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Paul MaudDib posted:For the record: IPS glow/backlight bleed will almost always be there if you go looking for it. A "good" IPS monitor still may have brown corners if you're on a completely black loading screen in a dark room. Just for shits and giggles i decided to take to a phone shot of each screen I had nearby, in a dark room. They all look loving horrendous lol A pretty old IPS Dell:  IRL there's a slight cast in in the lower corners but not too bad from the angle I'm usually at A free Fujitsu something or other I got as a secondary monitor, probably TN:  Normally a bit of backlight bleed is visible at most Chinese tablet with a Surface IPS screen:  Thinkpad T460 with the IPS panel:  Samsung Note 9:  It sucks that all monitors aren't OLED but turning even a dim light in the room (or not looking at pure black) helps a lot.
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K8.0 posted:The thing about taking pictures in the dark with your phone is that it has auto exposure, so basically every monitor is going to look very similar overall even though they don't IRL. Monitors that perform well will actually tend to look worse if you aren't taking this into consideration - since they're more uniform, the phone will adapt to make everything look fairly bright. Subjunctive posted:Why don’t high end monitors all have integrated bias lighting by now? They could be multi-colour like the good kits and everything.
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butt dickus posted:Over 10 years? And I thought I was crazy for still using my U3011s. I've been waiting for years for the perfect replacement but it seems like it will never happen. All the things I want in a monitor exist, but not in the same monitor, is there some reason for that?
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So how bad is VA nowadays? Today I stopped by a major electronics store just to see what's up and check out some monitors IRL. Unfortunately they had only a few models displayed and they were separated by brand so I couldn't really compare anything like I wanted to. But I did see what IIRC was a Samsung U32R590. It's 4k, 32", curved (meh), VA and under $500. The size seemed just right, a significant upgrade from 24" but not crazy like 40", and the viewing angles and colors looked good, but of course it's really impossible to tell objectively in those conditions. So yeah I'm a bit tempted, maybe more so by the flat version. I'm tired of waiting of the perfect monitor which will be all this +IPS +HDR +Gsync +120hz (not even talking about oled at this point!) because that's some kind of unicorn apparently, and even dropping a grand would still get a very basic IPS panel. Has anyone seen a good VA and IPS panels side by side? From what I'm seeing, the contrast and color accuracy is very good at least for sRGB.
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Ah so that's the catch. Because I was looking at some reviews and everything seemed pretty good for VA considering the price range. I'm not pro gamer or anything but I guess I'd want to try it in person to see if the response bothers me. It's a shame 32" isn't taking off for 4k, 27" makes sense for 1440p but a few more inches would only make things better 
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I had a dream I could actually remember for the first time in ages tonight. I drunk-ordered a giant curved monitor (and an acoustic bass which I can't play of course) and when it showed up, it didn't fit properly on the desk and I couldn't align the top edge with my eye level. But thankfully it's also flexible! Or maybe it wasn't supposed to be, because the screen cracked in a few spots while I was trying to adjust it. So then I couldn't return it and was stuck with a huge and expensive paperweight (that's what she said). What would Freud say, does this mean I want to gently caress my monitor?
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VelociBacon posted:CRTs are the best because you can't play duck hunt with the gun on anything else.
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Do any of the typically recommended monitors do black frame insertion or strobing? After reading a bit too much stuff on motion clarity and now I feel like I must have this in any future monitors.
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K8.0 posted:BFI is incredible, but there are zero monitors that properly support it with VRR. It's really a shame because sample and hold really damages motion clarity, but there just aren't any good options yet and probably won't be any time soon. It would require modulating both the timing and brightness of the backlight pulses and no display has done that yet. For OLED it would be easier - just make the pixels light up for a very short time, but much brighter - but the problem is that brightness is the thing that burns out OLEDs, so doing it well would make an OLED display have a dramatically shorter lifetime.
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^^^ Plus I don't know if I'd trust Eve nerds to design a monitor over professional engineers Why can't you make it 32" you fuuuucks repiv posted:$1200 for an Innolux panel though, aren't they usually pretty mediocre?
