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R1CH posted:Also it is very annoying to clean old thermal paste out of the Hyper 212+. Actually that would work OK too, just leaves deposits you have to wash off with water if you care about getting your temps a few degrees C lower. MEK/xylene are still the best though, particularly for those HSF's that have the heat pipes exposed and have lots of nooks and crannies. \/\/\/\/ PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Mar 15, 2011 |
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Kashwashwa posted:I must have got a poo poo chip
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... it won't stay stable above 4.3ghz and that's with 1.35v. I thought the new motherboard might make a difference, but I get identical results as my last (Gigabyte P67A-UD3).
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movax posted:Also, what is the "max" safe VCore for 24/7, non-electromigration causing operation? I know Asus's EFI BIOS turns the voltage red after you exceed 1.330V, but I've seen some yahoos running at 1.4V 24/7 as well. Supposedly 1.35v is the max for 24/7 use. A little higher is certainly fine for a while but you usually need water cooling at that point unless you like the sound of jet engines in your case. I don't think anyone knows exactly how long it'll take to actually kill the chip at a given voltage outside of Intel though. Doing quick n' dirty googles shows people who've gone up to 1.5v and have had thier chips suddenly die already. e: "Turbine/jet engine" is pretty subjective admittedly. Personally I don't mind the WHOOOOOOSH of the several moderate rpm 120mm fans in my case but most people I know flip out at that sort of thing. YMMV \/\/\/\/\/\/\/ PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Aug 4, 2011 |
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Alereon posted:Just a reminder that water cooling is always louder than air cooling. The pumps alone in one of those commercial Antec/Corsair kits are about as loud as a noisy case fan, and the fans have to spin much faster to get equivalent cooling because water cooling is so much less efficient (remember, the water is just moving heat from the CPU to a radiator, and heat pipes move more heat faster without a pump). It's possible to build your own custom water cooling system that will out perform air (by using a massive car radiator for example, or putting the radiator underground), but that's not what most people mean when they talk about water cooling.
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Alereon posted:Even if you buy one of those expensive water cooling kits you're still not going to get performance rivaling air cooling. Silent PC Review just did a review of the Antec Kuhler water coolers, Well poo poo didn't know the heat pipe HSF's had gotten that good. Last one I got was at least 3 years ago now. Guess is car radiator route or nothing for water cooling now.
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I've had those Intel push pin HSF's go right in and then I've had them be a real struggle to get on too, no rhyme or reason why it just happens some times.
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Has anyone tried freezing the CPU and then twisting the IHS off? I know that used to work for some chips that heatsinks/spreaders cemented on back in the day. e: Not much, maybe a degree C or 2 improvement in temp for delidding a soldered IHS. Freezer used to work just fine for me when I did it but dry ice was also an option if you didn't want to wait several hours for the chip/card to get cool enough. \/\/\/\/\/ PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Jun 9, 2013 |
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Jun 9, 2013 05:38
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realworldtech is pretty awesome.
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What improvements are the Haswell refresh supposed to bring anyways? Slightly better clocks + slightly lower power usage would be my WAG. I somehow doubt that Intel will budge much on prices for a refreshed Haswell and I'm not even expecting them to fix the crappy job they're doing with gluing the IHS down.
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Jul 27, 2013 13:01
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No but it jives with rumors that K version Skylake won't be on sale until Q3-4 '15. Irritating but maybe by then faster DDR4 won't be so $rape$ price wise.
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MediaGX is just branding now. They replaced the original Cyrix design with what amounts to an old K7 Athlon core soon after they acquired it. When they were 1st released though MediaGX was kinda interesting as being the first chipset integrated IGP + south bridge that had almost OK performance for pretty cheap. You could get a whole system for around $4-500 less than a Intel based system. Too bad the CPU wasn't good even for its time so they had to use a customized version of windows that was optimized for that chip to get good performance. I don't know if you could even boot a regular version of windows on one.
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That was what I remembered about them. Apparently its not really correct. There was some bug with installing win98 on them and a default win98 install disc won't work without some shenanigans.
