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Alchenar posted:This is what we see in reality though. To be fair to Star Trek, most of the Federation races whose backstories have been revealed are known to have united after devastating global conflicts - the Eugenics War and WW3 for the humans, the wars that lead to the Vulcan/Romulan split for the Vulcans, the Cardassian Occupation for the Bajorans (and if you've watched DS9, you know that while the Bajorans are united on paper, the reality is a tad bit more complex), etc.
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Sep 21, 2011 23:52
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Despite my Clan sympathies, upon my realization that the Clans in this timeline seem to be mostly assholes, I'll go with A.
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Sep 23, 2011 14:29
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Mukaikubo posted:Voting A because the Combine needs all the help it can get, now. The Combine getting its poo poo kicked in by the Clans is a bad thing why? Space Imperial Japan deserves Space Mongol Hordes if you ask me. Unless the Clans get wrecked by Space Typhoon on the way and Kurita names a class of suicide bombers after the event.
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Sep 23, 2011 14:39
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PoptartsNinja posted:Or pretty much everyone in the Free Worlds League. Comedy option: get to play as the Clans, and determine who gets dibs on the invasion. Clans Diamond Shark, Snow Raven, Goliath Scorpion, and Blood Spirit getting the invasion corridors, anyone?
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Sep 24, 2011 00:12
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:My question is, who do you want to direct this picture? Michael Bay. BattleTech is cheesy and demands many, many explosions. Preferably with plenty of giant robots armed to the teeth. Melodrama an optional but inevitable extra. Sounds like his kind of movie. You just know a James Cameron BattleTech movie would be visually stunning but involve the bird aliens as a bunch of technologically backward but oh-so-retarded magical space Native Americans who are ever so much better than the brutal, ignorant, humanity.
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Octatonic posted:Jeez, does no one remember the man's earlier work? Clearly it'd take place after the shelling of Turtle Bay, with an old combine woman returning to the city after many years. The whole story takes place in flashback, and is about the romance between her and a lower-caste laborer. In the end, she barely makes it out while the lasers fall on Edo. Giant stompy robots never appear, except to emphasize the extent of the destruction. Sorry. I'm here for the giant robots and attendant explosions.
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Sep 24, 2011 01:41
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:Give the man some credit. A brief history of BattleTech: for a long time, a bunch of assholes fought each other. Then some other assholes with a case of high-functioning strategic autism arrived and fought the existing bunch of assholes. They lost, so it was back to assholes fighting assholes with steadily bigger guns.
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Sep 24, 2011 01:59
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KnoxZone posted:Mechs that look like Dire Wolves, but are faster? He already said we'll be seeing a Wolf Spider...
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Sep 24, 2011 21:42
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Monitor rundown: AC/20 x2 SRM-2 x3 ICE It's a slow, seagoing Demolisher. The goonlance should know how to use dual AC/20s by now.
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Sep 24, 2011 22:28
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:Can you imagine the rage? Particularly given that 'running away' is deemed 'unfair' I can only imagine the response to one infantry dude hiding in a bush calling the hammer down. "I bid a trinary, all of Firemoth D mechs." "Accepted. Specific orders?" "Zell is off. Kill the fuckers dead."
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Sep 28, 2011 03:44
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I think I'll go with the Nova as my favorite mech. Simple, effective, and flexible.
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Oct 1, 2011 18:37
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Ultimately, Siedman has only earned his position and age by a simple maxim: firepower carries the day. A weapon's worth is measured by its reach and power, and Siedman will bring every weapon he has to bear on the Inner Sphere. Conquest is not the objective of the Clans, and especially not Clan Hell's Horses. Only destruction. And Clan Hell's Horses brings with it the legacy of a mech designed by General Kerensky himself: a Devastator IIC. The original brought a devastating one-two-three punch of gauss rifles, PPCs, and medium lasers. The Clans, and Siedman, have improved the design further. Only death awaits those foolish enough to stand in Siedman's way. Or if it has to be an assault Omni that canonically exists, then Siedman has, by dint of sheer skill, earned the right to pilot a Warhawk. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Oct 2, 2011 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:Neither of these are Omnimechs. There is no Devastator IIC - according to Sarna, the Devastator was a mech designed by Kerensky that fought in the Battle for Terra, but apparently the Clans forgot about the design because when the Devastator finally appeared, it was in Federated Whatever hands. The suggestion was that a Devastator IIC exists in your altered timeline that's an Omni. As it is, replacing the second suggestion with a Warhawk for the same reasons - a devastating long-range mech. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Oct 2, 2011 |
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I'm not sure I buy the Kingfisher as the Devastator IIC (unless the Kingfisher C is the Kingfisher Prime in this timeline), but the Kingfisher is an Omni so you can consider a vote for a Devastator IIC as a vote for a Kingfisher if you want.
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Oct 2, 2011 04:48
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Helter Skelter posted:Doesn't hurt (well, not the pilot, anyway) that those UAC/2s are backed up by a pair of ERPPCs and a LB-X/10. I was about to make an argument for the very same 'mech. From the sounds of things, Siedman will be popping up in another mission soon, piloting whatever mech we choose. Do you want him showing up in a Dire Wolf?
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Oct 2, 2011 12:48
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Remora posted:Do not ask for an easier target. Ask to become a stronger man. I've wanted us to play as the Clans for more than that one-off mission for a while, yes. 
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Pinguliten posted:Corpse eater, the eagle on top of yggdrasil? I like it! Come on. If we did that, we'd have to name one of the Clan lights the Ratatosk(r). True, naming a mech after a mythological squirrel strikes me as pretty Goony, but not sure anyone in the setting would use the name.
