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OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

SOMETHING AWFUL DEEJAYS

Hello and welcome to the wild and wonderful world of DJing. The world of DJing is vast and wide, featuring a variety of different styles of DJing. DJs can range from human iPods to musicians.

Table of Contents

1. Getting Started
2. Equipment – Hardware/Software
3. Mixing
4. Famous DJs
5. DJing outside your room
6. Links

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[1] Getting Started
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DJing is expensive, and getting started can range from free to thousands. You should already be listening to new music constantly and have a deep library of different genres of music. You should follow mixes by established DJs, watch YouTube videos of DJs performing. Eventually when you get an idea of what DJs do, then it’s on to getting equipment.

Do you have any friends or acquanitances that are DJs? If so, it is highly recommended you get familiar with DJing on someone else's gear before investing in your own. This is especially true if you are interested in DJing but don't understand the mechanics of it. This will also give you a chance to possibly trial software/hardware that would normally run you hundreds of dollars (if not more)

No laptop?

It's pretty much a given anymore that a DJ will be using a laptop computer. But if you really don't want to make the investment (or risk your existing investment) in a computer but still want to give it a try, you still have options

* Vinyl - keeping it real, oldschool. Be prepared to spend a shitton of money on music. It's called the black crack for a reason

* CDs - cheap and easy. Any CD player you come across in a club or at a party can handle CDs the same way turntables can handle vinyl. Be warned that older models do *not* handle data disks burned with MP3s. Play it safe and burn audio CDs instead

* Flash drives - if you are lucky enough to have access to some of the newer high-end model CDJs (such as the Pioneer CDJ 2000s), it's possible to simply load up a USB flash drive with music, plug in, and play. I've been told by my cohorts at Beatport that this is how Fedde Le Grande tours

Laptop options

I'd classify the laptop DJing spectrum into the following categories:

* DVS (digital vinyl system) - The heavy hitters here are Serato Scratch Live (SSL) and Traktor Scratch Pro (TSP). Each of these packages allow you to take advantage of existing turntables or CD players using special time coded media to control the music from your laptop.

* Controller-based systems - Those same software packages also allow for control via external controller devices, especially useful if you are starting from scratch and don't already have turntables or CD players. The controllers range from the cheap and flimsy (such as the Hercules) to the ridiculous behemoths (such as the Traktor S4).

* "Live" setups - If you're interested in doing more than just mixing between songs, Ableton Live is the weapon of choice here. Rather than playing full songs, you can deconstruct them into individual parts and make something completely original that is generally not possible in your traditional "ones and twos" DJ approach. Sasha is a well-known A-list DJ that has gone this route, and pretty much any electronic "live" act is probably using this software in some fashion. This is also a preferred approach to people who are largely performing their own original music rather than just playing other peoples. The controller options here are quite a bit more varied, and yes, cover a large price spectrum too

* DVS/hybrid setups - Just because you are using a DVS doesn't mean you can't also incorporate a controller for added flexibility. In my case, I use the Traktor X1 controller alongside TPS to allow me to set loops and do effects on the fly while doing a traditional timecode DJing setup


Audio Interfaces

One thing is likely a given if you go the laptop route: You're gonna need a better soundcard. The ones built into laptops tend to be noisy, high-latency, not to mention they are limited to one input/output. DVS packages like Serato and Traktor come bundled with a hardware interface which takes some of the complexity out, as do some of the more serious controllers (such as the S4) that give you a bit of "all in one" convenience.

If you're just starting out with the basics or perhaps trialing these software packages, a proper external audio interface is a worthwhile investment. I personally think that Native Instruments (maker of Traktor) produces amazing hardware and you really can't go wrong. TSP comes with the Audio8 (4 ins, 4 outs), the smaller Audio4 and Audio2 models can be had for a lower price without sacrificing quality

What computer should I use?

Mac. Just take our word for it, and look at any picture of a DJ and you will see a Mac Book Pro.


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[2] Equipment and Software
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IM JUST STARTING OUT AND DON’T WANT TO SPEND ANYTHING!!!

