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8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

drcru posted:

Can we call him... the Burger King?


Just to reinforce Burger's excellence, behold this angry super slam from him in the comments section of this horrible Financial Post article:
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/02/01/terence-corcoran-billing-reversal-would-be-bad-policy/

quote:

Hello Terry,

When I submitted the piece that you refused to print providing a different point of view about internet service regulation than that expressed by you and John Fund, I was not involved with TekSavvy. I am now. I am calling you out. You have absoilutely no leg to stand on intellectually and I challenge you to put your reputation where your mouth is. I will take you on anytime anyplace to debate this issue and show you up to be either a Bell lackey or a blinkered free market automaton who learned nothing from the near-crash of 2008. Step up or shut up.

To be fair, here is a link to my "debate" with Kevin O'Leary tonight. I used him, and I will use you.But I thought I would give you a bit of a head's up. You will need it.

tinyurl.com/4utedqk.

Check it out at the 35 minute mark.

Best regards
George Burger

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8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

jizzpowered posted:

George Burger should be the king of the world.

edit: Is that really him though?

There was disbelief on DSLReports but Rocky from Teksavvy confirmed it.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Nomenklatura posted:

A lot of the reason Bibic isn't effective isn't because of his talking points, but because the man is just...unpleasant. I'm not sure why, I couldn't put it into words, but he doesn't come across well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

kuddles posted:

Also, Rogers probably decided just to wait on the sidelines, and it was probably the right call. If Bell won UBB with the public, then it'll be smooth sailing for Rogers to mimic that. But since it seems to be turning into a PR disaster for them, Rogers isn't directly associated with supporting it.

Honestly I think most of all Rogers is scared to lend any sort of weight to the "duopoly" argument thats been floating around. If they came to the defence of their #1 super friend Bell then it would look bad.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Its still pretty brutal when you factor in the GAS wholesale access charge for the ISPs. Delivering 200gb to a customer, for example, would cost Teksavvy $39 over and above the GAS fees. Its just the same poo poo with a different name, with the individual customer taken out of the equation to torpedo the independent ISPs public support.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Sprawl posted:

Yea those prices are still dumb. I can buy bulk bandwidth at my datacenter for a quarter of that price.

It gets dumber when you realize that Teksavvy will be paying this tax to Bell and then again to their own bandwidth provider.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Sound like a good platform but at this point I really want to see the last mile turned into some sort of non-profit wholesaler.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Who knows, maybe they'll open things up to foreign competition to gently caress over Bell and Rogers.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Nomenklatura posted:

Are their POIs finally up to snuff yet? I keep seeing comments on DSL reports suggesting that Rogers has been dragging their rear end on installing those upgrades.

I believe most of them have been upgraded at this point. Theres a few that haven't but they're being good about stopping new sign ups for those POIs

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Getting mine installed tomorrow. The Rogers installer is going to have all sorts of fun since I live in a 100 year old house that appears to have no cable line at all. Teksavvy said "Rogers has to make it work, even if it means a new line" so we'll see what happens.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

kuddles posted:

I'm sure they are well aware already:



Ugh. This is both great and scary. If there ever was a target for Rogers to get all anti-competitive on, its Teksavvy. I think Rogers is just patiently waiting right now to soak up all the wholesale customers from Bell and then they'll drop the hammer on ultra-strict UBB.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Rogers cable installer showed up, saw that I didn't have a cable box outside my house, shrugged his shoulders and said he wasn't equipped for it, rescheduled, and left.

I left specific instructions about my lack of cable box when I signed up :smith:

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Finally got my Teksavvy cable installed and goddamn is it ever fast compared to the 5meg DSL service. My house didn't have cable at all and true to Teksavvy's word the Rogers installer did run an entirely new cable from the box and installed a drop in my basement.

Speedboost is at play here in this speedtest; most of the time I'm getting a solid 15/1Mbit:

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8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Unf Speeedboost. The drat thing was boosting to 60Mbit during this test:



The upside of living near Woodstock, Ontario I guess. Theres like no one on this POI.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Yes thats essentially correct. I seems to happen for the first Xmb of a transfer and then it settles into 15Mbit speeds. The nice thing about it is that it happens for most HTTP traffic as well, which means even when my connection is completely saturated surfing around is still very snappy. I love it.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

king of lunch posted:

Can you give some more info on the process? I'm currently with Teksavvy DSL, but I'm thinking it would be nice to upgrade to the cable so I can use Netflix on two TVs at the same time, which I can't do now. I don't have cable coming into my house, but I do have one internal line run from the basement to the 2nd floor.

How much does Rogers charge to run a line into your house? Or does Teksavvy just eat that fee?

Before I signed up Teksavvy told me: "Rogers has to make it work. If there isn't cable there or the cable is marginal then they have to install a new drop in order to get you up and running. You won't be charged for it"

True to their word the Rogers tech showed up, saw that I had no cable, and then made an excuse about not having the right equipment. Two days later he was back and ran a new cable from the box to my house. Its now on some backlog to be buried at some point in the future.

