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Chaglby posted:When this book first came out, I picked it up off the shelf to read a few pages. Based on the intro, I thought it seemed pretty horrible. Now that I know a bit more about the book from these forums, I will most likely never give it a shot. I have no interest in reading a book that makes me roll my eyes every page. Dude, really? "I read a few pages of the intro and decided I hate the entire book. Why do all of you people like a book that I haven't rea?."
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keiran_helcyan posted:Thought I'd check out Rothfuss' blog to see if he had any info on the upcoming novel and of course the top post was a detailed 3 page argument on the evils of circumcision. He truly is an alpha internet nerd. Wait, which blog is that? I usually go to http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/ and I'm not seeing anything circumcision related at the moment, just a poo poo load of fundraising stuff.
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Dec 3, 2010 23:30
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King Crab posted:He's a kid, dude. Kids do stupid things sometimes and then claim that they know everything. That is what happens when you are young. And he also does do things that demonstrate that he is very talented: earn his pipes on his first try with a broken instrument, gain admission and get the University to pay HIM tuition at an extremely young age, convince the faculty that he shouldn't be bothered to take beginners classes, KILL A DRAGON.
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http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/12/worth-waiting-for-patrick-rothfusss-the-wise-mans-fear Hey, book 2 is actually done and getting reviewed. Weird.
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Dramatika posted:I follow Brandon Sanderson on Facebook, and he just got his ARC of Wise Man's Fear in today. Apparently it weighs in at 1100 pages, 100 pages longer than Way of Kings. Jesus Christ. Wow, Rothfuss wasn't kidding around about it being longer. Looking forward to getting my copy!
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Jan 17, 2011 22:31
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Eunabomber posted:Supposedly he has not even turned in a final manuscript, so keep hoping:( Aww, man, I thought the final had been turned in. drat it.
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Jan 20, 2011 23:19
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Ferrosol posted:Both books are well worth a read though, as long as you do not mind constant flashbacks and a bit of purple prose. And I must say the way they deal with the Bondsmagi at the end of the first book is awesome "Nice bird, rear end in a top hat."
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Jan 21, 2011 16:37
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Early reviews of Wise Man's Fear are coming in, and are very positive so far: http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-7564-0473-4 quote:This breathtakingly epic story is heartrending in its intimacy and masterful in its narrative essence, and will leave fans waiting on tenterhooks for the final installment. http://sf-fantasy.suvudu.com/2011/02/review-the-wise-mans-fear-by-patrick-rothfuss.html quote:I have finished The Wise Man’s Fear by Patrick Rothfuss. http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/12/worth-waiting-for-patrick-rothfusss-the-wise-mans-fear quote:The Wise Man's Fear was worth waiting for. It's about as good as this kind of fantasy can possibly get. The only review with more than slightly negative comments (and which was still overall positive) I've seen is from GRRM's bff at Pat's Fantasy Hotlist. http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/2011/01/wise-mans-fear.html quote:It's also been said that a more sexually active Kvothe was sort of a wish fulfillment thing on Rothfuss' part. It's been compared to that of Guy Gavriel Kay with bearded characters. Keeping that in mind as I read along, I would have to agree on this. For a redhead male, Kvothe sure gets an inordinate amount of action in The Wise Man's Fear. And if you had trouble believing that Archie could have both Betty and Veronica, you may raise an eyebrow on more than one occasion in this second volume. Having said that, it's simply something that will make you smirk from time to time, and it doesn't take anything away from the reading experience.
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Feb 10, 2011 21:29
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http://www.tor.com/stories/2011/02/excerpt-the-wise-mans-fear-by-patrick-rothfuss Tor just spammed me with a link to an excerpt. Enjoy.
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Feb 17, 2011 21:19
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Evfedu posted:It's flawed as all get-out but it's so enjoyable in spite of it. Give it a go, if nothing else the first book is a breeze of a read. It really depends on what you are looking for. Its more like eating some really good chocolate cake than it is like eating a really well prepared steak.