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Cygni posted:Hardware Unboxed was pretty impressed with the Dell S2721DGF, Dell's version of a monitor with the ubiquitous LG NanoIPS 1440 panel, theirs at 165hz. For a moment I was excited about the LG 4k monitor but it's still 27". If it were 32" I think I'd drop up to a grand but double the price oft he 1440p makes no sense to me. Especially since it still doesn't do proper HDR either. I'd even take a Samsung VA if it were 32" 4k but they don't make a G7 like that either. The only other exciting possibility was the 48CX but it's too big and too expensive for my desk/taste, and 10+ hours a day of office & coding work would probably do it no good anyway. E: ordered the Dell. It's already after business hours here so I guess I'll find out on Monday when it will ship. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Oct 23, 2020 |
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You're making GBS threads me, just as I ordered the S2721DGF, my dream panel might actually be coming this year??  quote:One of the most exciting panels in the plans is the M320QAN02.6. This is a 32″ IPS panel with a 3840 x 2160 resolution combined with a 144Hz refresh rate max. It has a wide gamut with 99% Adobe RGB coverage, 10-bit colour depth and a borderless design. What makes this one so interesting is that it also has a 1152-zone Mini LED backlight for top level HDR performance. This delivered a 1400 cd/m2 peak brightness as well, allowing the screen to meet the newish VESA DisplayHDR 1400 standard. This was previously expected to go in to production in Q1 2020 but due to covid that is now expected to be this month, from Oct 2020. There is already a 60Hz version in mass production (M320QAN02.5) but this will be the high refresh rate option.
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Rusty posted:Linus did a review on the 48" LG Oled as a PC monitor. I assume my task bar would be burned in to the screen in a year if I used it like that, is that still the case? The Rtings guys did burn in examples for TV and it wasn't awful, but seems like having a desktop on 10-12 hours a day would be bad. I don't think there's an exact answer to this but it's my impression as well. It might be fine for a normal person who does some facebooking and then watches a movie but 8+ of WFH followed by as much personal use would gently caress it up pretty badly, I imagine.
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Rusty posted:Yeah, I figured, just seems so tempting to have an OLED for the dektop, but I don't want to have to worry about it or go through all the mitigation strategies. I have a 3080 and game, but 90% of the use would be a wfh situation I've had OLED displays in phones forever and the Note9 is really impressive (and shows no signs of burn in after 2 years) so I'm really tempted too, but seems like desktop usage would be still a problem, not to mention that 48" is really huge. I wouldn't have any concerns using it just for games but I don't really play enough games any more to justify a separate $2k TV just for that purpose. Really what would make more sense is getting a bigger one (65" or more) to replace my projector setup with that and game in the living room.
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Jeff Fatwood posted:My take is that don't get an OLED as a PC monitor unless you're willing to take the possibility of writing off a a thousand bucks over the next 3 years instead of something like 5-10 years. Also they're huge as gently caress and reflective. On the other hand, I don't think this was highlighted in the initial post, but there are some more good news in the actual article, I think I'd be able to sacrifice HDR if it's a big difference: quote:32″ IPS Panel with 4K and High Refresh Rate In Production Soon
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:There's nothing wrong with it, he's just being dramatic that's all. It's an incredibly good monitor and still the number one choice for everyone who wants to move to 1440p144 at a great price/performance point ufarn posted:My Dell monitors are almost ten years old, I'm just awful at upgrading. I kinda wanna wait for HDMI 2.1, but I probably don't really need it for anything realistically. Having the option for HDMI-VRR sounds nice for consoles, but realistically all that will just be in the TV room anyway.
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ufarn posted:Also, it sounds like Dell is running some kind of sale on the monitor or on their site which seems ridiculous. It's like $150 off compared to third-party retailers from what I can tell. Supposedly, DEALABS20 works as a discount code, too. E: but yeah definitely check out their site, they often do sales mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Oct 24, 2020 |
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Hemish posted:The right term is probably something like joystick but it feels suppler than those little red knob (mouse) in the middle of a laptop's keyboard. So nipple felt like the right call. 
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Hemish posted:Yeah... I didn't want to say it's like the clit mouse but a bit longer so I went with nipple... I guess there's worse things said daily on this forum. At least you got something, I'm still looking at my order status with no ETA. I'm kind of hoping the 4K 144hz AOU monitor makes it to production before I receive it, by this point.
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Holy poo poo my Dell S2721DGF supposedly just shipped! Which is incidentally another (better) alternative to those LGs. I wanted a 32" 144hz monitor too but there's no reasonable options so far, although some AOU panels mentioned a few pages back are finally looking promising, but who knows when those will be available and for how much.
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ufarn posted:Do a trip report with how you went about calibrating, if you don't mind. There's a big gain from calibrating it, and I guess borrowing a calibration profile might improve it somewhat even though it's not ideal. Hemish posted:Is the 27GL850 really worth 205-250$ more so 705-750$Cnd than the 27GL83A? People say it's the same panel with a USB hub but that can't be right, why would they charge 200$ for an USB hub? I don't know enough about the color gambut thing to know if that difference is worth 200$ or not. I ask because this one might be in stock and about to run out. The Samsung Odyssey G7 might also be an option if you don't want 4k, it's VA but looks pretty awesome. Forget the Dell then, it's just a bit faster (probably not even noticeably so), it's just a good alternative if it's cheaper and/or in stock.