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Has to be coded for to work though? Probably won't make a difference for more than a couple years if so. That is why I was irritated by the TSX/HLE bugs in current CPU's that forced them to disable it. Its takes years for these new CPU features to get widespread support and use and they set things back quite a bit by screwing the pooch there. If those leaked Skylake benches are correct than LOL still sticking with my 2600K for a while longer I guess. edit:\/\/\//\/\/ Supposed to be but that ranks right up there with, 'All they need to do is recompile and this new feature should work!!' which almost never seems to happen. PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Apr 26, 2015 |
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Thats understandable but you could just swap to a Z77 chipset mobo and get good USB3 for cheaper and keep your current CPU and RAM. It'd take something like integrated USB3.1 support to make me think of spending the extra cash for the CPU + DDR4. Might just get a add in card instead really.
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Apr 27, 2015 01:23
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Grim Up North posted:I remember buying such a board a decade ago when making the switch from DDR to DDR2 at the same time when the AGP to PCIe transition was ongoing. I don't think it was especially expensive.
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You'll have plenty of time to save up if that roadmap is correct. Mid-ish 2017 is nearly 2.5 yr away.
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May 26, 2015 14:14
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Biostar is supposed to have at least 1. Its going to be a 'budget' mobo though. I haven't been too impressed with their budget stuff before. Yea it was cheap but the build quality was PCChips-esque and they didn't last long.
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Supposedly some stuff can still be processed natively for speed but yea most everything else is 'cracked' into micro-ops over several cycles or more (in some case hundreds or thousands of cycles for 'legacy' instructions that are seldom used) of some sort to run on the 'back end' which actually does all the computational work. Generally its not seen as a big deal anymore to do this sort of thing. At least for x86. Its the x87 FPU that is supposed to be the real nightmare these days to deal with what with its weird support for stuff like 80 bit double extended precision instructions which no one messes with anymore but still has to be supported.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Is there any point in introducing a completely new instruction set, that moves the burden of optimization a little more back to the compiler? Using mode switching antics, this doesn't sound unpossible.
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BobHoward posted:This is not really true any more. Scare quotes were around legacy because yes you're right they're technically not really legacy but some things so rarely used its quibbling at this point. BobHoward posted:Thus, cracking is not as much a thing as it used to be.
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I think if you need the best possible performance per watt they're unbeatable right now. In terms of total single threaded performance it seems they're not so hot and a 3-ishGhz Haswell will beat it by a fair margin there. Too bad about the price though. Yea its a server board and all but still its a weenie ITX board without lots of DIMM slots or on board hardware RAID controllers, minimal USB ports, and no SAS controller/ports. Hopefully they come down in price quickly.
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Twerk from Home posted:Isn't that price significantly undercutting existing 10GigE pricing? I thought that NICs alone were >$200 still. Not all boards will have 10Gbe ports even if its supported by the SoC! Gotta actually click the link guys! quote:Intel i350-AM2 dual port GbE LAN The system Anandtech was reviewing sells for about $1200 which still isn't bad at all considering the specs but is also certainly not really cheap: http://www.wiredzone.com/supermicro-servers-compact-embedded-processor-sys-5028d-tn4t-10024470
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm really hoping for some nice chipset features on Z170.
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Twerk from Home posted:but it feels so lame to buy Haswell 2 whole years after its introduction. You'd think they'd try to do more to differentiate the chipsets at least if they can't or won't improve the CPU much anymore. Pack more features in or support improvements like USB3.1 or something to add some value and give the end user a reason or at least enticement to upgrade.
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If you don't mind BioStar they still sell a Z77 mATX mobo for $80. As far as I know this is still fairly accurate for Skylake K availability. 
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Yea I don't much like BioStar either but I know lots of people like them and thought maybe you hadn't seen it yet.
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I think we're still a couple of years away from 'fat loads' of cheap DDR4 and I dunno how far away from 'fat loads' of cheap and really fast DDR4. I'm assuming you mean 64GB+ when you say fat loads though so I could be horribly wrong.