Try out a trial version of Traktor: http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=tprodemoversion

Try out a trial version of Serato : http://serato.com/downloads

Try out DJay [OSX Only]: http://www.algoriddim.com/djay-mac

Try out Virtual DJ: http://www.virtualdj.com/download/free.html

Try out Ableton: http://www.ableton.com/downloads

Play around with the software for free before buying anything. Your best bet is to try out a friends setup if you can, or go to Guitar Center/DJ Store.

Okay, I’ll spend some money. ~$300

Buy a midicontroller that can use some functions of your chosen DJ Program. I’d recommend the Traktor X1, or a Korg Kontrol. I’d recommend that you buy a midicontroller first because if you buy cheap/used equipment, because if you upgrade you’re losing money; whereas If you buy a midicontroller and a upgrade, then you have a midicontroller to complement your DJ setup.

gently caress that I got loonies to blow

• If you want to use turntables, then you will probably have to find them used as only Numark makes highend turntables now (TTX-USB). Look for used Technics 1200s. Then you will need to get a mixer, and a DVS (Traktor/Serato).
• If you want to use a midicontroller (DJ Setup with soundcard that works 1:1 with software). Look for a ITCH controller like NS7/NS6, or Traktor certified controller like the S4 or VCI-300. These controllers just need to be connected to a computer via USB, they will not work otherwise
• If you want to use CDJs, check out used Pioneer CDJs, or the current CDJs of the 850/900/2000 along with a mixer. There’s also Denon, but Pioneer is the industry standard for CDJs. Be prepared to DROP A LOT OF MONEY

Headphones?

Don’t buy Dr.Dre beats. You should spend a lot of money on headphones as you want high quality moniters because you’ll be using them a lot. Technics makes good headphones, and Pioneer has the HDJ-1000/2000s that are very solid. There’s the previous industry standard of the Sony 700s but they break easily. There’s also the highly preferred Sennheiser HD-25, but they aren’t swivel cups.

What speaker should I buy

If you just want to DJ in your room you can get cheap speakers, or accurate monitor speakers for around $300. If you want to play out, then there lots of different options to choose from depending on how serious you are. If you’re just doing college house parties then get cheap stuff off craigslist. If you plan on gigging and need a durable and dependable PA system, then buy the powered/active mobile DJ line from Mackie (SRM) or JBL (EON).

Should I use Musician’s Ear Plugs

YES. If you value your hearing get Musicians Ear Plugs made. They make special earplugs that prevent harmful DB from PERMANENTLY RUINING your hearing. THERE ARE LOTS OF DUMB DJS THAT DON’T WEAR EAR PLUGS, DON’T JOIN THE SOON-TO-BE VOLUNTARILY DEAF IDIOT SQUAD.

Get a pair of these and keep them in your bag. In fact, get several pairs, they are drat cheap. They have flat frequency response and don't sound "muffled" like traditional cheap foam earplugs.

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.html



Also see http://www.hearnet.com/ for custom molded plugs

Vanilla Slimfast posted:

I always wear these when I'm at the club and not playing. It's not as good as getting custom molded plugs with interchangable filters, but it's a good start. As someone who's been DJing for a long time and spent far too many nights in front of loud speakers with no protection, I can tell you that tinitus sucks really bad. Mine is not quite to the point where it's preventing me from living my life, but I certainly don't want it to get any worse.


Whats up with Serato, Traktor, or Ableton?? WHAT ONE DO I USE??

This article provides the most information pertaining to this subject: http://www.djtechtools.com/2011/01/25/battle-of-the-1s-and-0s-traktor-vs-ableton-vs-serato/

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[3] DJing
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What quality of MP3s should I be using

320 KPS.

What is MIXING?

Matching two songs using their speed (BPM) and/or musical key.