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TorakFade posted:It is one hell of a trip trying to sort out the differences between those things, since model names seem to come from randomly bashing the keyboard and appear to have no actual easy to spot relation to production year, characteristics, tiers etc. If you're lucky a 27 or 32 somewhere in there will mean 27" or 32", but not always  at least they're all 27"E: I got a tracking number but it's still not available in the system, and tomorrow is a public holiday. Fuuuuck I could've had tomorrow, so close 
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KidDynamite posted:managed to get my hands on a 3080 last week, and now my old rear end Samsung U28D590D(4k 60 TN) is no longer cutting it. I can't do 1440p for work after years of 4k. the 720 pixel height difference is too much for me(50 lines of code vs 80 doesn't seem like much but helps me work faster.) I used my wife's 1440p 144hz and good lord is it good to game at 144hz. There are some 144hz 4k monitors, if you don't mind dropping like $2k on one. But a few pages back someone posted an announcement about new HFR 4k panels coming out soon hopefully. Of course at that point I already had a 1440p monitor ordered after I finally gave up waiting for my unicorn.
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That's not too unusual though I think. Dell for example doesn't sell monitors directly here either and the way to RMA them is through the seller. Zarin posted:Buddy just asked me for a monitor recommendation; he's interested in this one:
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Got a call from the courier this morning, they decided to deliver it on a public holiday. Sucks for them but great for me because I get the whole day to gently caress around with the Dell Don't-Give-a-gently caress  First impression is that the size is a bit underwhelming (  just what she said), a decent enough improvement over 24" in itself, but lame for like 10 loving years. Very bright by default, and the HU recommended setting is also too bright for my taste. Everything is much smoother of course after enabling 165hz. The colors definitely pop much more, I installed the Dell ICC profile but it's hard to talk about accuracy without a calibrator or calibrated reference. In general it's kind of a mess to set up in Windows, the settings are all over the place. It looks great for casual use but I'll have to get it calibrated before touching my photos. The downside is that I'm definitely not running RDR2 at 165hz on a 1070, or probably anything else for that matter. E: well the UFO really flies! mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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I have the Dell at like 15 even in a room lit though a window on a cloudy day. It's really bright, I can't imagine what those 1000 nit panels do to your eyes. They weren't kidding about garbage contrast on these LG panels. I've seen the tests of course so I knew about it but it legit might be worse than my old Ultrasharp. Come on, make a <42" OLED already, LG!
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I found a place locally that will rent a calibrator for a day for like $15 so I'm gonna do it. They have two devices: X-RITE I1 STUDIO, and COLORMUNKI PHOTO, I have zero experience with either but the former is marginally more expensive so I assume it's better?  Since this Dell is wide gamut, I guess I would have to calibrate it twice, for P3 and sRGB and make two profiles so I could then switch as necessary? Hopefully the calibrating software makes it simple enough for an idiot. Zarin posted:Yeah, I do mostly Excel, Word, Outlook, etc. all day (along with some random other softwares/web interfaces) and I used to run 3x 1080p monitors; swapping a 1080p for a 4k doubled my real estate basically. Now instead of 3 1080p windows open, I can have 6. Or two portraits on the 4k. Or two EXTREMELY WIDE spreadsheets (top and bottom split). Some Goon posted:I've got a 24" and 27" fhd monitor currently. The issues with 1080p at 27" are imo vastly overstated, the text is every so slightly fuzzier and in like games and stuff it's not even noticable. But I would like to have more cells / rows on screen at once, which a larger 1080p monitor doesn't help at all with, so I was going to ditch the 24" for a higher res portrait mode monitor. With 1440p I could double dip and get a nice gaming monitor too, but I don't game on a monitor much at all presently, 4k might be cheaper and I would think could have more stuff on screen, but if the implementation is bad then it doesn't really help.
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Apparently some can and just have a separate sRGB mode, but this one doesn't unfortunately. I really have no clue about this stuff because I've only ever had standard gamut monitors, but I think that it should be pretty easy to just scale the values to make them look like what they should. Like if in P3 255,0,0 is eye-watering red, just scale it down to 220,0,0 so it shows up like on a normal monitor. I guess at the expense of some resolution. Or maybe I'll stick with P3 and screw the losers that don't have it.
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Vidaeus posted:Sorry if this is covered in the thread, but couldn't see it in the OP or in the last page.
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Cygni posted:Thats the hidden curse of 144hz... you won't notice it until you go back to running 60hz on like a laptop and it looks like DOGSHIT. 144hz doesn't make your games and stuff look obviously better as much as it just ruins everything else thats slower! Cool!
