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teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

cowofwar posted:

And honestly, 30gigs of bandwidth is laughable in this day and age.
"The average user doesn't need more than that."

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teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

His profile says Dublin.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Time to quit the internet

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

I have to say, the speeds offered by the majors has ZERO influence on me. The total transfer allowed is the only thing that matters now. Yeah I download a lot, but 500 KB/sec is seriously fine. I browse fast and have very low latency in games. Downloads come when they come. I don't NEED super-right-now-this-instant gratification. And even still, it's like 10 minutes for 350 MB. I buy my Steam games, and I have them all downloaded in the morning.

Speaking of game downloads, I just spent 10 GB on PSN demos last night. It's like demos would no longer even be free with Bell or Rogers. I think the last GT5 patch was over 600 MB.

All this clamping down on bandwidth is coming at a time where it's easy to legitimately hit the caps with digital distribution, NetFlix & YouTube. Even my iTunes downloads are significant traffic some months.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Fricking FEAR was a 16 GB download heh.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

less than three posted:

So my outrage has been noticed and CBC Marketplace asked me to do a TV interview tomorrow. :ohdear:
Please talk about how the caps are insulting to legitimate traffic, like Netflix (maybe even mention that it seems awfully like anti-competitive behaviour), but also digital distribution like Steam and PSN. (I have no idea what downloads are like on XBLA.)

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Trying to grab everything I own from Steam/PSN/GOG before anything happens. Christ, 24 GB just for Dragon Age.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Familys and roommate situations can easily push the bandwidth usage up. Okay, all five of us each need our own connection now!

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Cheap being quite the relative term. They're going to have to pry my apparently infinite cap, $36/mth Teksavvy internet from my cold dead hands.

(I've gone WAY over the 200 GB cap without a word nor fee)

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

I'm on the DSL version. They have an online tool which used to work, but it seems to be broken the vast majority of the time.

I need to figure out how to measure bandwidth by port or connected device or what. It would be nice to know how much I'm using vs. my roommates watching Netflix 24/7. (I don't have a problem with them doing it, but I need data for when I'm finally capped.)

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Will that RFlow collector thing in DD-WRT allow me to monitor bandwidth by connected device? I'd like to know before I go through all the effort of setting it up, because just putting DD-WRT on there messed up things like iPad Netflix. Back to Tomato for now...

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

It means they can charge resellers up to 15% less than they charge their own retail customers.

So basically we're hosed. Resellers have to mark it up to cover their own costs, never mind have some kind of profit. All pricing will be similar to Bell & Rogers'.

edit: Is this saying the new rates take effect March 1st? Why am I having so much trouble comprehending the document?

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jan 25, 2011

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

The joke is it says "similar service." Since they're so focused on bandwidth, it'll end up meaning that TekSavvy customers will pay as much as Bell ones for GB transferred, but at 1/10 the speed.

edit: Canadian Radio and Telecommunications Comedy

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jan 25, 2011

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/crtc-issues-small-isps-discount-on-usage-based-billing-fees/article1882339/

The journalist that wrote this is ridiculous. The small ISPs are getting a 15% discount! The CRTC is so generous!!

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

The Globe has reversed it's misinformed, idiot position from yesterday:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/usage-based-internet-ruling-draws-fire/article1882339/

They now recognise the negative effect on legitimate services though they don't explicitly understand how stupid the "discount" is.

What scares me is this, though it could still be bad journalism:

quote:

Large providers have long argued that network space, especially in wireless, is scarce and hence valuable in a world where everyone is streaming or downloading bandwidth-intensive video.

...could you imagine if they convinced the CRTC using "wireless saturation" as a rationale for bandwidth caps and metering?

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jan 26, 2011

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Viktor posted:

Looks like Bell Canada has all the rates up: http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpInt_Access.page
:lol:

So I'm paying $30/mth for effectively unlimited but nominally 200 GB, afterward I can get 25 GB for $32/mth, woooooooooooo!!

I can reduce my usage drastically, but the main thing is that I live with two other people and we all watch completely different TV hah. At least I've downloaded all my Steam stuff with insanely large installs now.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Netflix probably carries more Canadian content proportionally than any other media company in Canada besides the CBC. (Because it's what's easiest for them to get rights to.)

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

I might actually save money for a few months and get vastly faster speeds. Going to switch from Teksavvy DSL to Teksavvy Cable, which thankfully exists where I live. I'll pay a slight premium for the 10 MBPS service and then cancel the home phone.

I'm tempted to keep my DSL for a while because the cap really is unlimited, but I may as well switch over ASAP in case there's a rush.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Scylla posted:

I spoke to a Teksavvy sales rep a few moments ago, and she told me that they wouldn't have DSL Unlimited anymore, even for current subscribers (which is what I have).

If that comes true, I'll either switch to Teksavvy Cable or a DSL Business account (if they offer unlimited plans).
Of course it's changing, that's the whole point of this thread. I just meant before the deadline, it's unlimited for now. They apparently can't even track usage properly with Bell for some reason at the moment.

I'm going to pre-emptively switch to TekSavvy Cable though so I don't have to worry about it or get stuck in a rush of customers, but I suspect then my 200 GB cap will actually be enforced.