Whats that record scratching stuff

Skratching/Turntablism is a percussionist technique by manipulating the vinyl record with crossfader to create unique sounds, or Skratching. Skratch DJs, and sometimes referred to as Battle DJs due to the completion (DMC) they compete in are not mix DJs. Skratch DJs aren’t concerned with mixing, playing top40 or anything of that nature, and definitely lie of the musicianship side of DJs. They are primary concerned with creating experimental tracks by manipulating records. Skratch DJing is difficult and very technical and doesn’t translate into being famous club dj. Most Skratch DJs are obscure, and the popularity of the style has been on the decline with decline of turntable production.

What is master tempo (key correction) and should I use it?

A common feature of all modern CD players and DJ software is known as key correction. On the ubiquitous pioneer CDJs it's labeled as "master tempo." So what does it do exactly? It uses an algorithm known as "time stretching" to maintain the same pitch of a song while still speeding it up or slowing it down based on the pitch fader. This means that there won't be the characteristic audible effect you normally would hear on a track that's been pitched down or up (e.g. chipmunk-y vocals). There are two good reasons to use this feature if it's available to you:

* For harmonic mixing, it's a must. Without it, tracks will actually end up in between keys or in a completely different key depending on how much you're pitching up or down. A good rule of thumb is that at 120bpm you're going to move roughly a half-step in key for every 3 percent of pitch

* For mixing on CDJs in a non-vinyl emulation mode (e.g. the lower-end CDJs or in "CDJ" mode on the 800/1000/2000s), it counteracts the audible pitch bend you hear when adjusting via the jog wheel.

If you are using CDJs with timecode in Serato Scratch or Traktor Scratch, be sure to leave master tempo *off* or it will gently caress up the tracking of the timecode and your software won't know what the gently caress

Harmonic mixing

What is harmonic mixing? It's an advanced technique of DJing whereby you are not just mixing tracks together that are the same tempo and style, but also in compatible musical keys. If you are playing in styles that are heavily melodic (e.g. trance) or heavily vocal (e.g. house), it can make an appreciable difference to the quality of your mixing.

Plenty of information available at this website, including how camelot notation works: http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/

Lots of DJs swear by this software (myself included) I'd say it's about 80% accurate which is as good as you're going to get unless you have perfect pitch and can harmonically mix by ear: http://www.mixedinkey.com/

WHATS WITH ALL THOSE WHACKY REMIXES/EDITS TAGS

Usually song titles when changed go by: SONG NAME (DJ NAME TYPE OF REMIX)

Remix – The song’s instrumental and/or acapella is altered from the original
Re-Fix – Only a small part of the song is altered
Re-Drum – The song’s drum tempo is altered
Dutch Edit – The song’s structure is remixed to a Dutch house style
Big Room Edit – The song’s structure is remixed to a Trance style
Hype Edit – Fat Man Scoop or samples that “hype” the crowd up mixed into the song
Transition – Two songs with a large difference in BPM with a produced bridge between them (AKA 128 BPM songs slows down to 101)

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[4] Famous DJs
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Club/ Concert DJs

DJ Z-Trip – The original “Mash Up” or “Blend” DJ. Check out Uneasy Listening Vol 1 & 2, DJ residency in Vegas

DJ Vice – Talented Club DJ

DJ AM (RIP) – Most famous celebrity DJ, also talented party rocker

DJ Enferno – The new breed of hybrid Skratch/Ableton DJ. Very talented.

Lil Jon – Yes, he’s always been a DJ and a decent one too.

DJ Shadow – Very experimental DJ, check out his vast library songs

DJ Jazzy Jeff – Will Smith’s DJ, also a great DJ

DJ Kool Herc – OG DJ, original NY Block Party DJ. Creator of using extending breaks by juggling.

Cut Chemist – Skratch DJ, Jurrassic 5 and Ozomalti

Roonie G – Pioneer’s sponsored DJ, extremely talented CDJ

Girl Talk – Clip DJ, aka plays very short samples of songs using a ableton type program


Skratch DJs
DJ Fly - French DMC Champion

DJ Rafik - England DMC Champion

DJ Shiftee – US DMC Champion

DJ Qbert – Master Skratch DJ. Check out “Wave Twisters”

Mix Master Mike – Beastie Boy’s DJ, taught Qbert how to Skratch

DJ A-Trak – Youngest Winner of DMC, Kanye West’s DJ, Fools Gold Records

DJ Craze – 3x DMC Champion , Slow Roast Records

Grandmaster Flash – Creator of scratching

Rob Swift – Skratch DJ, invented Skratch notation.

