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ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Propagandalf posted:

The real mindfuck is seeing former CIS hardware with deactivated weaponry, in civilian colors.


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ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Groda posted:

Not call you on this, but what were these incidents? What was "highly radioactive"?

Spain and Greenland 1966 and 68 respectively.

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Nov 30, 2005

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NosmoKing posted:

Never heard of these things. Is it just a set of fuel tanks with a warhead in the front? That's almost like the pod under the B-58.

Integrated wet and weapon station for the underwing hardpoint on the A5?

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Miso, that was a class post. Thanks!
I'm in Texas for the weekend, and what do you know? There is a cold war air museum. Ha. loving score.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

The Tornado isn't a cool aircraft at all. The RAF senior officers have such a hard-on for it that they've sabotaged Britain's entire force projection capacity by ditching the Harrier early, just so they can keep that useless swing-wing shitbird in service a while longer.

Meanwhile the Royal Navy is getting new carriers for the first time in forever and they'll have nothing to fly from them until the JSF gets unfucked some time in 2070.

Of course in theory they could pay for both, but Europeans in general don't seem to understand that you actually have to pay for things like armed forces.

They could always hit Dassault up for some carrier variant Rafales. :D I also see SAAB was getting speculative with a carrier variant of the Gripen at one stage. I guess if the UK carriers ever get commissioned and it happens before the JSF outcome is known, then theyhave no lack of options for building an effective strike wing.

Though I fully expect the Fleet Air Arm will take 24 super hornets as an interim "gap plug" and keep them in service for the lifespan of the carriers because "LOL JSF budget".


Mirage 2000 porn:
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/phi729/2422/

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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A hundred feet over hell by Jim Hooper is a great book.
The author also happens to be a photojournalist who covered a load of anti-communist conflict.

http://www.jimhooper.co.uk/imagegalleries.html

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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mlmp08 posted:

Well, there are ways to make them far, far quieter and SOCOM has done this and it's not a secret, really. Also, they may be loud, but masked helicopters are very hard to hear because of the hill/mountain/whatever in the way. If you can hear a chopper, it is at VERY close range relative to air defense systems. The only chopper that comes to mind that is distinctly loving loud and has led to me hearing it before I see it is the Huey. That thing "slaps" something fierce.

When choppers are flying low, even in a a non-masked environment, you'd be surprised just how close they are before you hear them. A loud two-rotor newschopper hovering overhead gives a weird impression of how far out you hear them compared to a modern military chopper at low level.

This link has some info: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/mh-x.htm

They're reporting a reduction of 16 dB during flyovers using different rotor designs on an otherwise identical aircraft.

I got buzzed by an entire squadron of CSH-2 Rooivalks recently. That's 12 of them. By time I had pulled my iphone out, unlocked it and tried to focus for a picture, I was looking at the last one disappearing from site.
Which theoretically may indicate I'd get a shot at one with a MANPADS, but I'd have been a sitting duck for ages if they were hunting with the Mokopa missile. There is no way you'd hear them.

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Nov 30, 2005

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Flikken posted:

According to Wikipedia you got buzzed by all of those choppers in existence

Yes, it was all of the completed airframes in active service. I think, given their flight path they were coming from weapons integration testing at Denel Dynamics. It's the only plausible explanation I can come up with, since they were flying clean.

mlmp08 posted:

Exactly. When the US uses MANPADS they are on an alert system varying from something like being ready to fire in an hour, which permits them to sleep, do hygiene, eat, whatever, to having the MANPADS on their shoulder, fully deployed with both members of the 2 man crew actively scanning the sky.
It's not much different to Strela teams in the SANDF and I'd wager every other Western military.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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iyaayas01 posted:


Does the SANDF actually use Strelas? I figured they'd have some sort of Western kit...although I imagine they're quite familiar with the Eastern Bloc weapons from the various Bush Wars.