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Feb 21, 2011 15:40
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Benson Cunningham posted:Also, Bast is a useless loving character. Since he exists in the present day, we are to believe the things he says are exactly what he says. I think I would be sold on Kvothe as an unreliable narrator if Bast, at least once, was like, "You told that story differently like two weeks ago man." I thought the whole point of the epiloge, with Bast basically threatening to murder Chronicler, was that Bast doesn't care if the story is "true" or not (and actually prefers the story to be less than true in certain respects), but that Bast wants Kvothe to tell a story that makes Kvothe feel better about himself so that he'll stop being a whiny puss and get back to being an awesome magician. Also re: Denna I wouldn't be super suprised if it turns out she was Speculation Spoiler one of the Chandrian or at least an agent of the Chandrian.
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Feb 23, 2011 00:59
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Another very positive review here although I have no idea if this is a credible source. quote:In The Wise Man’s Fear, Kvothe—musician, magician, thief and more—continues to tell the story of his quest to learn more about a group of beings known as the Chandrian (or the Seven) who slaughtered his family when he was still a child. With his second book, Rothfuss proves that his initial success was no fluke. Though in itself longer than many trilogies, The Wise Man’s Fear carries the reader along just as swiftly as its predecessor.
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Feb 27, 2011 18:47
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Got my shipping notice last night, very pumped. e: drat it, my book is in Hodgkins Illinois. No way it gets to my house in Milwaukee before tomorrow. 
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Feb 28, 2011 16:05
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Grawl posted:I read the first book when it came out, and since then I haven't really thought about this book until I saw the second part came out. Could someone post the important points in the story of the first book? I'd rather want to start with the second book instead of re-reading the first one. Here you go: onefish posted:Rothfuss put up a summary of Name of the Wind in cartoon form for those who don't want to reread the book before the sequel, but need some kind of memory refresher: http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2011/02/our-story-thus-far/
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Mar 2, 2011 00:30
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I got through the Felurian section last night. It is way too long and very weird. However if that is the price that must be paid for the oracle tree I think it is balanced out. I'm not "only" concerned with the Chandrian, and the above cited section aside I've enjoyed the writing, so I'm enjoying seeing more about how the world works. All in all I'm also liking that Kvothe is shown loving things up because he is such an overpowered rear end in a top hat who doesn't think through the consequences of his actions.
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I finished it last night. I quite liked it, Felurian aside. I feel like it expanded the world and the consequences of Kvothe's actions to the point where he isn't just fighting Ambrose and getting whipped but is killing dozens of dudes, having a profound impact on politics, actively encouraging the spread of his own legend although there didn't seem to be a particular narrative arc, and the story just kind of winds down at the end. All that said I understand alot of the problems that folks have with Rothfuss' writing style, themes and overall approach to sex. I think the way he approaches some of these things and the "bitter-sweet" tone of the book is attributable to the scope of the influence that Whedonism is having on, for lack of a better word, nerd culture. That can be a good thing, but it can also be a gigglesquee-OMNOMNOM-bad thing. (see the Dragon Age 2 thread in games for more evidence). Rothfuss loves Whedon, and it shows, but Whedon's own work has some weird themes when it comes to love and sex. Buffy turns her true love into a soulless monster by sleeping with him. One of the main characters in later seasons was a demon whose whole schtick was punishing unfaithful lovers. Not sure how spergy that is of me to know, but there it is.
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Mar 4, 2011 16:15
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Lyon posted:
I think you are on to something. Not only do we know from the last book that he has trouble doing sympathy now, right after he finishes a huge section describing his training and skills as a hand-to-hand fighter, he gets his rear end handed to him by 1 random soldier. Plus, very early in the book, he can't figure out what to call the apple pulp, whereas one of his inherent abilities seems to have been unconciously knowing the true name for things. Somebody figured out his true name and used it against him.
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Mar 4, 2011 19:09
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Lyon posted:I'm not disagreeing with that, I think he caused some major damage to his friends, Denna, the world, or something and may have changed his name without realizing it or as a punishment someone changed his name on him. His inability to perform magic well, fight, etc leads me to believe his name was changed. I'll take wild guesses at how/why but I'm sticking with his true name was changed somehow which has caused him to lose a lot of his power. I think he'll regain it in the next book, I bet we're a lot closer to the story than we're supposed to think and half of the book will be the past, and the rest will be the present. I wouldn't be suprised if at least some portion of the next book goes from being the autobiography of Kvothe to Chronicler's historical account of events that he witnesses going forward.
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hot pants posted:This ain't being spoilered, but Manet is the biggest self-insertion character ever. Haha, you are absolutely right.
