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ProfessorCirno posted:I mean, also remember, Eclipse Phase is about the remains of humanity. If you were against body swapping and uploading yourself...you probably didn't make it off Earth. The Fall ensures the types of humans left is not a massive list. Yeah there is quite a selective pressure put on the remains of humanity towards this. If you had issues with uploading you were stuck on earth and then the TITANS didn't care about your moral objections.
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Covok posted:So, Eclipse Phase is a world populated by survivalist NRA goons being allowed to define the status quo,in a sense then. No? There's basically two things going on here. First, transhumanist tech wasn't like, invented during the fall. Science was chugging along just fine pre-Fall - hell, it was doing way better. Uplifting was increasingly normalized by the time the TITANS had their boogie. Gene manipulation was most likely rampant amongst those not poverty stricken. It most certainly would've been a near necessity to be one of the people living and working in space. So while full scale "change bodies" stuff probably was even more limited to the upper classes, just about everyone would be familiar with genetic modification, whether they got it voluntarily because they had the money, or took it "on loan" in a horrifyingly exploitative job in space. Second, the Fall was one massive filter. For all intents and purposes, yes, humanity literally did die out in the Fall, because the only way you're surviving that fucker is by using that transhumanist tech. The vast, VAST majority of people who escaped Earth only did so by uploading themselves and blasting that transmission out in hopes of being caught by other humans. If you weren't on Earth, then yeah, you once again were at least ok enough with transhumanist technology to be modified enough to do your poo poo in space. The Fall presented the very real and literal question of "is your hate of transhumanist tech more important then your life?" If you answered yes, then, well, you paid it in turn. Let me put it another way: No, not everyone was a "survivalist NRA goon." But the world isn't what it used to be. Transhumanist tech is not an "optional" thing - without it, humanity, or whatever it is now, would not have survived, and would not continue surviving.
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^^^Ok? No one's arguing that Jovians are actually 'pure' humans or whatever? The issue is that after humanity was destroyed and literally forced to accept transhumanity at the barrel of a...space monster virus gun....the dominant factions seem to view it either as 'this is v. good and normal' or 'COMPUTER SCARE ME BLOW UP THE HOSPITAL' and there's no one going 'yea cool that was good you saved us but we should probably look at why this happened beyond the TITAN threat and maybe scale back our reliance on transhumanist stuff as a society?'ProfessorCirno posted:I mean, also remember, Eclipse Phase is about the remains of humanity. If you were against body swapping and uploading yourself...you probably didn't make it off Earth. The Fall ensures the types of humans left is not a massive list. I'd argue that EP is not that great at horror without being tweaked, to be honest. I think it gets bogged down in political/scientific stuff in its fluff and it loses the 'transhumanism IS the horror' thread fairly quickly and becomes a story about transhumanists inherently. I love EP but stuff like, as mentioned, them just kinda shrugging off literal bio-mechanically enforced wage slavery as 'welp that's just gonna happen' pushes it further into the 'firewall adventure times' than the actual transhumanist horror experience, because it boils down to a fight between 'yea well what are ya gonna do' and 'WE GOTTA BLOW UP THE COMPUTERS THAT MAKE ME INSECURE' and oh yea also there's TITAN poo poo. sexpig by night fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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sexpig by night posted:^^^Ok? No one's arguing that Jovians are actually 'pure' humans or whatever? The issue is that after humanity was destroyed and literally forced to accept transhumanity at the barrel of a...space monster virus gun....the dominant factions seem to view it either as 'this is v. good and normal' or 'COMPUTER SCARE ME BLOW UP THE HOSPITAL' and there's no one going 'yea cool that was good you saved us but we should probably look at why this happened beyond the TITAN threat and maybe scale back our reliance on transhumanist stuff as a society?' Yeah, and Shadowrun isn't about destroying the megacorps and initiating fully automated gay space communism across the globe. Eclipse Phase isn't a utopian setting. It's a dystopic one, where part of the horror comes from how horrible and hosed up life is for so many. Like, I feel that's what's confusing me. You're acting like Eclipse Phrase presents this without commentary and just shrugs it off and goes "naw the Soul Trade is actually super good guys!" It does nothing of the sort! Hell, half the problems this thread has is that Eclipse Phase very actively puts it's thumb on that scale and tells you who the good guys and bad guys are - they just aren't really divided by their views on technology. And like...you can play a bioconservative who isn't Jovian! Again, that is absolutely an option! They're just going to be looked down on for the same reason you and I would probably give looks to someone ranting about how cell phones have killed our humanity. This isn't crazy sci-fi tech in the setting - it's everyday poo poo. If you wanna run a campaign where the end goal is indeed to completely smash the Inner Systems government, then...by all means do so! You are right in saying that isn't the core thrust of the game, but I really don't see the argument here.
