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I remember Mexican-built Jettas being pretty horrible.
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A bigger issue is that this will be the first year these cars are build in new facilities, more than the fact that said facilities are in Mexico. The dealers are the big problem in my view. The service my mother got when she had her 300M was literally dishonest in many instances, but Chrysler Canada always backed the dealer against the customer, so why would you want to do this to yourself? And keep in mind, I always thought the car was very good, but the whole experience was ruined by having to deal with crooks.
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Nov 23, 2010 23:50
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Soooo....do the servicing yourself.
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Nov 24, 2010 00:00
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InterceptorV8 posted:Really, this is great. I need to start saving money and going on a diet, because if I can get into one of these at the price listed, I might have to buy a car right off the lot. Another Fiat 500 in a Lupin movie? 
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Nov 24, 2010 00:27
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Autism Sundae posted:I remember Mexican-built Jettas being pretty horrible. I thought MKIV Jettas in the US were built in Brazil?
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Nov 24, 2010 00:49
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The last generation Fusion (witht he Aisin/Toyota trans) was pretty much the most reliable car you could buy on the market. The only problem with the new Fusion is a software issue with the new Ford/GM trans that affected a small number of cars within a narrow range of build dates, and there's already a TSB for it. This has nothing to do with Mexico. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that cars built in Mexico are of poor quality. ALL the common problems of the Jetta from 2 generations ago can be attributed to shoddy GERMAN parts and/or design. This is hardly surprising since most VW/Audi cars built in Germany are also (mostly) shoddily built garbage. The entire meme originates from racist American VW fanboys who need to blame browns for all their problems. Besides, I've had unreliable cars my whole life. I worry about reliability like the English worry about the weather being too moist.
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Nov 24, 2010 01:01
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Throatwarbler posted:This is hardly surprising since most VW/Audi cars built in Germany are also (mostly) shoddily built garbage. The entire meme originates from racist American VW fanboys who need to blame browns for all their problems. As opposed to the stellar quality of most American cars built over the past decade or so?
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Nov 24, 2010 02:12
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There aren't any quality problems with Ford cars coming from Mexico, nor GM engines. DJ Commie fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Nov 24, 2010 |
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Nov 24, 2010 02:16
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Sometimes I wonder if Chrysler is ashamed of this car. The first time I saw one was at the DC auto show this year. They had two of them on display, but instead of having them out in the middle making some kind of statement like, you know, "Check this out! We're going to be bringing out fun, cool small cars!", they had them shoved way in the back behind an endless sea of Bland. Although they did have a couple booth babes on the platform, so I guess they were trying to drum up some interest.
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Nov 24, 2010 02:21
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Autism Sundae posted:As opposed to the stellar quality of most American cars built over the past decade or so? Many of those were built in Canada, so I think we know who the real culprit for crappy cars is here.
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Nov 24, 2010 02:23
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Detroit Q. Spider posted:Many of those were built in Canada, so I think we know who the real culprit for crappy cars is here. Hey, I'd like to see you build a car with ice all over your tools  
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Nov 24, 2010 02:33
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echoplex posted:Why would you own an automatic 500? You're paraplegic. Hey, at least the manual is the standard transmission. That counts for something. Presto posted:Sometimes I wonder if Chrysler is ashamed of this car. The first time I saw one was at the DC auto show this year. They had two of them on display, but instead of having them out in the middle making some kind of statement like, you know, "Check this out! We're going to be bringing out fun, cool small cars!", they had them shoved way in the back behind an endless sea of Bland. "Not Invented Here" VideoTapir fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Nov 24, 2010 |
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Nov 24, 2010 02:55
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Soooo....do the servicing yourself. I wonder... would the only easy to get English factory manuals be for RHD British models?
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Nov 24, 2010 06:17
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Throatwarbler posted:The entire meme originates from racist American VW fanboys who need to blame browns for all their problems. I'm pretty sure it originated in the age of air-cooled VWs.
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Nov 24, 2010 06:44
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Presto posted:Sometimes I wonder if Chrysler is ashamed of this car. The first time I saw one was at the DC auto show this year. They had two of them on display, but instead of having them out in the middle making some kind of statement like, you know, "Check this out! We're going to be bringing out fun, cool small cars!", they had them shoved way in the back behind an endless sea of Bland. Whenever I'm at an autocross event, there is literally zero Chrysler cars present. There's all of the major players, but never Chrysler. Chrysler is in the market to appealing to nobody. Outside of the Viper, there is literally no Chrysler product that I would want to drive, let alone own.
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Nov 24, 2010 06:51
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No Neons, even?
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Nov 24, 2010 07:04
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mobby_6kl posted:I think the European 500s are being built in Poland, so really, how much worse could this be?
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Nov 24, 2010 08:10
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mod sassinator posted:I like it and I think a lot of people who would be looking at a Mini Cooper will like it too.
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Nov 24, 2010 08:13
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Presto posted:Sometimes I wonder if Chrysler is ashamed of this car. It's something that people have wanted for years now. Chrysler doesn't know how to deal with this...