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This is what I get for neglecting this thread for a while. Hussars, go! Cythereal fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Nov 3, 2011 |
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On the one hand, I hate the Draconis Combine. On the other hand, I like the FWL. Tough call, and I'll be happy with either.
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Nov 3, 2011 01:25
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Now I want to change my vote back to the invasion of Luthien.  Curse you, PoptartsNinja! Why couldn't you have left these two options for separate intervanls so we could do both...
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Nov 3, 2011 02:32
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I'd probably change my vote now, but that's not allowed.
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Nov 3, 2011 03:55
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Mukaikubo posted:Probably, and it is hardly out of nowhere. I mean... the Clans in canon are pretty bad? They are inarguably villains and pricks who nobody REALLY wants to see win, and this is coming from likely the biggest clanner fanboy in the thread. And in PTN-canon, he has basically gone all out to remove all the stops and make the Clans even more reprehensible and indefensible. There is no clan left that, you know, wants to protect the Inner Sphere. The best you get is a clan or two that wants to leave the Inner Sphere alone after smashing a few dozen planets and dropping the microphone on stage. The Vipers want to use the locals to help rule after smashing everything. But the rest seem so far to be pretty unambiguously mustache-twirling villains who are only out for revenge and to wreck poo poo. The interesting betrayal-of-ideals of Kerensky possibly being a noble dude who left to keep a giant war from getting bigger is gone. The interesting hypocrisy at the core of the clans is gone. Instead we have "Kerensky gets beat like a bitch, runs away sobbing, comes back in two centuries to get revenge on those jerks" which is significantly less relatable and interesting from a metaplot perspective. I love the thread, but this is (and I have picked at this before) my single huge beef with his canon in that I feel like it has taken the already-thin sections of the Clans which are interesting and carefully cut them out with a razor. This nails why the Clans are reviled in this thread. It's like taking the Mongol Empire and removing the parts where they treated women better than any other nation of the era, maintained law and good order in the territories they controlled, and was generally a safe and decent place to live so long as you didn't piss off the rulers. The Goliath Scorpions are, I think, our best bet for some interesting Clanners to play as, but we've seen very little of them.
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Gimmick Account posted:That's a really good idea, I'm strongly in favour of it. What do our clan-loathing veterans think of this option? I'd love this. I'm in the "wanted vote for both" camp.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I am reluctant to allow two concurrent battles, though. It sets what I consider to be a bad precident, and because doing so extends the times between votes and bogs down the overall story. If people really are adamant about doing both, I could probably nix my 'next cycle' (which is still pretty ephemeral, waiting on results from this one) for another time skip / big story update. I think this is a fairly exceptional situation, though. I think people feel strongly enough about these battles that they wouldn't mind missing out on a political vote. This is certainly the most heated vote the thread's yet seen.
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evilmiera posted:Wait a minute, Solaris only got a single vote? I was almost certain more people voted for that. Maybe it's just the Solaris fan in me saying that though and coloring my memories. Maybe after we decide the fate of a couple large chunks of the galaxy the thread should decompress with some goon-on-goon mech violence on Solaris.
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Well, lessee what the good guys have... AWS-8Q Awesome 80 tons 54 kph 3x PPC 1x Small Laser ON1-K Orion 75 tons 64.8 kph 1x AC/10 1x LRM-15 2x Medium Laser 1x SRM-4 OSR-2C Ostroc 60 tons 86.4 kph 2x Large Lasers 2x Medium Lasers 1x SRM-4 GLD-4R Gladiator 55 tons 86 kph 1x PPC 2x Medium Lasers 1x SRM-6
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Nov 3, 2011 23:21
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I don't know. That Raven's electronic warfare gear is the kind of thing I could see a DM using to do all sorts of things that aren't in the exact rules, like hacking supposedly friendly turrets or spoofing missile locks.
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Nov 4, 2011 20:56
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MJ12 posted:Maybe, and this is just a crazy idea, the Raven has some enhancing ability for Listen-Kill missiles. PTN confirmed this, Goonlance. Make ready.
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After forgetting about this thread for most of a decade, and a couple of months of reading from the beginning, I've finally caught up. God drat this has been some impressive work, Poptarts. I'm still undecided about which match was my favorite. Counting Coup was a tense nail-biter won by the skin of GoonStar's teeth, Ikuta Glacier was hilarious slapstick comedy, and Sludge Factory was sheer, unadulterated carnage. No offense, but I'm hoping the NRWR loses this campaign. Aside from the assassination of Amaris VI, which doesn't seem to have changed a thing, the NRWR just plain doesn't seem to lose. I don't think we've ever seen them suffer a major reversal, and the combination of Word of Blake gear, Clan Wolverine crap, jumpship superweapons, and all the other bullshit we saw in the Demon Hawks campaign makes them way, way too special and bullshit in my opinion.
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Perhaps, but narrative weaknesses and problems don't mean a thing if the people with them still don't lose. I wouldn't have chewed through two thousand pages and change of this thread if I wasn't enjoying it, but the NRWR rubs me the wrong way.
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Xarbala posted:So yes, your distaste is understandable. They combine elements of a number of unpopular and "special" factions. My guess is that the difference for the thread readers is, well, genuine charisma in the form of a (late) Bond villain-esque figure and being the player-sympathetic POV during a rather popular mini-campaign. Whether they keep succeeding their way into true BT-Suedom or not is, well, up to the players isn't it? But for better or worse, it would be quite :battletech: if they did. Eh, the three factions I'm a fan of (the Clans, the Lyrans, and the Free World League) all do pretty much nothing but lose, in canon and the Poptarts-verse, so I suppose I'm just a bit salty.
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