Yeah, apparently they're moving over to the Starstreak VSHORADS - I'd like to believe it's a supplement to MANPADS, but there has been no mention of this, and I am not sure how far along that program is.
The initial purchase was a low volume, near portable multiple launch system back in 2000 with a variety of integrated acquisition systems added in. A month or so ago another order was placed, but no details of the launch platform were included. I'll wager it's just a missile restock.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Vatek posted:

Did somebody say low pass?
No-one can mention low flying without a repost of the French Air Force in Chad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nltc_dq_VXI

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Coldwar CAS.
Impala Mk2

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Gun camera imagery.
Impala Mk2 taking out a Hind.


The Impalas were used to dissuade heliborne operations during this particular phase of the bushwar and accounted for 6 helicopter kills in two days - a mixture of Mi-24 and Mi-17.
Helicopters were never used against UNITA/SADF again. In fact, all heliborne ops were forbidden except to evacuate soviet advisors from certain death.

iyaayas01 posted:

You need to post more stuff from the Bush Wars, because I was unaware the SAAF had those aircraft until I looked it up, although it didn't surprise me.

Got to dig deep to find Impala pictures.

In the meantime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ev3gurrys
The only thing special about that clip is that it's an F1 with a Klimov RD-33 shoehorned into it.

ming-the-mazdaless fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 25, 2011

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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I took some pictures today.
Continuing with Cold War CAS from another part of the world.
The Alpha-XH1, the prototype proof of concept for a chin turreted tandem gunship.

Derived from the Alouette III, later test beds would be based on the far more powerful Puma Medium Lift Helicopter. These would become known as the Puma-XTP models.

Recognition for outstanding efforts supporting ground troops - Korea.


Aermacchi MB-326K aka Impala MkII.


Buccaneer Gunpack.


Business end of an Mi-25 chin cannon.


Mig CAP with Kill. Mirage F1.




I am hoping our resident munitions man can shed some light on this...


The aircraft carrying the dual stores. Atlas Cheetah, based on the Mirage III. Development heavily influenced by the Kfir.


23mm

ming-the-mazdaless fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jul 30, 2011

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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iyaayas01 posted:

Awesome pictures...what museum is that? The SAAF Museum?

I can honestly say I've never seen a set up like that, with an external tank that has a hardpoint for mounting stores underneath it. The closest thing I've seen is the FAST pack CFTs that the Strike Eagles fly with that have several hardpoints for both missiles and bombs, but that looks like an actual jettisonable fuel tank, which would increase the complexity a bit as you'd have to have communication between the hardpoint and the aircraft while still being able to jettison the entire package. Not really that hard, as a lot of PGMs and missiles face the same issue (and usually use an umbilical connector), just more complicated. On another note, I bet that thing had a shitload of interference drag.

Yup, it's the Swartkops AFB museum.
They're prefrags, there are two bombs fixed to the drop tank. It's just the mounting seems a bit odd I guess. I was trying to figure out the workings.

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ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Part 2 of the low flying Harvard (taken at Saldanha).
Click for bigger.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Not exactly cold war but I thought some folks may get a kick out of this:

http://ahrlac.com

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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NosmoKing posted:

Those little 70mm rocket launchers are compatable with the new generation of guided 70mm rockets, right? You don't exactly need a Hellfire to blow up a panel truck .
I think the APKWS relies on an avionics package though I can't see why it couldn't be integrated.
New generation hellfires come in a variety of different flavours don't they? They aren't all tank busters if I am not mistaken, and not all missions are panel truck recycling. Besides, I believe it's slated for Mokopa integration first up, which if claims hold up, gives this lightweight a 10km stand-off capability. Not an entirely useless feature in any number of mission profiles.

I'm fascinated by the concept, and would really like to see what comes of this.



grover posted:

So, it's kinda like a manned predator/reaper, but with less payload and loiter time?

Exactly. A lot cheaper though, given the infrastructure required for an adequate drone system.
I don't believe the intent is to be a drone alternative though.

ming-the-mazdaless fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Nov 23, 2011

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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grover posted:

So, it's kinda like a manned predator/reaper, but with less payload and loiter time?

