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Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:

Problem with using a monitor as a TV: Probably not able to display at 24hz

Aren't most TVs 60hz as well? A 120hz TV could play 24hz video by displaying every frame for 5 cycles, but 24hz doesn't divide 60 evenly.

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Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Carpet posted:

Welp, my bad. How do people scale stuff up/down to higher/lower resolutions then?

I think the gpu can do the scaling itself without issue. But if you have another video source that can't output 1440p (like a console), you'll be out of luck.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

swarthmeister posted:

I'm looking to get a 1920x1200 monitor, anywhere from 20" to 24". Based on the options I want (IPS, pivot/tilt/swivel/height, anti-glare, eco-friendly, USB hub, LED backlight, USA warranty, etc), I'm looking at the Dell U2412M, the Asus PA248Q, and the Lenovo LT2452p. I'm leaning toward the Asus.

I can get any one of them new for about the same price (Dell and Asus a bit under $350, Lenovo a bit over $350). The Lenovo model has appeal from its design style and the cable routing is a nice touch, but there aren't many comprehensive reviews in English. Dell seems to be the popular model for an affordable good display matching my checklist, but Asus has the best variety of video inputs along with USB3 and some odd features like picture-in-picture. My use is mostly browsing/writing, basic graphic and video stuff, and occasionally games. Any reason to avoid the Asus, or to spend more for the Lenovo?


Idle curiosity: weren't there options just a few years ago for moderately-priced 21" to 23" monitors with WUXGA resolution? I think they were PVA or SVA, but still it's strange I didn't find anything under 24" this year.

"Full HD" became the marketing buzzword and now 16:10 is strictly for higher end monitors. There's no going back now.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Comatoast posted:

I'd like to post a couter point to everyone saying that the larger high-res screens are the bees knees. I found them to be quite the opposite. I can only look at or concentrate on a few square inches of the screen at a time. The rest of the space sites idle, while my eyes move somewhere else. So, even if I'm able to fill that space with useful information its a wash to my brain. Alt tabbing or scrolling is no big deal next to the extra strain on my poor eyeballs from all the excess light. 27" is much too large for a monitor. 21" is about right. I can't wait for high-res screens in a smaller form factor and resolution independent everything.

You're sitting too close to the monitor.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

fookolt posted:

Would it be weird to use 2 27" as side monitors for a center 30"? Would the screens not lining up drive me up a wall?

That depends on who you ask. Myself, I have a 27", 24", and 20", and I have no problem with the disparity. Also, you won't be able to do gaming across all three, if you were thinking of doing that.

I'd be more worried about having the desk space for 3 huge monitors though.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

BreakAtmo posted:

Question. I know about tri-monitor setups, and since LG introduced their Curved OLED HDTV, an idea popped into my head that I wanted to know if anyone here had heard about. Given that displays that can curve around you are now possible, is there any chance a display manufacturer may end up making a 48:9 or 48:10 deep-curve OLED monitor at some point in the future, as a new option for the enthusiasts who hook up their computer with 3 monitors?

Cant rule it out, but it sounds like something you would see at CES and then never again. It would be monstrously expensive and the number of people gaming on three monitors is already small. The number willing to throw out what they have and spend way more on a curved one is even smaller.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Atheist Sunglasses posted:

I was just offered a 27" Apple Cinema Display with the Thunderbolt connector for 700 bucks. First of all, is this a good deal? Second of all, I have a PC at home. Is it even viable at all to get this thing working with a PC or is the cost not worth it?

You can get a U2713HM right now, not on sale, for $700. Why pay the same amount for a used monitor with no warranty?

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

The Lord Bude posted:

That's way too big of a screen for use as a monitor though, in my opinion. The DPI would still be terrible, and it's DPI that makes screens look good, not resolution by itself. It also only supports 30Hz refresh at 4K resolution.

Unless I screwed something up, 4k @ 39" is 2.25x the pixels in 2.08x the screen area of a 27" 1440p screen, so DPI is actually higher. Unfortunately 30hz is still a dealbreaker.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

The Lord Bude posted:

Well it's about 2700 dollars less than I spent on my 2.1 system, although I'm including preamp, DAC, cables, etc in that figure.

The audiophile is confused about why anyone would spend a lot of money on a multimonitor setup. That's rich.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Ruin Completely posted:

Would that monoprice be a suitable alternative to one of the 27" Korean monitors? For whatever reason they seem less intimidating, I like Monoprice and I know they have deals around the holidays.

Also would I have trouble running a 1440p monitor at native resolution with a 1gb radeon 7850? I'm not worried about games since I can turn settings down until I can also get a new card (I'm optimistic for the r9 280x) but I just want to make sure it can even do it at all, I couldn't find a supported resolution list online.

A 7850 will definitely do 1400p with a dual link cable. You will have to turn settings down though.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

TheRationalRedditor posted:

It looks very good in games at 1080p be they on PC or console. The only console game I've had that doesn't look totally rad up close is GTA5, and that's because it maxes at 720p due to the limitations of the ancient hardware.

Hardly any console games go beyond 720p. In fact many are sub-720p. GTAV, being at the end of a generation, ought to look a lot better than earlier console games. Seeing console games close up just reinforces the fact that PC gaming is the true master race.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Guni posted:

That will be a loving terrible monitor, at 27 and above, you want at least 2560x1440, otherwise you'll be able to see the pixels pretty obviously. Also, I definitely wouldn't count on that being a IPS.