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Mar 5, 2011 16:49
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Tsvi posted:Just finished this morning. I'm pretty sure that by the end of WMF, Kvothe is a bit older than 17. Isn't there some section about how time passes differently in Fae? He spent a few months there, which probably aged him quite a bit.
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Mar 6, 2011 18:35
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A really long dual interview / conversation between Rothfuss and author-bot Brandon Sanderson can be found here featuring this quote about Book 3:Pat Rothfuss posted:Here's the deal: Lots of interesting stuff from both writers. Bizob fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 17, 2011 |
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Mar 17, 2011 17:18
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onefish posted:Not to completely derail the making-fun-of-Rothuss train, but there's a really cool speculation post up at Tor.com from Jo Walton, rounding up analysis and deductions from several sources. Lots of spoilers, obviously. Holy poo poo, there is alot of very interesting stuff in there. Particularly the very simple interpretation of the lovely song Kvothe's dad wrote. So simple.
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Mar 17, 2011 23:40
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The Gunslinger posted:I think I'm getting off the train at this stop unfortunately. I finished the book and while I love his prose the story doesn't seem to be going anywhere. By the end of book 2 in a trilogy with these kinds of page counts I would expect to have some proper idea where we're headed. Despite his claims to the contrary this doesn't seem to be planned out in the slightest, WMF felt like he just threw everything at the wall to see what would stick. It's a shame because I love his style of writing but the seemingly directionless story is putting me to sleep. Says the poster with a Dark Tower avatar. (I kid, I kid) I can see where you are coming from, I just think this wasn't intended as an "epic" in the sense that most fantasy series are.
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Mar 21, 2011 16:43
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Mahlertov Cocktail posted:The loose ends of the frame story don't necessarily have to get resolved in the space of the third book, and if he had to rush it, I'd honestly rather he just finish Kvothe's character arc. If he wants to continue the present-day story then he should write another series. I think the Kvothe character arc is all he ever intended to finish, and I doubt he will confront / kill the Chandrian. He might learn about them, but I wouldn't be shocked if they hand him his rear end and the moral of the story ends up being "even insanely gifted and intellegent savants are no match for 5000 year old creatures of legend and unfathomable power."
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Mar 23, 2011 16:19
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Grawl posted:at what point did Kvothe become a hostile bastard who liked to murder people? You'd think he just learned to control his inner anger with all the experience he gained. I think that had less to do with his inner anger than it did with those particular people and what they were doing.
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May 19, 2011 20:30
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Sophia posted:In Rothfuss' books, the women that are not seen as "special" are given agency and intelligence and non-devastating flaws just like any other ancillary character. The problem comes into a true love interest character like Denna who is treated most disgustingly by both author and character. This is exacerbated by the fact that in society right now, hating women is not considered acceptable but idealizing them still is, and that goons are among the worst offenders of this "acceptable" misogyny which is maybe why it gets so much discussion around here. The only thing I really disagree with in your post is the argument that Denna is portrayed as flawless. I think Kvothe sees her that way, but the way she acts in the novels is generally TERRIBLE. She basically uses a series of dudes, is a practiced liar, and has some kind of horrible secret in her past.
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Ornamented Death posted:You know what? No. It's not that unbelievable. Look at how advanced America is, and then look at some of the batshit crazy things people still believe. Rothfuss makes a lot of dumb mistakes in his writing, but having an "advanced" civilization have some silly, backwards beliefs is not one of them. He's just writing from his own experiences. Keep in mind that he lives in rural Wisconsin.
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May 31, 2012 19:32
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Ornamented Death posted:Which only really strengthens my point Yeah, exactly.
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Ornamented Death posted:I think this has been the plan all along, honestly. The frame story is about a historian searching for the truth behind the legend of Kvothe and finding it. Once Kvothe finishes telling that story, the Kingkiller Trilogy itself is essentially over and ready to move on to the Kvothe Saves the World trilogy or whatever. He'll probably accomplish making a boatload of money, and given his apparent focus on the importance of making money my guess is he'll be ok with that.
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Hughlander posted:Given he's teaching english at a state school with less than 10k students, I'd say his focus is not making money. Otherwise he'd be writing full time. Steven King in the 80s was focused on making money, compare the output of the two. Stephen King was on a TON of coke during the 80s, which at least partially explains is output then.
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