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BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Lightning Lord posted:

There's a weird disconnect between the more strident enthusiasts of popular genre literature and artistic literature that just isn't present in any other medium, or at least that's what I've seen. A gulf that just can't seem to be crossed.

The reason for this, I suspect, is that literature is the "easiest" form of art in that most anybody with a computer (or typewriter) can sit down and hack out a work of literature. But music, cinema, painting, etc., can demand extensive training and resources. The demands of project management can guarantee that there's more genuine craftsmanship involved. Artists in other mediums are better able to pool their talents together, and are mire likely to be familiar with the "higher" forms of their mediums because of their education. Thus there's no similar gulf in quality between "popular" and "artistic" works in other mediums.

BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Sep 6, 2017

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BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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The phrase you're thinking of is 'financially successful'.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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"Genre fiction" is an almost entirely modern development despite those kind of false equivocations. It's easily dismissed simply by noting that it's actually impossible to name the "genres" that Chaucer and Dickens wrote in.

BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Sep 6, 2017

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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ME at least isn't difficult as long as there's annotations.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Here's a source for MIddle English texts, which includes a lot of shorter texts if you want to practice reading, with introductions by researcher and notes on the text.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Lyon posted:

Post a link in here when it goes up.

:siren: Here's the link for the new thread for trashing genre books.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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ShinsoBEAM! posted:

YA but for adults

That's a profound burn.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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quote:

In Seth Dickinson's highly-anticipated debut The Traitor Baru Cormorant, a young woman from a conquered people tries to transform an empire in this richly imagined geopolitical fantasy.

Baru Cormorant believes any price is worth paying to liberate her people-even her soul.

When the Empire of Masks conquers her island home, overwrites her culture, criminalizes her customs, and murders one of her fathers, Baru vows to swallow her hate, join the Empire's civil service, and claw her way high enough to set her people free.

Sent as an Imperial agent to distant Aurdwynn, another conquered country, Baru discovers it's on the brink of rebellion. Drawn by the intriguing duchess Tain Hu into a circle of seditious dukes, Baru may be able to use her position to help. As she pursues a precarious balance between the rebels and a shadowy cabal within the Empire, she orchestrates a do-or-die gambit with freedom as the prize.

But the cost of winning the long game of saving her people may be far greater than Baru imagines.

Sounds like absolute drivel.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Was there ever a weaker defence of a novel than "well it's not that book you like, so obviously you'll say it's bad"?

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Corky Romanovsky posted:

That wasn't a critique of the book, moron.

:crossarms: What are you talking about? I was talking about Ccs's post about Traitor Batu Cormorant.

I'm not sure what you're actually trying to accomplish here, really.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Oh by the way, I made this at a suggestion in another thread, and I never posted it here!

quote:

This Troper's name is Kvothe, pronounced nearly the same as “Quothe.” Names are important as they tell you a great deal about a person. This Troper has had more names than anyone has a right to.

The Adem call him Maedre. Which, depending on how it’s spoken, can mean “The Flame,” “The Thunder,” or “The Broken Tree.”

“The Flame” is obvious if you’ve ever seen This Troper. He has red hair, bright. If he had been born a couple hundred years ago he would probably have been burned as a demon. This Troper keeps it short but it’s unruly. When left to its own devices, it sticks up and makes him look as if he has been set afire.

“The Thunder” he attributes to a strong baritone and a great deal of stage training at an early age.

This Troper has never thought of “The Broken Tree” as very significant. Although in retrospect he supposes it could be considered at least partially prophetic.

His first mentor called him E’lir because he was clever and he knew it. His first real lover called him Dulator because she liked the sound of it. He has been called Shadicar, Lightfinger, and Six-String. He has been called Kvothe the Bloodless, Kvothe the Arcane, and Kvothe Kingkiller. He has earned those names. Bought and paid for them.

But This Troper was brought up as Kvothe. His father once told him it meant “to know.”

He has, of course, been called many other things. Most of them uncouth, although very few were unearned.

He has stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. He burned down the town of Trebon. He has spent the night with Felurian and left with both his sanity and his life. He was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. He treads paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. He has talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of This Troper.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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“No one writes about economic reality within this genre like Pat Rothfuss. The real-world weight of the sometimes impossible distance between the things you want and need and what you have in your pocket.

No one writes about music like Pat Rothfuss. The way it sneaks into your soul, the way it feeds you like nothing else.

No one writes about stories like pat Rothfuss. How the right story at the right time can change the world, how the teller can shape a life.

No one writes like Pat Rothfuss. Full stop. Read this book.”

- Lin-Manuel Miranda'

I can see why this MIranda guy is some kind of deity to liberal nerds.

BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Oct 5, 2017

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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If it hasn't been finished by now, it won't be published next year. It's absolutely delightful that fans suffer because of it.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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They'll come to light eventually - unlike book 3.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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When the technical difficulties subside, please change the thread title to

"Nobody writes like Pat Rothfuss."

or

"The chord went minor... as if the lute were saying SAD." - Rothfuss

BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Oct 7, 2017

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Is there anyone left in this thread who

1) actually likes rothfuss, and

2) is willing to make a new thread

I'll make ir, since I'm the workd's biggest Rothfuss fan.

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BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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Here's the new thread! I have all the stuff from here archived, so don't worry about that.

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