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teraflame posted:Is the Dell S2721DGF one of the best 1440p high refresh monitors to go for? How often does dell do sales? The black level / contrast sucks (probably like all the LG panels) but otherwise I think so
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Rollie Fingers posted:I am sure because I'm one of the artists that had to use those displays for years. The black point on that Eizo is 0.18cd/m2 and 0.14 on my cheapo U2311H: https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2311h.htm#colour for a contrast of 857:1. The black point on the 2721DGF is like 0.24 as far as I can tell or even higher at HDR brightnesses. I can get the U2311 much lower too if I bring the brightness to 0, which doesn't help much in the 2721. It's really distracting in night scenes and I'd probably return it now if it wasn't too late. I was too impressed by, well, everything else the first few weeks. I'm thinking I'll stick with it for a year maybe and then eat a $100 or so loss to move to something bigger and better. E: Like those AOC 32" that came up recently. Or something OLED 
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Yeah it's just bad. I'm not a huge monitor snob (otherwise I wouldn't still have the U2311) but, unlike delta-E sperging, this is easily visible to the naked eye, even with lights on in the room. Of course I just saw the review of the Gigabyte M27Q which seems to be using a Sharp panel and gets better contrast so maybe something to consider for anyone looking for a 27" HFR monitor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNIqwxAZ-MQ
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Verviticus posted:i went from a 10 year old monitor and a 970 to the 83a-b and a 3070 and honestly the difference wasnt as lifechanging as i've been told. i even have a second lovely monitor hooked up that i didnt upgrade and going back and forth its like yeah. i see it. its alright! but it didnt really illicit the reaction that my friends/the internet told me it should But because I didn't feel like doing the work I'm paid for, I fired up Quake 3 instead and bound some keys to cap the framerate at 45, 60, 125, and 165 fps. I did a few tests, mainly jerking the mouse left and right while standing, strafing sideways while looking at a wall straight ahead, and circle strafing while bunny hopping around a quad damage.
That said since I don't play online competitively or Q3 or UT very often, so I'd probably take a 4k 32" 60Hz over this, but all IPS monitors are more than twice as expensive so that's not exactly a direct substitute. A non-gaming QHD, maybe if it had a much better black level / contrast while (but not VA).
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lordfrikk posted:I have to try some less demanding first person shooter to see if I can easily tell the difference between 60/120/240 Hz or if I consider it worthwile because so far I am in the camp of 60 is great, extra is whatever. bind 8 "com_maxfps 60" bind 9 "com_maxfps 125" etc. DrDork posted:Nope, in fact more or less the opposite: by default, *Sync turns off once you're hitting FPS above the monitor's refresh rate. That's what all the "cap your frames at 141 FPS" and similar recommendations are about : to ensure that FPS < Hz. *Sync is specifically intended to help reduce the impact of low FPS, so if you're getting 70-90 FPS on a 144Hz monitor it's gonna be doing the best it can to sync up the monitor with the framerate, which is what makes the visual experience better. 144 FPS on a 144Hz monitor and it has no real work to do since they're already matched. Fake motion blur mostly sucks but just for the record, it's not in Q3, I was talking about only the actually perceived blur from objects moving on the screen.
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explosivo posted:I think I'm pulling the trigger on the LG 27GL850-B, I've never actually seen HDR but have read some so-so things to say about the HDR quality on this one, can anyone attest to that? I assume it's the kind of thing that having never seen it before I won't notice if it's bad or not but still thought I'd ask because if I'm going to upgrade I'm looking for HDR. QHD is 3.7MP compared to 2MP, but in actual games the scaling doesn't seem to be that bad. I'm getting about 32 fps in Cyberpunk at 1440p and 45 at 1080p, though YMMV. Disappointing Pie posted:You honestly may think I'm crazy but I've gotten so many totally great monitors from pawn shops or used goodwill like stores. I just take an old tiny laptop and hdmi cable and make sure they power on and display fine and I've gotten a few for around $20 that honestly should be worth five times that. You can find solid 1080p monitors in that range anywhere I feel. Scarecow posted:Trip report after having the CX48 for 3 days and playing cyberpunk on it....jfc its amazing That said, by time %, I mainly use my desktop for work stuff so I think I'd be still concerned with burnout. I don't even watch movies on it since I have a projector so it's a bit hard to justify still.
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Why don't you make it 32" you fucks Cygni posted:https://twitter.com/videocardz/status/1348635550132137986?s=21
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Peachfart posted:I replaced one of my old 24' 1080p monitors with a 27' 1440p monitor and it is so beautiful that it makes my old monitor look like dog poo poo. I was looking into why the scaling is so bad but it looks like that is just Windows. This is both amazing and incredibly annoying.
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