Cut Chemist – Skratch DJ, Jurrassic 5 and Ozomalti

Roc Raida (RIP) – Famed Skratch DJ

Invisbl Skratch Piklz – DJ Group

X-Ecutioners – DJ Group

Other

Steve Aoki – Crowdsurfer DJ

DJ Pauly D – Trash, watch his videos to avoid to being him

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[5] DJing outside your room
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Like any other artistic endeavor, getting gigs is more than just having talent or skill. It's all about who you know. If you're just starting out this can be pretty daunting. A few helpful hints:

* Socialize. You're never going to get booked if you never leave your bedroom
* Network. Get to know people involved in your local scene. Other DJs and bartenders/bouncers/club staff are a good start.
* Help out. Get to know the people throwing events and offer to help. You'd be surprised how far flyering, doing an airport run to pick up a dj, or setup/teardown can get you. But most importantly, be humble and friendly and keep your expectations in check.
* Band together. Get a crew of like-minded individuals together to help pool resources and effort into getting a night going. There is a reason that promoters and DJ collectives are so pervasive, it's hell of a lot easier than trying to do everything on your own

Wicked Walrus posted:

In my experience: it's who you know. Which can suck for sure, but that's life. In general, managers don't give a gently caress about how well you can mix, they don't give a gently caress about your song selection... they care about how many people you can a) get to pay cover (if applicable) and b) get to buy drinks. This also sucks because you have to become a promoter instead of just a DJ, and promoting can really suck when you just want to play tunes.

Honestly, most of the parties I've been involved with have been sold to the bar owner/manager based on numbers and popularity of older parties. They haven't asked for DJ mixes ever. Basically if you want to DJ, you need to convince a venue that you can bring in enough money on that night to make it worthwhile.

It's not great to work for free at a place if they're making money, but it's also not a terrible idea to offer yourself for the cost of PA rental to get something off the ground. In general just remember to frame it in terms of "you're going to make money" and you shouldn't have a problem (unless, of course, that turns out not to be the case).

So there you have it, either know someone inside the DJ world that will take a chance on you, promote/throw your own parties, or talk to a bar owner. I’d recommend having professional looking business cards designed in combo with a mixtape on CD/Flashdrive.

Links helpful concerning DJing out:

How to launch a club night: http://www.djtechtools.com/2010/10/17/how-to-launch-a-club-night-part-1/
Building your club night and DJ career: http://www.djtechtools.com/2010/09/06/building-your-club-night-and-dj-career-with-guest-djs/
Self promotion: http://www.djtechtools.com/2010/08/09/self-promotion-tools-for-djs/#more-7298

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[6] Links
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http://www.qbertskratchuniversity.com - Online DJ School; Skratching Oriented

Blogs:

http://www.beezo.net - DJ Mixes
http://www.skratchworx.com - Skratch DJ oriented equipment/software blog
http://www.djtechtools.com - Controller DJ oriented blog

Stores:

http://www.agiprodj.com
http://www.djtechtools.com


Music Blogs:

http://www.beezoblog.com

Digital storefronts

Are you jacking your mp3s from p2p or blogs? Stop it. Buy your music and support the artists. Some good digital download stores to choose from

Beatport - Caters to every EDM genre and are well known for house and techno. Also responsible for giving Deadmau5 his big break. Full disclosure: I used to work there

Juno Download - UK-based. Digital download offshoot of Juno Records storefront

Stompy - Heavy focus on house music

Traxsource - Heavy focus on house music

Bleep - Started by the folks behind the record label Warp. Sells FLAC files(!)

Zero Inch - A newer European-based storefront.

