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So this is kind of a super specific question but; The Maybach S600 (used to be) which is now the S580? (I think) You had the option of a V12 biased to RWD with limited 4matic or some horseshit, and the ABC magic carpet ride suspension Then you could get the V8 full-time 4matic , but no ABC, just the regular 'good enuff' suspension But looking today at the '21 model on the website configurator, they've gone away with the choice completely and it seems to be V8 4matic only, and no mention of ABC suspension at all Anyone have any idea if there is a secret dealer option to config with V8 AND the very good ABC suspension ? The spec's don't mention anything about it and I'm super curious When I asked the head tech at my local dealer a few years ago he said there was something to do with the drive-train setup for the V8 and the suspension bits that it wouldn't all fit, but with the V12 it did? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but I'm not a doctor
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You can’t get the v12 anymore, I think? The new hotness is the “e-active” suspension which uses 48v actuators to move the struts around but I don’t think it’s gonna be available on the 222 body S-class, just airmatic for those.
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Sep 8, 2021 00:39
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Frank Dillinger posted:You can’t get the v12 anymore, I think? The new hotness is the “e-active” suspension which uses 48v actuators to move the struts around but I don’t think it’s gonna be available on the 222 body S-class, just airmatic for those. 223 Maybach states it will have this e-active, which doesn't sound all that great tbh but they're really pushing the new rear-axle steering, which yes I suppose is cool... but the people buying these cars could really care less about the driving; they want 1) comfortable ride, ABC magic carpet suspension was the best hands down 2) features in the back (can you wireless apple carplay yet to the back seat? MY2020 you still couldn't) I'm assuming the latest MBUX allows this but have yet to get my hands on a car with that latest version speaking of every iteration of the car I've driven the champagne flute holder in the back has always been a piece of cheap plastic with double sided tape holding it on, if you open and close the lid a few times it eventually starts rattling and finally falls off. I wonder if Kanye or Drake ever complain about that poo poo 3) reliability. luckily enough they fixed a lot of problems from the the 2018 model year when it spent 3 months in the shop on a hoist, the 2020 has been very good (although driven 90% less during COVID to be fair) knock on wood
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Sep 8, 2021 01:15
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Lol, I just glued a set of silver flutes and their holder back into a console, coincidentally. Mercedes has never, ever, been at the forefront of technology as far as in-car entertainment goes. Wireless CarPlay on the front head unit isn’t even a thing yet, never mind the rear.
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Sep 8, 2021 03:32
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Frank Dillinger posted:Lol, I just glued a set of silver flutes and their holder back into a console, coincidentally. yeah no poo poo, spend 50-60k on a car and can't even wirelessly carplay, let alone spending a quarter million and having the same problem it baffles my mind in some respects, they go balls to the wall with poo poo like LED headlights that will draw a cock and balls on the road in front of you (which 90% of the countries they sell cars in don't allow that function anyways) and then totally neglect the stuff people actually want
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Sep 8, 2021 03:46
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Frank Dillinger posted:Mercedes has never, ever, been at the forefront of technology as far as in-car entertainment goes.
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EvilMoFo posted:Since you mention 'never ever' I presume you have you heard the speakers in a 1970's or 1980's mercedes; dear lord they are horrible. Eh, are there any cars from that era with speakers that sound better than “OK?” What’s really pissing me off right now is that the hardware for wireless CarPlay appears to be there in a bunch of current vehicles (there is a visible coding option, turned off) but it can’t be activated. Probably because Apple wants too much money for the licensing or whatever, but still.
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Sep 8, 2021 15:29
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Frank Dillinger posted:Eh, are there any cars from that era with speakers that sound better than “OK?” I know with Hyundai / Kia they said they can't do it yet on their larger screens for some reason?? (Available on their 8" touchscreens but not 12" models)
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Sep 8, 2021 18:16
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Blue On Blue posted:223 Maybach states it will have this e-active, which doesn't sound all that great tbh rear steering means its easier to maneuver the yacht which does matter to people to some degree by all reviews E-ABC is better than ABC. it gives you some active body control to better manage cornering and faster, more precise response so i dont know why you think it sounds bad other than it's new and therefore different/bad
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:rear steering means its easier to maneuver the yacht which does matter to people to some degree Mercedes has never been very good at introducing new things and not causing huge issues See when I said we had a 2016(?)maybach that sat on the mechanic hoist for the better part of 3 months I’d be willing to give the E-ABC a chance but won’t hold my breath if it takes 6 months after delivery for them to work out all the user experience kinks
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Always buy the face lifted version of a Mercedes. The second half of a model run is where all the kinks are worked out.