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EP needs working with Mari Onette or whatever her name was on Mars to be a valid campaign type, and it also needs to point out that Space Social Democracy Pretending To Be Socialism is worse than Space Fascism. Like, just flat out state, 💯 that the Titanians could totally give a body to everyone in the system after a two year mass mobilization and the only reason they don't is because they want to keep private property. That would be a good setting. Two evil superpowers, then the Jovian Republic, Venus, and everyone else.
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Like at a certain point, people are upset that Eclipse Phase is about transhumanist adventures, and uh...yeah. It's right there on the box. It is, indeed, about having transhumanist adventures.
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I always thought of it like this. It's broadest brush-strokes are in to flavors. The Jovian leadership and upper crust have the money and access to get whatever tech they want installed, as long as it's subtle and they don't flaunt it. Either they need to 'keep up with the enemy, sacrificing their humanity so you can be free  ', and otherwise justifying that 'it's ok when I do it'; or 'LOL, I'm rich, bitch. I can afford to vacation in the VeganoTechno Pleasure Station and Surgical Suites, and those laws are only meant for the commons." The rank and file, jovian working class get access limited in three ways: A: Constant propaganda that a lot of them believe. Just look at how many people come out of 'abstenence only' sex ed coursed believing that condoms don't work to see how easily even the laziest of lies can be beaten into a population. B: It's expensive and hard to find, compared to the resources they have. The rich and powerful have easy access to this stuff. People selling it come to them, with offerings they can easily budget for. The working stiff? The few cyberdocs that have fallen to their level are already hiding from the authorities and have to cover expenses just like the top-end guys. C: The poor are under heavier scrutiny. Already, any level of privacy is becoming a luxury IRL. As tech advances, the price of privacy will increase as the price of surveillance drops. On top of that, add the pressure that the jovian government has to keep tabs on it's put-upon population. Most of them realize that their government is screwing them at least a little, and the surveillance state is part of how that is prevented from breaking out into true revolt. Someone mentioned Double Hitler earlier. I've had, in the back of my mind a kind of 'The Boys from Brazil Station'. A group trying to create a facimilie of the gilded image of some Great Leader they've mythologized with cloning and simulspace. Like the Lost Generation, but slower and less psychic, but raised to be horrible monsters by design rather than accident. Edit: Or maybe they aren't waiting for the kids to mature, and begin kidnapping people who's lives 'fit the profile so far' and popping them into simulspace and psychosurgery. Moto42 fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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Yeah, I've always seen the Jovians as "This technology nearly destroyed humanity as a whole*, maybe we should stop and rethink how and whether or not we should use it so much.", which yes, is reactionary and conservative, but also Earth is dead and even actively hostile to anybody that tries to go back to it. It's not an unreasonable sort of reactionary stance. I mean personally I don't really like the way they treat uplifts, but I'm not going to say they're bad because they take a relatively hard line approach to things that nearly pushed humankind to destruction. Like, the way I see it, it's less like guns and more like nuclear weapons. I'm fully, 100% aware that nuclear power can lead to somewhat cleaner power generation (although there's still the thorny nuclear waste problem), and I wish that it didn't inherently come tied to the fact that being able to refine nuclear fuel for power plants also means you can refine it for bombs. I hate that nuclear weapons are the inevitable side effect, but I think that the potential for better power options is worth it. I won't poo poo on somebody that thinks that fission power is not worth nukes though. I mean, if a hot nuclear war happened and say, 10-20% of humanity survived, would anybody be surprised if we collectively just stopped using nuclear stuff for at least a while? * Insofar as transhumanity is pretty much all that's left.