What People Play - Another Euro storefront. I believe this is an offshoot of an old physical distribution company

DJ Download - Another UK site. Honestly surprised they're even still around

Record Pools :

https://www.crooklynclan.net
https://www.ratedh.net
https://www.crack4djs.com
https://www.clubkillers.com
https://www.djcity.com

Resources for obsessive vinyl collectors
Although the advance of CD player and digital vinyl (DVS) software have largely made the traditional vinyl approach to DJing basically obsolete, there are plenty of people out there that actually play records, or at least collect them. There are also quite a few labels or producers that choose *not* to release content digitally.

Here are a few great resources for the Rob Gordon in all of us.

Discogs - The ultimate discography site. Everything you could ever possibly want to know about artists, labels, and releases. Even if you're not a record collector, it's a useful resource for learning more about artists you may like, as people using aliases and working in group is very common in EDM. Also boasts a very active marketplace for buying and selling

GEMM - Essentially an ebay/storefront aggregator for record collectors. Great for tracking down that elusive limited pressing on the clear vinyl or whatever.

Ikea Expedit - Technically it's a bookshelf but it's pretty much the perfect thing to hold your record collection. Comes in several different configurations such as 5x5, 4x4, and 4x2. Be prepared to pay a pretty penny for shipping one if there isn't an Ikea store nearby

Square Deal Online - Store with a bunch of useful vinyl supplies like replacement sleeves, shelf dividers, etc
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[7] Misc
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What's the deal with Beatport's pricing?

Beatport has three price tiers:

$2.49 (USD) - New, exclusive content. Labels that have exclusive deals with Beatport usually have it for 4 or 8 weeks from the time of the release. So if you can wait, the price will eventually go down
$1.99 (USD) - New, non-exclusive content
$1.49 (USD) - General content, back-catalog

The $1.00 WAV fee applies regardless of the base price.


Thanks to Vanilla Slimfast, That Wicked Walrus, That drat Dog

OG KUSH BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Mar 8, 2011

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OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

Sending mix to the internet.

How to properly record a Mix

A few handy tips related to recording a demo:

* Audacity is a free, open source audio editing/recording program that will do the trick. No, you don't need pro-tools or anything like that. If you use a DVS like Serato or Traktor you can record your mix within the software, permitting hardware. If you have Serato, I would reccomend getting Ableton to take full use of the bridge.

* Use the highest quality source material as possible. 128kbit limewire mp3s are not your friend. The default is usually AIFF, which you can import to Audacity and reduce.

* Use an external audio interface if possible. Your built-in soundcard may be quite a bit more noisy due to proximity to other components in your computer (test it and see).

* Always be sure to record into a "line in" input and *not* mic in. Microphone inputs are usually mono and usually have a ridiculous gain, which sounds awful for line-level signals

* Always use a record-out or other "clean feed" output from your DJ mixer whenever possible. Some mixers that have RCA outputs tend to gain the gently caress out of the signal depending on your master mix level (the older pioneers are notorious for this)

* Before you get set to actually record, be sure to level check. Get your loudest track and put it full up on the mixer and see how loud it comes in on the recording. Your goal should be to keep your average signal level at -6db with peaks going no higher than -3db.

* Remember that the point of the gain knobs on a mixer is to allow you to pre-match levels so that 100% up on the fader is the same for both tracks. Many DJ software packages can pre-gain for you, taking some of the guesswork out of level matching

* For the love of all that is holy, do NOT push your recording into the red (past 0db). This is known as clipping because you are literally chopping the peaks of your waveforms off, resulting in distortion. Once this information has been chopped off, it is impossible to recover.

* The more even your recording level at the start, the less post-production you'll need to do. Remember that mixing is additive, so always try to counteract every increase in volume/eq on one channel with a decrease on the other during your mixes.

* Ok, all set? Go ahead and record your set. What you should have now is a nice shiny waveform that you can do further work on.

* First thing I'd recommend doing after recording is trimming off any leading or trailing silence.

* Second, run a simple normalization on the entire waveform at -0.01 db. This will bring the entire level of the audio up such that the loudest part of the waveform is now at essentially 0db. If you kept your levels in check, this should give you a nice even boost in volume across the board.