Sorry to re-quote, but while looking at contemporary offerings in the AHRLAC's market, I came across this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Attack/Armed_Reconnaissance

Obviously someone thinks less payload and loiter time on a manned platform has some validity.

An entry into the competition, yes it's a crop duster:

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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TheNakedJimbo posted:

Speaking of books, this one looks hilariously self-aggrandizing, and I plan on getting a used copy once the price comes down:
http://www.amazon.com/GUNSHIP-ACE-Neall-Gunship-Mercenary/dp/1612000703/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326734762&sr=8-1

Check out the chest-puffing:

Pro-tip:
It can't be "self-aggrandizing" if it was written by someone else. AJ likes to dine on combat cock.

Ellis and Marafono are straight Gs.
The few times I've seen him (Ellis) around Freetown, he was a humble and very cool guy. I have also not heard anything to the contrary from anyone who knows him personally.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Also of interest in the fixed wing vs attack helicopters argument:
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_183.shtml

Cold war fixed wing gun kills on hinds.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Cyrano4747 posted:

Uh, you understand that when things are designed these days they generally aren't just thrown together on blueprints by an engineer and then some other engineer figures out how to put it together, right? Usually it's a whole process of basically designing the finished product and the industrial processes and tooling to build it simultaneously.

If it's something fairly simple like a stamped and welded SMG this boils down to just designing the stamp forms and cutters and jigs etc and then using existing lines to crank it out. If it's something complex like a goddamned jet fighter using composite alloys and other crazy material science poo poo, then you have a much more complicated process to just design the build process.

Given the advances in rapid prototyping and the like, I am pretty sure creating tooling from a valid reference point like a working, in-service aircraft isn't impossible. Certainly not cheap, but gosh, considering technological advances since the 70s not impossible.
You only have to look at the proliferation of computer aided design tools and skills to get some notion of how much potential is out there. A few hotshit engineers, CAD monkeys and tool makers and they should be able to turn something out.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Overwing .303 action

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Hoping iyaayas01 will weigh in on this with his informed opinion...
I've been wondering why there hasn't been a major effort to rework weapons dispensers, particularly for attack helicopters?
For instance, the Mi-28 can carry 8 ataka-v missiles on a single outer pylon, yet the Apache is limited to 4 Hellfires per pylon.
Is there any plausible reason that a review of the hellfire/hydra launch systems may result in a combination launcher that would enhance the capability of a system like the Apache?

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Phanatic posted:

I wouldn't expect it to be as simple as just reworking the dispenser, you're probably talking about some significant structural mods to the Apache airframe, which means additional weight on a type of aircraft that's already notoriously weight-limited. And if you're doing structure mods, you're talking about a flight test program, and there is essentially zero budget for rotary-wing R&D. And...for what benefit? Even if the Apache's got enough power to double its Hellfire loadout from 16 to 32, what capability does that give you to justify the cost?
The airframe can handle the weight. It's hot/high performance is questionable, but I had that in mind too.

Increasing effective range for sea based applications is the first practical benefit I can think of. Utilize inboard pylons for fuel tanks and use the outer for an enlarged weapons station. Yes, I realize the USN or USMC don't operate Apaches, but the UK does and they sea base them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M6wuZ_2Kfo

Giving a combo launcher improves options on load outs for hot/high limitations, where its the one or the other. 2 Hellfires and Hydra on a single pylon may just be something worthwhile. And seriously, why would you need more than 4 in most hot high war zones? They'll probably be thermobaric Hellfires anyway and with a stack of Hydra it would suit a CAS profile quite effectively I think.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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The link says the seekers are mounted differently to allow reuse of existing hydra warheads.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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grover posted:

At some point, you just have to trust your people. That's why they do increasingly deep background investigations, polygraphs, etc- to ensure you can trust people. The trick is knowing who to trust and who is a risk...

Not to mention that USB ports are pretty damned useful for actual legitimate business, too. I mean, it's kinda nice to be able to plug in a mouse and keyboard to a computer. Makes it a little more useful than if the ports were disabled.