If I were you, I'd have a look at a Dell U2312HM Ultrasharp, it'll be way better.

Not only wouldn't I count on it, I can definitively tell you that this is a TN panel. Viewing Angle 160°(H) / 160°(V) means TN. All IPS panels are 178/178.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

adamarama posted:

I've just got a new rig and I don't think my old monitor can keep up. It has a VGA connection with a DVI adapter. It works fine on my old rig but for some reason I get slight wavy lines running up through the display on my new rig, mainly when it displays dark areas. I thought it may have been a PSU issue, as I had trouble with that too, but it displays perfectly on my tv via hdmi. Is ther anything I can do to improve the display or do I need to upgrade to a HDMI monitor? I was thinking of venturing to 1440p anyway.

Your monitor only has VGA? Dude, you spent all this money on a new computer but failed to budget for the thing that you stare into 100% of the time you use said computer? Shameful.

Get yourself a u2713hm or something. You won't regret it.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

TheRamblingSoul posted:

Are there advantages or disadvantages to using an HDTV as a computer monitor versus using an actual high-definition resolution computer monitor?

Well, that monitor can only run at 30hz@4k. So it would be very annoying to use it as a monitor. You would constantly lose track of the mouse and things would be kinda jerky.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Anti-Hero posted:

Why would you need gameplay recording hardware when there is Shadowplay?

Reminder that shadowplay is currently limited to 10 minutes.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

B-Mac posted:

I received a free 1080p montior from a friend. It is a HP w2408h. Are these things any decent compared to the dells that I see everyone recommend? I cant complain at all since it cost me nothing and coming from 1440x900.

Reviews say its TN. So no.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Belasarius posted:

I have a mathematical proof of Asus's evil but it is too long to post here.


edit:


A monitor from 2010 is the best 120hz capable one?

The one that everyone likes now is ASUS VG248QE. Up to date, but still Asus. Sorry. According to this BENQ makes some as well, but I have no idea the quality or prices.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Don Lapre posted:

Its too bad windows DPI scaling is still horribly broken.

Really want to see a non-scaling windows program with sub-millimeter-tall text now.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Don Lapre posted:

I would be really surprised if any of the TV's are TN.

The first Seiki 4k TVs were TN.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc
What, you don't like monitors that exhibit color-shift just from small movements in your chair?

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Wowporn posted:

How sketchy of a purchase would this be?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Refurb...=item33909c3a91

A 1440p refurbished Shimian for $180. The seller has a good record and there's a nice jpeg of a medal with the words '1 year warranty' on it. Although actually the price plus the fifty buck 2 year square trade warranty would still be $90 cheaper than the qnix I was looking at.

edit: I checked the page again and it was already down to less than 10% of the remaining stock (they already sold like 160) so I just decided to buy it, fingers crossed I guess.

I bought this monitor new, also from an ebay seller. In my opinion you're already taking a risk by buying grey market. Buying a grey market item that's been used and refurbished by the seller is just too much for me. How much can you really trust "helloemart" to stand by their work?

edit: think about it this way: best case scenario, your monitor came from the factory, to the ebay seller, then to the US buyer who got a perfectly working monitor but didn't have the right video card or whatever. Then it got sent back to Korea, "refurbished" in some unknown way, and then sent to the US again. That's the best case scenario, the worst case is that it was sent back as broken and fixed in a really shoddy way. It could also get hosed up in transit, of course.

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Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Wowporn posted:

Yeah, that was all why it took me a while to decide. I figured if something is horribly wrong the return window is big enough to get it back. It seemed worth a shot since the reviews are almost universally good/they have a lot, it's returnable, and the person refurbishing them is actually located in the US and not Korea, so the monitors haven't made multiple international trips. Plus it was loving cheap.

New or used, you're always rolling the dice on these things. I hope it works out. Mine ended up with just two dead pixels in a corner, not noticeable at all.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc
My 5 year-old korean noname 27" monitor died today and it seemed like a good opportunity to spend a lot of money on an upgrade from 60hz. Since there are apparently only like 4 monitors that are 27", 1440p, IPS, and 144hz, I looked at them all and summarily ordered an "AOC AG271QG" because it costs $100 less than the others. I'm not going to regret this right? It looks like they all share the same main weakness which is panel lottery for backlight bleed and dead pixels, so might as well get the cheaper one. TN panels are even cheaper but...TN is for poors, right? Backlight bleed is a lot less noticeable to me than shifting colors and color banding or whatever.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

SwissCM posted:

How did it die? Just a heads up that it might just be the power supply which is a pretty cheap fix, they seem to be the things that most often fail with those monitors.

No output on the screen, but it isn't completely dead because Windows still recognizes it as a monitor when I plug it in. Where can I find more information?

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc
Buying a 1440p 144hz monitor has been a disaster for me because now I want to replace my expensive graphics card with a really, really expensive graphics card.

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Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

You're fine for ultra. Be aware that there can be other reasons for fps drops, such as online game clients having tiny moments of hanging because of the realities of syncing up real time action with a server.

I disagree. Here are some benchmarks: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-graphics-card-roundup,4751-2.html

My experience matches up perfectly with those benchmarks, fwiw. 1070 is a beast but it doesn't really do max settings 1440p at 144fps on modern games. That's actually exactly why I made this post a while ago:

Magic Underwear posted:

Buying a 1440p 144hz monitor has been a disaster for me because now I want to replace my expensive graphics card with a really, really expensive graphics card.

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