And then some time in the summer UBB will hit cable too, but at least Rogers actually provides some speed to resellers, unlike Bell.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Good point. And it's probably already successful. Come on, 75 GB is totally more than enough for everybody. Stop downloading porn. And games (that you paid for). Buy Linux on a disc. Don't work from home. Don't watch TV without a Telecom-Approved cable or satellite connection. Don't have roommates or kids, or alternatively, each house-occupant should have their own internet connection.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

priznat posted:

I think it's actually a plot by zip.ca to keep their lovely mailed DVD subscriptions viable.
What makes it lovely? We were about to subscribe as a result. My friends who've used it loved it.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

You hit the nail on the head there. The whole situation is ludicrous.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

And Australia is 7.6 million square KM, also much of it uninhabited. What's your point, Nitr0?

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

A "grandfathered user" is someone that's been a continuous user on the same line since Feb. 1, 2007, holy gently caress. I've moved since then :(

Guess there's no loss in me moving to cable ASAP. That document is awfully confusing though with all the options. I can't believe what a clusterfuck this situation is.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Unsurprisingly I get a busy signal trying to call TekSavvy to switch to cable. Even when Rogers goes UBB, at least it'll be faster/better service than the DSL. Hopefully the pricing will be somewhat sane.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

43 minute hold queue after finally getting through to TekSavvy.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Bonzo posted:

^^^^ In their defense, that's not usually how long it takes. I assume everyone is calling today since the email went out of Saturday.
Oh I'm not complaining. Just warning others. Apparently there's also a cable outage in Toronto they mention when you first connect.

Usually I never have to wait, and the person that answers solves the issue.

edit:

Anyway it's done, and I may have cable in as little as a week. I'm excited to go from 5M service to 8M, hah.

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jan 31, 2011

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

kuddles posted:

And as a surprise to nobody, the National Post editorial team is taking the stance that this will effect nobody, that we're all a bunch of whiners, and that Bell is only charging what it needs to in order to survive, as determined through their heavy research of asking a Bell spokesperson about it.
That's a pretty revolting article, but at least this one guy seems to have a better understanding, or at least better at balancing it:

http://business.financialpost.com/2011/02/02/crtc-chief-to-testify-before-parliament/

He's probably also the only one writing about it there under 30. He even mentions Steam.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Not everyone at the Post is a ridiculous old fuddieduddie, i.e. Jameson Berkow seems to have a clue. But Andrew Coyne sure doesn't know when to call it a day, sheesh.

edit: ^^ holy gently caress the "shareholder" in that video was an ignorant assclown. Unbelievable.

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Feb 3, 2011

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

You can switch to TekSavvy Cable when it's offered in your area for higher than 5mbit.

I still think the speed is reasonable, but whatever.

But yeah, if the Tories had supported the CRTC decision, they'd have lost the entire next generation of voters.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Moist von Lipwig posted:

Ughhhh, I'm getting interviewed for a CBC piece on the UBB issue. Anyone have any soundbites that wouldn't make me sound like an idiot on :siren:National Television:siren:.... :sigh:
You should make it clear that they greatly exaggerated their costs, and this policy would have given Canada the most expensive internet access in the entire world. Anyone have the recent numbers/charts handy?

You could repeat that image too just explaining that it would now be cheaper and faster to courier hard drives around the country.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

For all the crap we've given Finckenstein, he was one of the judges responsible for upholding that uploading music to the internet isn't a violation of Canadian copyright law (according to Wikipedia):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_von_Finckenstein

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

The interviewer perpetuated the strange fallacy where they make it sound like the independent ISPs just use Bell or Rogers' infrastructure for free. Not with bandwidth, but for maintenance and support of it.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

XYZ posted:

So I guess I should wait until March to switch to TekSavvy cable?
Is there anything wrong with your current DSL service? I switched now when I didn't think there was much chance of UBB being overturned, and before I figured there would be a massive rush.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

My 'real-world performance' in downtown Toronto is that I download at 500 KB/sec and upload at 60.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Powershift posted:

http://www.financialpost.com/news/usage/4221725/story.html

This Mirko Bibic chap from the financial post seems trustworthy.

Honestly this is the most disgusting thing I've seen in the debate thus far.

And I used to unabashedly love the National Post.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

less than three posted:

He's an executive at Bell, literally.
I'm pretty sure he knew that judging from his manner of speaking, and the fact that it says so at the bottom of the article. ;)

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

I don't believe anyone was arguing against that either?

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

pixfix posted:

I live in an apartment building (going to college atm) and all I can use is Rogers. It loving blows because I can't stand them.

Buddy was telling me today that TekSaavy now has a cable service, which I want, because of unlimited internet and non of this overcharge poo poo. Unfortunately it is only in Toronto and they can't expand because there are no more IPv4 addresses to use. :(
Many of my Ottawa friends apparently qualified as of this week.

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teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

This Rocky Gaudrault looks like a trustworthy fellow :rolleyes:

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/02/07/internet-usage-debate-the-real-myths/

Well thank you Post for finally printing some rebuttal, but notice how completely differently the article is framed.

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