He originally wanted to just drill through the wall of the house into my office and put a drop there but I asked that we run the drop in to a splitter near the breaker in the basement to which he was happy to oblige. He even cut me a nice length of cable to make my own run from the basement back up to my office.

One note: The Motorola SB6120 is apparently a great modem but also pretty sensitive. Even with nearly perfect signal with the new run my modem still had about a day or so of cutting out occasionally and being odd. After about 48 hours it stabilized and has been flawless ever since. They "learn" what channels are best.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

fishmech posted:

Why is the upload speed still under a megabit?

because :canada: telecoms are horrible and wont let teksavvy have more

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Interesting that the second set of plans with decent caps require you to subscribe to their television plans. Propping up a dying cable industry with UBB! Hooray!

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
I also have a WNDR3700 and recently sold it to a friend and picked up a WNDR4000. Both are fast, stable, and have great wireless range. Very excellent routers.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

DarkStryke posted:

I don't know about Shaw, but out west in B.C when BCTel released the MMG DSL service in 1998 it was 4mbit / 640 kbit to put things in perspective. I was very close to the telco (less then 1km) so my speeds were as advertized.

Our house was a test house for Rogers Wave cable internet when they first started rolling it out. It was a blazing fast 500kbps powered by a Zenith cable modem. The modem got so hot that it actually melted its casing one day much to the amusement of the Rogers techs.

Still at the time (~1997-98 I think) it was like someone had just given me the keys to a Bugatti Veyron. I'd been on 14.4 dialup before that. This is why this UBB stuff really gets me. Back then Rogers was excited about being able to provide a unlimited hyper fast pipe to the internet right in customers homes.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Lone Rogue posted:

Finally got set up with TekSavvy. Only makes sense since I work there. In three months the 300GB connection becomes free for me :smug:

Are you in support?

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Lone Rogue posted:

No, I'm a Communications specialist. Meaning I found this thread searching for TekSavvy quotes since one of my jobs is to create a database of things said about TekSavvy. Among many.

Can you tell us more about the when and what on the new VOIP service? I'm dying to drop the $40 / month I spend on a Bell home phone line and I'm holding off on voip.ms to see what you guys offer.

Of course my cable modem is resetting every 30 minutes so I guess I have to hope Teksavvy fixes that first.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

The Sweetling posted:

Gonna sound like a scrub but I'll ask anyway: should I install DD-WRT or Tomato even if I don't need all the extra options? Will I notice any speed increases?

In some cases DD-WRT and Tomato can be slower than the stock firmware:
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wire...dd-wrt-reviewed

However in the example above he's using the Mega build and god knows what features are turned on. Generally though you'll want to use something like DD-WRT or Tomato if either the features or stability of the stock firmware isn't very good.

The stock firmware for most of the modern Netgear routers is actually based on OpenWRT and isn't bad even if its sparse on features. With regards to the WNDR3500,3700,4000 etc most report that the performance of the stock firmware is superior. I have a 4000 at home and we're using a 3700 at work and they both do great on the stock firmware. No complaints at all. Netgear has turned things around dramatically.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Only if you're unable to consistently achieve the speeds you're connection is rated for. Try out speedtest.net with nothing else using the internet and see if you router can sustain the speeds.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Lone Rogue posted:

Hope you got your modem fixed.

This is a draft of what's going out in the first TekSavvy newsletter (that I'm happily designing) to employees about our VoIP:

This sounds good. If the pricing is decent then I'm on board.

My modem problem is still ongoing. Its turning into a big debacle with a lot of other people having the same problems.

One question about the VOIP: Can users bring their own ATA boxes? There was talk of Teksavvy requiring some ATA-Cable Modem hybrid.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Brace posted:

Right now I'm browsing Acanac and they've got the exact same plan(download/upload speed) for 20 bucks cheaper and unlimited bandwidth cap. I'm skeptical, because seriously? How can this even be an available option when Rogers is charging me 20 dollars more for 80gigs/month? Someone explain this poo poo to me :smith:

Because Rogers is mandated to allow independent ISPs wholesale access to the network. This is what the big UBB hubbub has been all about : Rogers and Bell want to continue charging outrageous prices for little tiny parcels of bandwidth and they don't want you to be able to go and get a better deal elsewhere. They also want to prop up a dying cable and satellite market while keeping the Netflix boogeyman out of Canada.

That said, Acanac seems to be pretty hit and miss for quality. Prices are great but there seems to be a lot of complaints. Teksavvy is a little more, and they've had their own quality problems recently, but things have gotten a lot better and they're probably the best of the independent ISPs at the moment.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Especially since they appear to be out to screw the independents with low data caps claiming its to relieve congestion while simultaneously offering higher caps to their own customers as a retentions tactic. Its scummy as hell.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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The new prices the CRTC set are atrocious and pretty much force Teksavvy to price identical to Bell with an added $100 install fee just to gently caress potential customers over.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

jizzpowered posted:

Their caps are about triple that of Bell's which is worth the price.