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Frank Dillinger posted:Always buy the face lifted version of a Mercedes. The second half of a model run is where all the kinks are worked out. I want an early w115, that vent window is worth whatever haphazard poo poo they fixed in the later model; or I guess I could door swap a newer one.... I own early and late w123; the changes in the later one are for the better, for the most part. I can only imagine how much better the w201 got after the absolute clusterfuck of the first 2 years for the model. I am relatively content with my early (euro-ish) w124, having taken parts off of the newer (us) version at ye ol pick n pull; but I sense that is down to the euro element and my distain for loving electronics and extra complexity. EvilMoFo fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 11:44
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To be clear, my experience is with benzes 2004 and up, I don’t really do much with the old timers. Not a ton of 123 bodies coming by the dealership anymore.
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Sep 10, 2021 14:19
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RIP my rear Airmatic suspension I have CPO warranty, when I had it towed to the dealership they said that they'd need to get the repair approved by Mercedes... I mean, bureaucracy and all that but there's no reason they'd deny a claim where my car suddenly dropped on its loving rear end right?
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sarcastx posted:RIP my rear Airmatic suspension Any repair under an extended warranty needs to be run through an automatic claims system, which will spit out a covered/not covered OR “manual review” Your air springs may or may not be covered depending on vehicle age, type of warranty, country of residence, etc.
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I specifically went for an extended CPO warranty because my car has rear air suspension and I would be beyond furious if the repair was refused. Very interested to hear how this goes!
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Did you get a factory extended warranty (ELW) or Star Certified? (SCW) ELW covers way more than SCW, but in the last year it’s powertrain only IIRC, not sure how things are in America.
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I hadn't heard of those terms before but it was sold to me as a 2 year extension on the already existing 1 year CPO warranty. From MBs website that sounds like ELW but I'm not 100% sure
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Frank Dillinger posted:To be clear, my experience is with benzes 2004 and up, I don’t really do much with the old timers. Not a ton of 123 bodies coming by the dealership anymore. Hell, my mechanic is second generation and they routinely have to get their father to come in and help figure out cryptic problems with my old poo poo.
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We have a few graybeards around, some even Germans who used to work at the plants in Germany so I think we’re better than some, but yeah, just take that to a specialist. I wouldn’t have a clue where to begin diagnosing anything on a K-Jet or something like that.
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I just had a test drive of last year's Mercedes C200. Petrol, automatic. It was ok. A solid meh. 5/10. A driving appliance. It was pokey (i.e. cramped, for me the driver), wasn't responsive, the satnav and general interface was difficult to use compared to others and to top it off, didn't switch off till I pushed OFF three times. The BMW 330e petrol/electric hybrid I test drove last week was way better in every way.
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My wife really likes the GLE350. Is there anything to worry about on the newer Mercedes 2L turbos?
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MrLogan posted:My wife really likes the GLE350. Is there anything to worry about on the newer Mercedes 2L turbos? Not as yet, they haven’t been around too long though to judge longevity. You’re more likely to have complaints about the app features and various software glitches which are mostly fixed with updates.
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Are there any blatant issues with the 2003 model year for the E320? One popped up locally and I haven't checked it out in person just yet. E: didn’t realize it was a W211, also it was a bit of a bust. Interior was kind of a mess. Phone fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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Anyone have an experience with the R171 SLKs? I checked one out this week but the transmission was kicking down harshly when coming to a stop. It turns out it was in sport mode rather than comfort (confirmed today) and from what I've read it sounds like this is fairly common and apparently the transmission is bulletproof? The car is a 2005 SLK 350 with just over 72k on the clock and since I've been working from home for the past 2 years and this would strictly be a fun driving car that I might put up to 3k miles a year on, if that. Right now I'm planning on driving it again this week (also going to reset the adaptive learning on the transmission), is there anything I'm missing? Just looking for some advice, rather than throwing money away.
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I totaled my Audi S8 and now wonder what to buy. For whaever reason new C and E classes were roomy (I'm 200cm / 6ft6in), but I don't like the smooth shapes. So, G? Well gently caress those are expensive. GLK? There's a Japan import GLK 300 with under 90000km's. https://www.nettiauto.com/mercedes-benz/glk/12565095 Also some random probably Finnish sold GLK 300 with similar kilometers and price, but nicer rims, color, no wind deflectors etc. https://www.nettiauto.com/mercedes-benz/glk/12788697 I read that those engines had premature balance shaft wear in 2008 and before, but MB fixed the issue. How good/bad an idea such a car would be? Should I look for a 2012 facelift version instead, maybe with the 3,5L V6 engine? I don't know what changes they introduced with facelift but at least the exterior and interior details are a lot rounder.