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Moto42 posted:Someone mentioned Double Hitler earlier. One of the stories that George Alec Effinger was going to write in the Budayeen series before he died (notes and a sample turn up in "Budayeen Nights") was about a group of Twelver clerics in the Islamic confederation the stories take place deciding to stop waiting and build their own Twelve Imam, using moddy tech to construct an artificial persona along the Islamic guidelines, then stick the chip into someone that is reasonably pious, connected religiously, but unknown. Also, going off similar ideas in Effinger's Budayeen stuff, who is to say that the Reconstructed were actually real people. Imagine if someone with means created "James Bond" using fabricated memories based of from the franchise, then put him out there like he was another info-refugee. Worse if the character is a TITAN "Manchurian Candidate" built from a fictional character because they misunderstood, Galaxy Quest-style, the difference between fiction and reality.
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Rorac posted:Nukes Transhumanism didn't kill humanity, though. TITANS did. Transhumanism allowed humanity to survive. I mean yes, most Jovians might think this way, but also kinda only them. The idea that "my ability to transmit myself OFF of Earth to survive the Fall" is in any way linked to the Fall actually happening is, for most of the universe, absolutely absurd. Because it IS absurd, and it's increasingly weird to see people expressing it here.
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ProfessorCirno posted:Transhumanism didn't kill humanity, though. TITANS did. Transhumanism allowed humanity to survive. You're becoming increasingly obtuse.
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If Transhumanity keeps advancing they will eventually get smart enough to find the signs the ETI left behind and get infected with the Exsurgent virus. That is if the Titans aren't just going to come back and wipe out the whole system someday. Bioconservativism is really the only small chance humanity has of surviving. The Prometheans should all probably be killed too before they get infected.
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ProfessorCirno posted:Transhumanism didn't kill humanity, though. TITANS did. Transhumanism allowed humanity to survive. TITANS are transhumanism, though. A.I.s that blur the lines of humanity and exceed human limits of thought is a branch of transhumanism. Also, I think some real life stuff pushes us to this too. When you consider me viewing it like guns, recent events are probably souring my opinion more. And it seems some other posters agree that they view similar parallels. So that will definitely push that opinion. Secondly, I think the fact that an arguably valid viewpoint -- "after our attempts to exceed human limitations ended the Earth, perhaps we need to re-evaluate" -- is portrayed as double-hitler annoys some players, especially in the "Fantasy heartbreaker" way where you can see a lot more interesting conflict but know it chose not to. Sure, this is TTRPG so you can totally homebrew it in, but there's always that annoyance with any homebrew where you're kind of annoyed it didn't come that way. Don't get me wrong. The EP crew seem like nice people. Not trying to poo poo on them. I think the setting is cool. The system less so, but they did make a FATE version and are working on a 2nd ed. I love that they make the book free to download and this even led to me buying it in hardcover. So, I'm not like mad at them. I'm just looking at the setting -- which is the main draw -- and just going "ugh, this could be better if they just made it more even-handed."