But its not. Bell has just successfully moved the goal posts over and over during this debate. Caps are acceptable now? A $100 install fee to do the same thing they did with the 5meg service is okay now? Higher costs to independent ISPs for faster tiers when all it is on Bell's end is a speed profile change?

Before all of this the independents were getting unrestricted, unthrottled, and unlimited 5meg DSL from Bell for a decent wholesale price of around $26 per subscriber, and it was expected that they'd get a similar deal with the new speeds. Look where Bell has taken the debate now and what the CRTC is settling for. Its appalling.

8ender fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jul 14, 2011

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

jizzpowered posted:

I never said it's alright but I'd rather give my money to a company that's actually fighting for it's customer and not trying to gouge them. If they are the same price why would I not go for the higher cap and better company.

100 is a lot but Bell will charge you around 40 anyways to set up your account. Bell hasn't taken the debate anywhere they are getting hammered from every direction right now, even Telus is saying UBB serves no purpose and is not needed. If the CRTC rules against AVP and UBB then you'll start to see unlimited internet again offered by the smaller ISP's.

No I agree and I currently use Teksavvy. What I'm saying is that these things didn't exist before all of this started and Bell has been really successful even if they do look bad in the debates because now they do.

Its death by a thousand little CRTC rulings and with these new speeds and prices the independents are now forced to price parity with Bell for their packages. If UBB/AVP goes through then they're going to be stuck with similar caps as well. This is exactly what Bell set out to do: eliminate independents by removing their ability to differentiate their offerings. Regardless of how the debates are going its hard to say that Bell hasn't succeeded so far.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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Dudebro posted:

It's Distributel. I've always thought that cogeco owned the lines in my area though.

I may be completely off base on this but wait a while and this might change. I think Cogeco is the cable co that were being big dicks about the wording of the original TPIA CRTC ruling and only allowing the independents 100Mbit connections at each POI. If Distributel is actually bothering with 100Mbit connections then they could get saturated real quick. The newer ruling fixes this and Teksavvy, Acanac, etc all have plans to move into Cogeco once the dust settles.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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Honestly I wish these hearings were about spinning off and regulating the last mile as a non-profit wholesaler and not just how much or how little the incumbents can gently caress the independents. That was the right answer but so many concessions have been made against the independents at this point that its not even a discussion point anymore, and the opponents of UBB are just doing damage control.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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less than three posted:

Because there's no extra revenue in that, which UBB/AVP is actually about.

Also Bell hasn't even been able to give a straight answer on where exactly the congestion is, or more importantly, why the wholesaler fees they've been raking in for years aren't being used to build out infrastructure to support the traffic from wholesalers.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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Any details on the Primus proposal? I haven't really dug into it

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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Squibbles posted:

Teksavvy uses the same line as shaw so the speeds should be identical in theory.

Speeds should be the same but it is limited by how much capacity Teksavvy puts at your POI. They've been having some saturation problems at the Toronto area POIs lately and are pretty much adding capacity as fast as possible due to unprecedented demand for cable.

I'm personally on the dusty, lonely Woodstock, ON POI and my speeds are incredible. Speedboosts to 60Mbit are not uncommon.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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As a side benefit TPIA cable customers (such as Teksavvy) are getting the speed boosts for free and we keep our giant caps for now. My 15/1 is hopefully turning into 24/1. Still hilariously slow upload but I'll take a free speed increase any day.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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Sprawl posted:

Teksavvy has so many issues outside of being incompetent and not having tech thats it not even worth bothering.

They really are hamstrung by having to work with Bell and Rogers.

For example Rogers just accidentally pushed out a firmware update to most Teksavvy customers with a SB6120 cable modem. Not just any firmware update though, a three year old firmware that even Motorola has said under no circumstances should be used anymore. This firmware is so broken that peoples modems immediately started regularly rebooting every 15-30 minutes.

So Rogers comes back and sends out a "fix" firmware, which is the latest, to "all" of the affected modems and declares the problem solved. However its immediately apparent that not all the customers got the fixed firmware, and now they're chasing Rogers down on a case by case basis with MAC addresses of affected modems to get them updated.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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Martytoof posted:

Here's how I imagine this going down:

Rogers: "Throttling won't affect games because [some pseudo-technical babble]"
CRTC: "OK! :thumbsup:"

Rogers: "We need to charge the wholesale ISPs more to pay to upgrade this garbage throttling equipment!"
CRTC: "OK! :thumbsup:"

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

less than three posted:

I did. My MP is Libby Davies though so she was already well aware of it.

My MP is Dave MacKenzie and he couldn't give a poo poo about anything that isn't related to farming :(

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8ender
Sep 24, 2003

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teethgrinder posted:

Not free, but I'm really happy with usvideo.org. Almost done watching all of TOS :D

holy poo poo thanks for this. when I set it up at the router level its completely transparent to everything in my house

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