Yes, they are, but you don't give unchecked access.
If there is a need to transport information there is software that will encrypt the media and allow decryption on an authorized terminal.
It's bullshit to imply you should have unchecked USB and you know it.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

This really depends on who and what scale you're talking about. Big boys like Google/Amazon have hardened and redundant networks that would make most governments jealous (complete with on-site black-start power) and while they're quieter about it I'd expect most of the banks do too.

The question with this stuff then becomes really not how much it can knock down but how long it can keep it down for. If your critical first strike is 10 seconds behind your microwave missile, it's probably not an issue. But taking stuff out the old fashioned way with high explosive requires rubble removal and physical part replacement / wire running that can keep stuff down a good while.

Do you work for google or amazon? Or just drinking the kool aid?

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Smiling Jack posted:

The first documented emp attack against a financial target that I know of was back in the '80s. They've taken steps.


I'd hope so anyway.

The steps taken probably equate to an entry in the risk register and gently caress all more than that.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Snowdens Secret posted:

The absurd lengths that Google/Amazon go to on these three points are well documented - hell, you can Google them - and don't require launching an appeal to authority.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/how-an-indonesian-isp-took-down-the-mighty-google-for-30-minutes/

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Psion posted:

This has nothing to do with ensuring data integrity, which was the point being made. Yes, DNS and several other structural underpinnings of the internet are extremely vulnerable to attack or even one mistake in the wrong place, but Google can't - at least not this week - rewrite the entire foundation of how the internet works.
It was an article of interest relating to the inherent problems faced datacenter operators that no amount of preparation regarding the earlier mentioned touchpoints will cover for. Holy gently caress, you must be a real riot to drink with.

Psion posted:

Temporarily blocking access to and destroying data held by are two very, very different things.

You don't say?

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Smiling Jack posted:

The Sourh African chem/biological weapons were intended for use on their own population, the nuclear weapons were intended as a deterrent against the Cubans and other Soviet sponsored forces.

Among other things the South Africans looked into weaponizing some sort of sterilizing agent for general use and I think they actually did weaponize MDMA for riot control.

Weaponized MDMA? Hardly.
Basson was supplying a Civil Co-operation Bureau operation manufacturing high quality MDMA and Methaqualone and selling it on the streets to dissident students and the like, it certainly drove a significant amount of so-called third force activity in the run up to 1994 but Coast was nothing more than a weak excuse. It was really good MDMA too.

Weaponized crowd control agents used by the apartheid government:
CR, Denoted as Super Doom in the units fielding it. A play on words for the local bug spray called Doom Super. Came in a black spray can with a red high volume nozzle. That poo poo was devastating enough without the inventive "open mouth for baas" style that it was used in.
CN, CS and BZ were also manufactured.

All of the above were far better, quicker acting and easier to deliver than MDMA.

As far as the delineation on on-shore biochem weapon use, there was none. Biochemical and nuclear options were both external options.

ming-the-mazdaless fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Mar 7, 2014

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Nov 30, 2005

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Koesj posted:

^^^ Lmao my mom still calls every insecticide ever 'Doom'.

Yeah; god, it's annoying.

On the subject of riot control in the days of Apartheid, those with any interest should get:
http://www.galago.co.za/CAT1_035_b.htm

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Integrated or black units serving under poo poo white South West African leadership.

32nd
31st or 201bn.
33rd or 701bn.
34th or 202bn,
35th or 101bn. QRF
36th or 203bn.
37th or 102bn.
41st or 901bn Swingforce.
61st RRF
911bn Reserves
Logistics Brigade
SWA Military School
1st SWA Specialist Unit at Otavi
Other Field Artillery

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Bacarruda posted:

Sorry about the broadness :downs:

To narrow things down a bit. London, Berlin, and Normandy are definitely on the list. In London, we'll do the IWM, Churchill War Rooms and probably do a day trip out to Duxford and/or Greenwich. In Berlin, I'd like to see the Reichstag and any of the flak towers that are left. Good to know Checkpoint Charlie a tourist trap. Normandy plans are the usual hits. Point du Hoc, Pegasus Bridge, the beaches (I'd like to see the British beaches as well as the Americans ones).