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Covok posted:Yeah, how about we talk about the literal wage slavery where people are forced to buy off the cost of their own bodies. Like, not eating or sleeping, but robot bodies they're forced to have. Gearhead posted:I love how the story itself just kind of shrugs at this sort of thing as a part of the system. I'd love to talk about this! Eclipse Phase goes into the topic of indentured servitude in quite a bit of depth, both exploring it as a moral wrong and presenting the mistreatment/rescue of indentured people as a source of plot hooks. Here's some reading from the core book to get you started: quote:The lowest social classes in the Jovian Republic lack personal infotech access, as do people indentured to the hypercorps and the Planetary Consortium, particularly on Luna and Mars. These individuals are either indentured criminals or people sufficiently lacking in useful skills that they are assigned mindless physical tasks that cannot be more efficiently performed by AIs. quote:The Planetary Consortium is also particularly adept at adding charges that prolong indenture—though most indentures carry five to twenty year contracts, in reality these indentures typically last between eight and twenty-five years; some go on even longer. quote:Claims by some infomorphs that Experia has illegally subjected indentured infomorphs to never-ending simulation experiments for forecasting and intelligence analysis purposes remain unsubstantiated. quote:The rumored population of ultimates here is only about 10,000, but the ultimates purchase a large number of infomorph indentures from Mars. Although there are no reports of any of these indentures returning, rumor has it that the ultimates download indentures serving in sensitive areas into zeroes—deaf, visually limited flats with no mesh implants and limited mental capacity. quote:Characters who find themselves too destitute to afford a new morph can strike a deal for indentured service—a “deal” that is rarely advantageous to the new indenture. Typical contracts require years of indentured labor—terraforming Mars, herding comets, asteroid mining, constructing habitats, colonizing exoplanets, etc.—in exchange for a cheap synthetic morph or splicer at the end of the term. Gamemasters may use their discretion in offering such terms, though in many cases the terms offered will temporarily or permanently end the character’s career as a free agent. Hypercorps using indentured labor are notorious for changing the terms at a whim, extending the service period, or slamming the indenture with a slew of hidden and outrageous charges that were not made clear up front. Characters may, of course, enter into such service fully intending to grab their morph and run at the first opportunity, but the hypercorps are very protective of their investments. Indentures are closely monitored and tracked, and the hypercorps are not above sending ego hunters to retrieve a runaway. This is only a few excerpts - you can find a lot more if you feel like it, especially if you crack open the splat books that devote entire pages to it. The setting also covers people who oppose indentured servitude like the Barsoomians and what they're doing to change it, if you want to make adventures about it. (One of my favourite things in Gatecrashing is Krypton, the resort exoplanet that's secretly been infiltrated top to bottom by Barsoomians who plan to stage a revolution that will probably go off when the PCs arrive.)
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It's becoming increasingly obvious certain people in this thread really have not read the books. Also like, if your argument is "but I don't like transhumanism!" then cool, but also, wrong game for you then.
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ProfessorCirno posted:It's becoming increasingly obvious certain people in this thread really have not read the books. The Jovians are transparent moustache twirling baddies who do everything in the worst, dumbest way. That makes them less interesting than a more nuanced, but still evil bioconservative faction might be. That makes the game a bit less good than it could be, for all it's easy enough to kitbash.
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ProfessorCirno posted:It's becoming increasingly obvious certain people in this thread really have not read the books. Agreed - if the books have a default antagonist it's the planetary consortium, not the jovians. They're the ones running OZMA, after all.
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sebmojo posted:The Jovians are transparent moustache twirling baddies who do everything in the worst, dumbest way. That makes them less interesting than a more nuanced, but still evil bioconservative faction might be. That makes the game a bit less good than it could be, for all it's easy enough to kitbash. Sure, but people are coming out going "the Jovians are right, and Eclipse Phase is bad for not talking about the downsides of transhumanism!" when the horrors of transhumanism are present throughout the entirety of the core book alone. And people are going "clearly everyone would have issues with transhumanism!" when the setting is pretty clear that people with that big of a problem straight up didn't survive. Again, it just comes off as someone not having read the actual setting. And again, if your issue is that you think transhumanism is just blankly bad, then this is not the right game for you. Also I would've agreed with you a few years ago, but man, sometimes life actually is just filled with literal transparent moustache twirling baddies. There's nothing unrealistic about that in the slightest. Lastly, I'm going to say it again: you don't need to be Jovian to be a bioconservative. The Jovians are literal current day neoconservatives. You can be unsure of transhumanist technology without joining them.
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ProfessorCirno posted:The Jovians are literal current day neoconservatives. exactly
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sebmojo posted:The Jovians are transparent moustache twirling baddies who do everything in the worst, dumbest way. That makes them less interesting than a more nuanced, but still evil bioconservative faction might be. That makes the game a bit less good than it could be, for all it's easy enough to kitbash. Yeah, the problem with treating them strictly as antagonists is that they are boring and incompetent as they are written. They lack charisma, so nobody would ever willingly side with them. Their hard-core bioconservatism ensures they will always be behind most of other factions. There is almost no interaction between them and the rest of the system, as they prefer to oppress their population undisturbed and don't care about anything else. The only way they could cross the players is by them actually trying to infiltrate the Republic, but there is very little reason to go there. Jovians are pretty much Space North Korea.