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Nov 24, 2010 08:32
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VideoTapir posted:No Neons, even? First gen Neon ACR 
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Nov 24, 2010 09:01
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el topo posted:It's something that people have wanted for years now. Chrysler doesn't know how to deal with this... Hey, they had that with the Challenger, and to some extent the PT Cruiser. But...yeah, its been a little while.
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Nov 24, 2010 09:05
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VideoTapir posted:Hey, they had that with the Challenger, and to some extent the PT Cruiser.
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Nov 24, 2010 09:11
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InitialDave posted:Poland has been building Fiats for decades, and my experience of working with Polish skilled labour is that they're pretty competent and have a decent work ethic. I've had my Polish-built Panda for 2½ years and the most serious issue I've had with it was a slight squeek from the driver's seat. Everything else has been rock solid. The Turkish-built Fiats, on the other hand... Oh dear.
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Nov 24, 2010 14:32
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kimbo305 posted:A genius ad agency should try to parlay PT Cruiser baby boomer nostalgia into the retro nature of the 500. Dunno how they could do it, but it would be cool to pull off. Audry Hepburn in the ads.
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Nov 24, 2010 15:37
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I'm sure most of y'all have seen this picture, but check it out. Nuovo Cinquecento vs Cinquecento.  The old Cinquecento is loving tiny.
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Nov 24, 2010 16:33
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Tiny yes but RR so it had more room in it than you'd think.
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Nov 24, 2010 16:51
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My experience with Chrysler is two fold. The dealer and the car both were terrible. Sure it was a 1st year PT Cruiser but if you send me a recall that was issued 2 weeks before I bought the car 2 weeks after I bought the car - why the gently caress was this not taken care of ON THE LOT? Service intake guy a complete lying prick time and again doesn't do much for making me want to take my car BACK to you for anything. "Your brakes need replacing." they were brand new. Calling your parts guy on the same day for the same thing and getting 3 different prices (High, Low, High), asking him about that fact, and then getting hung up on? My co-worker got the same sort of poo poo from them on a leaking moon roof on a brand new Caliber. So as much as I love the Fiat I keep this at the front of my mind. Any other dealer network I would have been sold on one the minute I stepped on the lot.
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My girlfriend's had her 500 for over a year now and it's great! just a bit noisy at motorway speeds. They suit the little roads over here.
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Nov 24, 2010 18:34
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Have they been selling them in Australia? I suspect an Aussie's opinion of the 500 would be more relevant to Americans, re: driving conditions.
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Presto posted:Sometimes I wonder if Chrysler is ashamed of this car. The first time I saw one was at the DC auto show this year. They had two of them on display, but instead of having them out in the middle making some kind of statement like, you know, "Check this out! We're going to be bringing out fun, cool small cars!", they had them shoved way in the back behind an endless sea of Bland. It makes sense for them to be ashamed of the fact that they can't design or build anything like it. Like in an old Russian joke, everything Chrysler makes turns into a Sebring.
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Nov 24, 2010 19:36
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Presto posted:Sometimes I wonder if Chrysler is ashamed of this car. The first time I saw one was at the DC auto show this year. They had two of them on display, but instead of having them out in the middle making some kind of statement like, you know, "Check this out! We're going to be bringing out fun, cool small cars!", they had them shoved way in the back behind an endless sea of Bland. If Chrysler was actually controlling the nuovo 500 import they'd have turned it into some sort of Aveo-style crapbox, Americanized with some tacky name under the Dodge brand, an oversized 'signature' grill. The more Chrysler hates it, the better.
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InitialDave posted:my experience of working with Polish skilled labour is that they're pretty competent and have a decent work ethic.
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Nov 24, 2010 21:04
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If you watch/listen to the interview with the FIAT girl she says all the FIAT dealers will be in separate facilities.
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Throatwarbler posted:If you watch/listen to the interview with the FIAT girl she says all the FIAT dealers will be in separate facilities. Under whose ownership, whose management, and staffed by whom?
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Nov 24, 2010 23:46
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Video said, starting out, it's gonna be Chrysler dealers who've stepped up to do this (transport their resources over to the new facilities). And since dealers can have different attitudes and plans from corporate, I imagine the enthusiasm/initiative is real.
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Nov 25, 2010 00:16
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So they aren't going to continue screwing people?
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Nov 25, 2010 01:51
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Most of my family is from Italy and they joke around and say FIAT stands for "Fix It Again Tony". Is that true?
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The Moon Babies posted:Most of my family is from Italy and they joke around and say FIAT stands for "Fix It Again Tony". Is that true? It's not what it actually means, but yes, it's an age-old euphamism for their less than stellar reputation when it came to reliability. At least here in the States. Sort of like "Ford" doesn't actually stand for "found on roadside, dead".
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McMadCow posted:It's not what it actually means, but yes, it's an age-old euphamism for their less than stellar reputation when it came to reliability. At least here in the States. And Pontiac doesn't actually stand for... aaah, nevermind.
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McMadCow posted:It's not what it actually means, but yes, it's an age-old euphamism for their less than stellar reputation when it came to reliability. At least here in the States. I figured you wouldn't assume that I thought FIAT actually stood for that but oh well, lolol. Was FIAT ever in the states before? I mean, how would it have gained a reputation if it wasn't?
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