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Crap like that is why I dislike LGA's to this day. At least if you bent a pin on a P4 or AMD chip you could just use a mechanical pencil with the lead removed to carefully bend it back in place. Worked most every time.
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That was the reason given but AMD has been able to do pretty well with 'regular' sockets for quite a long time now so I'm not sure how necessary it really was to do it.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Given AMD's current state and performance I'm not sure I'd say they were doing fine with their current sockets. Gwaihir posted:AMD chips, known for their excellent low power/low voltage operations GokieKS posted:I think people are kidding themselves if they think the primary reason was anything but to shift the issue of damaged pin damage to MBs. edit: OK sorry, hard to tell these days\/\/\/\/\/ PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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BobHoward posted:AMD actually switched to LGA for server parts many, many years ago.
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BobHoward posted:Nobody said the gains were ginormous. BobHoward posted:There's dozens (maybe even hundreds) of minor things like this where, if taken alone, it's not a huge advantage for Intel, but the fact that Intel is able to do them all adds up to a substantial advantage. edit: MEK or Xylene next time, just wear the proper gloves and do it outside or open a window and run a fan cuz' they're nasty\/\/\/\/\/\/ PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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BobHoward posted:You say there isn't a noticeable gain. How can you tell?...on what basis do you claim durability has gone down? How do you know costs haven't changed? Why do you think I'm merely theorycrafting? I have worked at a fabless semi company... LGA pins are notoriously delicate and difficult to fix even when its possible to do so, the durability difference is obvious. That costs haven't changed much is an assumption on my part. Usually if Intel has some sort of cost advantage they like to crow about it even if they won't go into specifics. I haven't seen anything like that from them and have certainly not seen anything to suggest packaging prices have changed much with LGA vs PGA. If you would've had a definitive link you probably would've posted it by now + you were giving possible issues instead of giving concrete examples with the actual existing sockets themselves. Its cool (not being ironic, it really is) you've got experience in the business but does your experience really apply to current AMD vs Intel sockets?
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BobHoward posted:What I have been trying to tell you all along is that real gains can be invisible if you don't know what you're looking for, or don't have the tools to measure them. You seem totally hung up on the fact that AMD got those features to work; that's not the entire picture. The proof should be in the pudding so to speak and that there isn't any is very telling. I don't know a simpler way of putting things really and we're kind've going around and around on this so if its OK I'll just drop it. :/ BobHoward posted:The average number of insertion cycles these sockets see is about 1, because enthusiasts are a small fraction of the market.
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Twerk from Home posted:Edit: I just realized I have no idea what DDR4's long term prospects look like. For all I know that DDR4 2800 is the equivalent of DDR3-1333.
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Lowen SoDium posted:DDR3 at 1660 with CAS 9 comes to 5.42 ns
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Potato Salad posted:Remind me why we stopped soldering the heatspreader on? I have to think a dab of metallic solder would beat paste hands down, conductivity be damned.
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Lowen SoDium posted:My point was that the latency difference between DDR3 and 4 can low enough to not even matter, as long as you are buy fast enough memory. If the latency is more or less the same, your performance should be better because of the increased bandwidth (when bandwidth matters).
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The other cool thing about USB3.2 is its supposed to support higher voltages for faster charges and powering larger devices. Theoretically up to 100w. I don't know if we'll ever see that since it has to run at 20v to do that but 12v (a handy voltage that is already out put by the PSU so no conversion necessary) capable USB3.2 ports should be common place over the next few years. Running a monitor off a single universal cable/port for the power, screen, and sound would be nice. e: \/\/\/\/\/\/ Yea ports that could do something like that have existed before, I didn't say it was a first to do that, but they were usually proprietary, expensive, or both and so never really took off. USB3.2 should be everywhere eventually so its a lot more interesting and practical way to do that. PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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HalloKitty posted:So when you re-fit it, it can feel like you're up against the normal resistance, but instead, you snap one half of the plastic around the pin. Yeah the old Socket A/370 style mounts were difficult to use but more modern Socket 939 and AM3 clips aren't bad at all and aren't easily damaged. The lever versions in particular are some of the easiest around to use.
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