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Gantolandon posted:Yeah, the problem with treating them strictly as antagonists is that they are boring and incompetent as they are written. They lack charisma, so nobody would ever willingly side with them. Their hard-core bioconservatism ensures they will always be behind most of other factions. There is almost no interaction between them and the rest of the system, as they prefer to oppress their population undisturbed and don't care about anything else. The only way they could cross the players is by them actually trying to infiltrate the Republic, but there is very little reason to go there. Jovians are pretty much Space North Korea. They're a little better...but not that much better. The thing to them is, you do have to deal with them. Everyone has to deal with them. Because they own Jupiter. And good luck having any sort of regular travel between inner and outer systems without having to move through Jovian space. The other catch is that the Jovians have, easily and bar none, not only the biggest fleet in the system, but what may as well be the ONLY fleet. In other words, the Jovians are in a position to muck around with any kind of travel between inner and outer, and any cargo that would pass in between, and more or less the only way TO deal with that kind of problem is to infiltrate them. There were also a lot of very hush hush research facilities in Jovian space before the Fall, so that's two reasons to have to infiltrate them. So, they have a niche, it's just...very niche. Because it's so specific, I could see the Jovians getting more play in the new book so that you don't have to kinda craft a campaign around them to use them. Right now, it's just too feast or famine - either your whole campaign is going to be about the Jovian Republic, or they're a complete side story, an extra bizarre beach episode of sorts.
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sebmojo posted:exactly The Jovians aren't the only biocon faction, and they're far from the only faction skeptical of continued boundary pushing development - poo poo, the default player faction is built entirely around that kind of skepticism. There's a presentation issue in that the core book upfronts the Jovians more than other biocon factions, and that it uses an unreliable narrator in its first intro fiction, which I do think were bad decisions. But that's not the only thing in the text.
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It's not quite true that the only examples of bioconservatives are the fascist neo-conservative Jovian Republic, but the way things are written tend to make them the only example with any major presence. As a whole, the bioconservatives in EP come in three, maybe four different flavours: 1. Jovians Very fascist, very bioconservative, hate fun. 2. Planetary Consortium/LLA Conservatives The second core bioconservative faction in EP are the bio-conservative core of the PC, especially the ones that are citizens of the LLA. They have a legal ban on AGI and discriminate against uplifts and people sleeved in synths. Compared to the Jovian Republic, the PC/LLA biocons are far less present in the setting because if you're a player character, you can still have 90% of the fun provided by resleeving, forking, etc. in the PC/LLA, and it's very easy to forget that these attitudes are even there, because of how little page-time they get. 3. Misc. Bioconservatives There's also scattered habitats and communities that have various bioconservative attitudes. They tend to not be described as much. They lack presence altogether. 4. Regular People There's also tons of people who have "concerns" about uplifts, AGI, synths, etc. and engage in some everyday low-key bigotry against them. These are presumably all over the place (perhaps less so in the Autonomist Alliance, because the AA can do no wrong) and can probably be ignored entirely because who plays elfgames to experience the hardships of anti-uplift microaggressions? In all cases, though, bioconservatives are ultimately wrong. They're space racists who hate robot-people and animal-people and computer-people, they're against resleeving (without which pretty much any game falls apart at the seams because the game assumes frequent resleeving), and they're always proven wrong by the setting. Exhumans and Singularity Seekers and other problems that arise are not caused by radical transhumanism itself, but rather bad individuals who take it too far but shouldn't reflect on transhumanism as a whole. A lot of this could be solved by having bioconservatives who aren't evil fascists but instead are a viable alternative.
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The fact most of this thread apparently seems to be devoted to Jovian discussion tells me it was wrong for Posthuman to drop them.
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It's wrong to drop them because no matter what your political beliefs, ignoring an opposed belief system is unhelpful at best and detrimental at worst. EP is full of terrible poo poo, and saying that one extreme is objectively worse and should be excluded is a bad joke. Do I like the Jovians? gently caress no. Should they be excluded because of what they may or may not stand for in the official fluff? gently caress no. You can change stuff as much as you want for your own game and more power to you, but any game based off the real world, extrapolated or not, shouldn't be afraid to take things to a logical extreme. My 2 cents as someone who's friends have a hard time getting into DnD so has had little experience playing the actual game.
