully supported on the K variants, VT-d isn't. --e:f,b a page later.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Is there a reason not to keep a pre-rev3 board? I'll probably never use more than four disks. I've been going at it for a decade and always replacing the smallest in the bunch with larger ones. The only thing that could suffer is the Blu-ray drive, which is on one of the potentially broken ports.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Alereon posted:

It doesn't affect the drives (though it could corrupt data on them), it's the controller on the board that burns out. Do you REALLY want to trust a motherboard that you know is going to have at least a little bit of its chipset literally burn up?
Who does the exchange then? If it's the shops, I can assure you that they will RMA it and I'll have to wait for Asus to react. Exchange policies in Europe aren't that relax.

--edit: Putting my serial into their site tells me that I'm not affected by it.
--edit2: Wait, wrong number :(

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Apr 4, 2011

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Turns out my preferred shop isn't being a dick about replacing the board. Pretty cool!

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Figured that things wouldn't go over smoothly.

Apparently I've bent a pin when taking the board out. The clerk at my usual shop noticed and called their main support guy to decide. He was immediately being a human being, by not saying hello or anything and telling me "I'm not taking that back" in a caveman manner. When I asked him if that's really an issue, since the board's declared de facto broken anyway, he became a raging homo. So I figured, gently caress 'em, cut my losses and went to the other shop on the other side of the road and got a new one.

In retrospect, I should have kept my cool and asked for a box cutter, which is how I fixed it in two seconds, and now the "bent" pin is where it should be, flush with the rest, you wouldn't even know it was bent. But I guess I have to go through RMA directly with Asus (and then sell it on Ebay), since I called him a tremendous rear end in a top hat for being so goddamn irritating. :shobon:

Then again, if he's the main support guy, I wonder why he didn't even consider trying to put it back into place himself.

Also, I took the opportunity to put a bigger CPU cooler on it. The stock one that came with the i7-2600 kinda lost my confidence in it, after noticing the noise it made trying to cool down my video encoding few days ago.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Intel SATA 3Gb ports vs the Marvell 6Gb. Which ones are the better option? With 3Gb drives? I keep noticing that Marvell gets a small bad rap all the time. Why's that?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Factory Factory posted:

This old Anandtech review compared Intel SATA 2 ports vs. Marvell SATA 3 ports for the same drives. Basically, Marvell ports are slower despite supporting a faster standard on paper; they can't handle the same number of IOPS, which translates directly to all types of drive speed.
That's still somewhat of a difference. I guess I'll have to replug the drives tomorrow and pray that it doesn't mess a lot with the system. My boot and system drive is on one.

Factory Factory posted:

That's a little high, but not crazy, and well within spec. Burn-in testing usually causes higher temperatures than regular loads, anyway.
Yah. Doing things like playing Crysis 2 at maximum settings doesn't faze the CPU or its cooler much at all. Doing a video encoding in Premiere makes latter suddenly sound like a motocross engine.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Arctic Freezer 13.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but the top-end Intel CPUs (excluding Xxxxxxtreme Editions) have been priced reasonably for quite a while. Back when I got my C2Q, the Q9450 was just out, was the quasi be-all end-all IIRC and cost "only" 300 eurobucks. I paid the same for the i7-2600. Back during the P3 times, the upper models were way more expensive. I paid way more for that P3-933 I owned, and there were 1.1GHz variants out.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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freeforumuser posted:

It will most likely be X58 again but without any of the perks (better overclocking compared to S1156). Overpriced CPUs, overpriced mobos and overrated quad-channel memory. Anyone with a sense of cost-effectiveness would avoid this like the plague.
I kinda want this, but going to wait for Ivy Bridge LGA2011.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Trickyrive posted:

Fortunately for people buying into Sandy Bridge, they keep repeating that the current socket will be compatible with Ivy Bridge, making it a matter of just upgrading the motherboard firmware.
Hopefully, the Ivybridge E will release the same time, should the Sandybridge E prove to come with more than negligible performance improvements.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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More cores is always good, but there are also hopes for better single core performance thanks to quad channel and more cache.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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I never really got the point of triple channel. In a system were everything orients it self by the power of two or something divisible by two, three isn't exactly a common denominator.

I don't know exactly how memory interleaving works, but if it's done with very fine granularity, I'd figure in a triple channel system, one channel would always be doing twice the work of the other two, e.g. a 256bit transfer on an aggregate of 192bit (3x64bit). And by that, holding up performance more than practical.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Seeing how Intel CPUs are x86 on the outside only these days, while having an apparently stable microcode format, they should just call it quits. Add a separate lighter RISC instruction set, to which the operating system can switch to on a per thread/process basis, easing the migration, and at some point just remove the x86 decoder. Apparently it is that piece which eats a lot of power.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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movax posted:

Or are some people looking at X79 and jumping to hexa-core LGA2011 CPUs? :stare::fh:
The idea is intriguing and has been on my mind since before getting the LGA1155 version. But it's probably going to be an extreme edition, whose price mark-up I can't agree with.