I want to get into Belgium to see Bastogne (and anything else worth seeing that's Bulge related). Probably going to hit Ypres, Mons, Waterloo, and Quatre Bras, given that everything is fairly close in that area. Might spend a couple days in Holland to see Arnhem and Njimegen, if that's worth doing.

Any ideas for stuff in Germany (we were thinking about going down to Nuremberg) and the France-Belgium area?

Don't forget the RAF Museum in London.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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No love for Warriors?
http://www.amazon.com/Warriors-Barrett-Tillman/dp/0553287354

Israel nukes KSA because Saudi F-20s kill Israeli Eagles too well.

I seem to remember another WWIII milporn jerk fest that had many US M-113s being lit up by Iranian forces with AP loads in their service rifles, but cannot recall the title. I would like to read it again, because I remember it being truly awful.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Sjurygg posted:

Were the M-113's flown underneath A-10's by any chance? :v:

gently caress that guy in every way possible. In fact, let him fly a loving shipping container into a contested LZ.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Cyrano4747 posted:

Someone refresh my memory really quick - which lovely cold-war era African conflict was it that featured E. German and/or Cuban advisors? I know there was at least one good example of that but I'm completely blanking right now.

Edit: Besides Che in the Congo. I'm pretty sure I'm vaguely recalling something about E. Germans and/or Cubans doing some poo poo in E. Africa somewhere. Maybe tied up in the Rhodesian clusterfuck? Gah.

Very relevant to your question, Piet Nortje recently released his latest book The Terrible Ones. It's a complete history of 32 Bn.
I haven't finished it, but it's remarkably neutral thus far, considering the author. A great deal of time seems to have gone into validating the Angolan, i.e. MPLA side of it, as well as the Soviet and Cuban views.
http://www.bdlive.co.za/life/books/2012/12/11/book-review-the-terrible-ones

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ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

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Groda posted:

I'm going to be super vague now:
If you're hunting for stuff about Cuba's involvement in Angola and happen to find an long, fascinating interview with a Cuban officer who was stationed there and among other things described how being sent to Angola was used as punishment for poor performance, do tell. I mentioned it to a colleague of mine and can't find it since my hd crash.

It was widely held that Cuban forces were bordering on inept during the early phases of the war, but they were certainly nearing par in terms of paper capabilities by the 80s.
I know at least one Honoris Crux citation during 75/76 Angolan ops (I want to say it was an Eland 90 commander but I don't have the book on hand) mentions Cuban soldiers had a huge appetite for the local Sativa. POWs captured hand filled their uniform pockets with as much grass as they could hold.*


*Honoris Crux - At Van Wyk

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

ZIPRA/ZANLA declined direct involvement from USSR/West Bloc/China.
Not true I am afraid.
ZIPRA was funded and mentored by the Soviets and their associates. Well funded at that given the fact that Rhodesia was, as Zimabwe is today - A nothing shithole incapable of being anything more than a giant money eating welfare baby. See the shooting down of RH827 and RH825, the Soviets were supplying Strela units and training to ZIPRA.

ZANLA was always Eastern friendly. This continues to this day with the ZANLA political descendant, ZANU-PF.
Their tactics were inspired by successes FRELIMO's fight across the Eastern Rhodesian border, and subsequently you see the ZANLA success carving out a greater slice of the electorate through the use of People's war tactics.
See also, Fifth Brigade and the Gukuruhundi.

Mzuri posted:

Most of the liberation wars across Africa featured communist advisors, but the most likely candidates, in order, are:

South African Border War (Angola/South West Africa [Namibia])
Rhodesian War (Rhodesia/Zambia/Mozambique)
Mozambiquan insurgency
Ogaden War (Somalia/Ethiopia)

Add to the list:
Tanzania - Soviet and Chinese support.
Algeria - Cuba supported the NLF. Soviet advisors
Congo - Cuban support…
Che with a Afro-Cuban soldier in the Congo, 1965. Courtesy of Wikipedia.

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