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There's no concrete evidence they've been dropped. At most they're not a player option since they're not in the playtest document, and even that's a stretch, since they specifically announced the faction they made non-player facing/antagonist only. It's far more likely the Jovian stuff just isn't done, or is slated for a later release, since PC Jovians (regardless of their popularity here) are clearly overall a niche choice among the player base.
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Odd tangent, but does eclipse phase ever deal with the fact that there would be people who would want to turn themselves into literal anime characters? Dish plate eyes and all?
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Covok posted:Odd tangent, but does eclipse phase ever deal with the fact that there would be people who would want to turn themselves into literal anime characters? Dish plate eyes and all? I shudder to imagine a world where weeaboos are still a significant cultural force 150 years later.
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Covok posted:Odd tangent, but does eclipse phase ever deal with the fact that there would be people who would want to turn themselves into literal anime characters? Dish plate eyes and all? There are people who wouldn't?
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Covok posted:Odd tangent, but does eclipse phase ever deal with the fact that there would be people who would want to turn themselves into literal anime characters? Dish plate eyes and all? I mean there are tons of people that just live in Virtual Reality forever, so I assume a lot of them.
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Covok posted:Odd tangent, but does eclipse phase ever deal with the fact that there would be people who would want to turn themselves into literal anime characters? Dish plate eyes and all? I think it describes Momo Von Satan as 'your classic gothic guro lolita'. In the past i've found more players wanting to play Ultimates, so they could be Space Spartans from Uranus. The extreme identity politic and pursuit for personal perfection bordering on Posthuman gets forgotten as they just want a reason to play a Remade with Railrifle. Ultimates fill the hole of setting villains but are competent militarist clans from the far rimward, that requires some conspiracy story to work rather than throwing Jovian Luddite buffoons as some one dimensional baddies for a fight.
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Covok posted:Odd tangent, but does eclipse phase ever deal with the fact that there would be people who would want to turn themselves into literal anime characters? Dish plate eyes and all? Technically, these would be aesthetic choices on any given morph. A pod morph could easily support any bizarre physicality you'd want to use; Aeon Flux, Simpsons, Bevis and Butthead, Ren and Stimpy... anime features wouldn't be that hard to do. However, since I'm pretty sure they ignore furries beyond Uplifts, this probably falls under the general rule 0.5; 'sure, you can do anything. YOU can do it. We ain't touching that.'
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Kommando posted:Momo Von Satan Momo is pure Japanese goth, the anime comes with the territory. The Cock is also pretty much anime when you get down to it, really.
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Zalabar posted:However, since I'm pretty sure they ignore furries beyond Uplifts, this probably falls under the general rule 0.5; 'sure, you can do anything. YOU can do it. We ain't touching that.' The descriptions of the Critter morph explicitly call them out as being popular with furries.
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Mighty Dicktron posted:The descriptions of the Critter morph explicitly call them out as being popular with furries. And then its never mentioned again.
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Mighty Dicktron posted:The descriptions of the Critter morph explicitly call them out as being popular with furries. Man, I'm learning all sorts of things in this thread. Welp, better restore from backup.
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Heh, Lovecraftian horror in EP. Investigator notices odd coincidences in some data at work. He digs deeper. Learns Things Man Was Not Meant To Know. Investigator restores from backup. A few days later, he notices some odd coincidences...
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Ah, the old Kafka sleeve.
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Subjunctive posted:Ah, the old Kafka sleeve. Not to be confused with the Samsa sleeve!
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Moto42 posted:Heh, Lovecraftian horror in EP. I bet this kind of thing happens so often in EP that the old sci-fi trope of 'mysterious warnings appear in your workspace, turn out to be from an earlier version of you' is old hat, and there're now expensive software packages designed to pass automatically censored, heavily encrypted messages to your next self in case of restore. You know, like the torpor journals vampires keep in V:tR.
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