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Ihmemies posted:I totaled my Audi S8 and now wonder what to buy. For whaever reason new C and E classes were roomy (I'm 200cm / 6ft6in), but I don't like the smooth shapes. Facelift seems to have sorted out most of the usual issues with GLKs (leaking transfer cases, brake line corrosion, engine mounts, and a few other points) Powertrain wise, the older 272 engine is robust but not particularly powerful. Balance shafts will never be an issue on GLKs, problem was solved by then. The newer GLK gives you the option of direct injected v6 with decent power (276) or the 651 4-cylinder diesel which is basically trouble free and quite economical. You’re already used to Audi sized repair/maintenance costs, so the GLK shouldn’t shock you. I’d consider them to be decently reliable and comfortable, overall a good buy so long as you don’t buy a cheap one with unknown maintenance history.
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Thanks. Seems facelift is roughly also 10000€ more expensive while including taxes, with similar kilometers & equipment as pre-fl GLK models here in Finland... I really don't like diesel or diesel engines. Oil leaks are what my Audis have always had. So, so many oil leaks everywhere, so they are expected. Maybe I'll just buy a pre-facelift GLK, since it has more square, angular shapes. I don't think the facelift justifies a 50% price increase.
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I think the pre-facelift one looks much more distinctive and interesting.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think the pre-facelift one looks much more distinctive and interesting. Looks are certainly subjective. The interior on the facelift is a fair bit nicer though, everything got updated. Any time anyone wants a Benz I strongly recommend the facelift because they tend to have more of the issues worked out. That being said, yeah 10 000 euro is a hell of a premium. Have you looked around Europe for a glk? Cheapest one in Germany is just over 20k. https://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/me...b5220a7&type=ad
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Yes. But the thing is travel fees to Germany cost a bit, need to take time off from work. Temporary plates, paperwork and registration fees. Import taxes to Finland for such a car are like 6000-7000€. Cars in Finland are expensive because the gasoline engine cars are taxed quite heavily. Maybe it is worth the extra cost though? The changes don't really look like that substantial when compared to cost. I understand the facelift is nicer. But is it that much nicer, that's the problem. Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 2, 2022 |
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I would just start by going to a used car lot or Benz dealer and test driving both. Honestly the only person who can make that call is you!
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Frank Dillinger posted:I would just start by going to a used car lot or Benz dealer and test driving both. Honestly the only person who can make that call is you! I think that since Ihmemies is in Finland it is relatively difficult to find the cars, let alone for sale at a place where they can test drive one.
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MB claims they changed over 1200 things for the GLK facelift. One of the things being 99% of production seemingly went to diesel models... I understand it is more than a trim package, but I can't find a facelift gasoline engine model to test drive locally. Only pre-fl. So I can't comment on the difference between engine models. I guess only solution is to use my gut feeling and just buy something 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think that since Ihmemies is in Finland it is relatively difficult to find the cars, let alone for sale at a place where they can test drive one. Fair point, a country of 5.5 million and hefty car taxes isn’t a recipe for a wide range of available used benzes.
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I asked about ordering a https://www.sbtjapan.com/dealers-cars/mercedes/glk-class/DRA5468/?d_country=65&d_port=108¤cy=4 for me. I have been thinking about it and if the problems are ironed out in facelift models maybe it would be worth it. The new 3,5L engine uses on average 2L/100km less fuel which is significant. It has signifcantly more power also, and the acceleration figures are comparable to my old Audi S8. Usually facelift models with better equipment also keep their value better as time goes on. Edit: Ok I calculated costs: Car in Japan 18000€ Fedex 2000€ Customs 2000€ VAT 5300€ Tax 11000€ Fees 300€ A 18000€ car will cost 38000€ in the end. Maybe the pre-fl car won't be that bad. Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Frank Dillinger posted:Fair point, a country of 5.5 million and hefty car taxes isn’t a recipe for a wide range of available used benzes. The only Finn I knew who owned a car made real good money and drove like a twelve year old Clio II with 75 hp. Another friend brought his dad's E200D on a trip and everyone was giving him poo poo for turning in to a drug dealer.
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DANG, good thing yall have good cycle paths.
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Why would you want to interface a W208 instrument cluster to W163 ML55 coolant level and washer fluid level sensors? W163 uses conductive sensors for these fluids, W208 uses float switches. Is this a common swap of some sort, or a one-off frankenstein creation?
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ryanrs posted:Why would you want to interface a W208 instrument cluster to W163 ML55 coolant level and washer fluid level sensors? W163 uses conductive sensors for these fluids, W208 uses float switches. You’re right, why would you want to do that? Got some context? I’m confused.
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