Alereon posted:

This also confirms that we can expect no performance improvements from the quad-channel memory architecture on the LGA-2011 Sandy Bridge-E platform, just what the additional CPU cores and integrated PCI-E controller offer.
I fail to see the relation between this and the Anandtech test. They didn't do tests with the system forced to single channel mode. I'd figure that multiple memory heavy threads could profit from more channels. At least with an increasing amount of cores. Some random loose Googling revealed some old tests, where there were minimal effects with dual core CPUs. If we're talking about six hyperthreaded cores, this might end up in a more noticeable effect.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jul 25, 2011

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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There's really no workloads that have a considerable advantage from this? I'm curious as to why Intel jumps through all the hoops to make it work for no real effect. I'd figure it'd be cheaper to market something as an xxxxtreme CPUs instead of actually developing and testing one (with questionable advantages apparently).

--edit: vvvv Things like video encoding and rendering can tax a CPU quite good. E.g. when running Expression Encoder or Premiere, my CPU cooler starts making funny noises.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jul 25, 2011

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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I'm probably the only one that disabled turbo and doesn't overclock, I figure? :v:

I kinda value data integrity. With this upgrade, I lost the ability to use ECC RAM, so I'm not taking any chances. Seeing as this box runs 24/7.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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movax posted:

I'm a hardware engineer in a R&D group; we do high-speed data acquisition/control systems and as part of that we roll our own motherboards / FPGAs that connect via PCIe/HyperTransport to minimize latency and increase speed :science:
So you're basically telling me that Creative's bickering about PCIe increasing latencies for sound cards is bullshit?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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movax posted:

I think it's a cop out. Obviously I have no idea behind their development process, but perhaps their PCIe IP Core + the rest of their logic wasn't up to snuff. Hell, by the 7-series chipset, PCI will only be provided via PCIe to PCI bridge chips like the PEX 8112 at motherboard manufacturer discretion, so people with PCI cards will be going through PCIe whether they like it or not.
They were yapping something about "overly increased" latencies due to larger packet sizes and what not, interfering with general audio playback, introducing clicks and such.

Never struck me as honest reasoning either way, seeing that they'd be going from a shared lower speed bus to a dedicated high speed link.

--edit: BTW, why are we discussing 1600MHz DDR3 with the SB? I thought it doesn't do more than 1333MHz.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Aug 5, 2011

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Naw, I thought the Sandy Bridges all run at 1333 and the upcoming Ivy Bridges would bump it to 1600. I run four 4GB DIMMs, the CPU would probably not dig 1600, anyway.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Agreed posted:

I initially had it at 1333mhz same timings 1T, no overvolt. Bumped it up to 1600mhz 9-9-9-24 1T, slight overvolt. It's doing fine, idle and load well within safe limits. So... I guess what I'm trying to say, is...
I might just try 1T. How much of an improvement does it give over 2T? The DIMMs are some Corsair XMS3 1600.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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When the Ivy Bridge releases, can we expect the -E version around the same date, as well? Or will it be launched with a considerable delay?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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freeforumuser posted:

Yeah, its retarded that the 2600K has VT-x but not VT-d despite being the top-tiered CPU for its socket
Something that's kinda not important right now, since most boards don't even allow you to enable VT-d. I'm waiting to get my hands on Hyper-V in Windows 8 to see whether it's worth to switch the board for one that lets me do this. I figure with these Synthetic devices and RemoteFX not so much.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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incoherent posted:

Those x79 boards and the memory slots :stare:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4793/x79-motherboards-from-gigabyte-msi-at-idf-2011
Goddamn, if the SB-E CPUs wouldn't be that loving expensive, I'd upgrade to LGA2011 just for the memory slots. 4x4GB is waaaaayyyyy cheaper than 2x8GB.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Heh. I seem to remember them throwing an 20% value around in the past.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Is a 30-50% guesstimate really worth 3-4x the price?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Regardless, why are they comparing the 3960X, instead of the 3820, to the 2600K?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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I thought it's connected to that new magical ring bus, and the CPU pretends it being on PCIe with trickery in its PCIe core?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Not sure, possibly I'm going to skip it. In theory, power savings could possibly make up for it relatively fast, seeing how my box runs 24/7. Some changes listed in that Anandtech article earlier could prove advantageous for the hyperthreaded variants. And some math improvements (that divider) could help in my photo, video and rendering stuff. We'll see.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Out of curiosity, is SB-E 32nm or 22nm?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Eh, an enthusiast mobo with SAS would be nice. At least for a boot drive.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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What's so special to the TB cables, that they're so expensive?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Factory Factory posted:

Ugh, watch it not switch to soldering until IVB-E.
By the time the IVB-E is out, Haswell would be ready for manufacturing.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Another new socket for the Haswell?!

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Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

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Factory Factory posted:

When they finally release a consumer optical Thunderbolt, the cables will get cheaper. Not cheap, because they're still fiber-optic cables, but cheaper.
What's the reason we don't have optical to begin with, since that's what was always talked about when it still was Lightpeak. Are the optical transceivers that expensive? Can't be that much. The overall optical package might probably be cheaper, if expensive active cables weren't involved.

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