* If you didn't (e.g there is one part of the recording that is significantly louder than the rest), you won't be able to gain much with normalization. At that point, you'll need to resort to compression/limiting, which can give you more of a boost at the expense of some dynamic range. Use with care

* Now that you have your cleaned up and "mastered" recording, what to do with it? Burn it to CD? Encode to a portable format for internet distribution?

* For cd burning, be sure to include track markers. Nothing worse than getting a CD with a single, 74 or 80 minute track on it that you can't skip through. Pretty much every major audio burning program supports inserting track splits. I've had good luck with Nero Burning Rom under Windows, but have yet to find a proper equivalent in OSX. If you're handing out a CD, a tracklisting/cover/other info is also nice. Bare CDs are less likely to get listened to.

* For encoding to MP3, be sure to use LAME as the encoder. There is a plugin version for Audacity that lets you export straight to MP3 at any quality level right on the fly. Neat! -V2 or 192kbit CBR will probably be sufficient, 320k is probably overkill


WHERE DO I SEND MY MIX? I WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR IT SO I BECOME FAMOUS AND SLEEP WITH EVERY GIRL IN THE CLUB!!!

There's quite a few choices of where you can upload your mix:

Your own hosting!
DropBox - http://www.dropbox.com
SoundCloud - http://www.soundcloud.com
Mix Cloud - http://www.mixcloud.com
Fairtilizer - http://official.fm/
Beezo - http://www.beezo.net - $20 to upload a mix

OG KUSH BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Feb 3, 2011

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

SA DJ Directory:

If you want to be in the directory post with the following details (if you want):

Username:
DJ Name:
Website:
Twitter:
Facebook:
Experience:
Location:
Genre:

Mixes:
***URL HERE***

I will update as needed.

MAKE SURE YOU PM ME as I will probably not update stuff I see in the thread

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Username: vanilla slimfast
DJ Name: Bones
Website: http://bones.dj/
Twitter: @vanillaslimfast
Experience: 13 years
Location: Denver, CO

Mixes (Soundcloud): http://bones.dj/


Username: chrix
DJ Name: DJ Hollow Point
Website: https://www.indymojo.com/g9 & http://www.boost.fm/djs/hollowpoint/index.html
Twitter: @djhollowpoint
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/djhollowpoint
Experience: 4 years (dnb, primarily)
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Hardware Setup: 2x Tech 1200s, Serato Scratch (might be handy if people want to ask specific questions via PM)

Mixes:
https://www.soundcloud.com/djhollowpoint
https://www.mixcloud.com/djhollowpoint


Username: GbrushTwood
DJ Name: The Vandal Squad
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/thevandalsquad
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/thevandalsquad
Experience: 6 years
Location: Hollywood, CA

Mixes:
http://www.soundcloud.com/thevandalsquad


Username: Sjoewe
DJ Name: Avex Lemarto
Website: http://www.soundcloud.com/sjoewe
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/sjoewe
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/manmetdehamer
Experience: 5 years
Location: Utrecht, the Netherlands

Mixes:
http://www.soundcloud.com/sjoewe


Username: KillerJunglist
DJ Name: DJ Maru/the KillerJunglist
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/!/pages/DJ-Maru/121941694498402
Experience: 9 years
Location: Chicago, IL

Mixes:
http://killerjunglist.mindsay.com/
http://www.mixcloud.com/Killerjunglist/

Username: Rivfader
DJ Name: Figure 8
Website: https://www.soundcloud.com/figure-8
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/rivfader
Experience: 7 years
Location: Utrecht, the Netherlands
Genre: Techno

Mixes:
https://www.soundcloud.com/figure-8


Username: nexxai
DJ Name: Simon Future
Website: http://flawedlogic.org
Twitter: @nexxai
Facebook: http://facebook.com/SimonFuture/
Experience: 15 years
Location: Calgary, Canada
Genre:[ Progressive trance/progressive house

Mixes:
http://mixcloud.com/SimonFuture/
http://flawedlogic.org

OG KUSH BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Apr 5, 2011

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

I updated the OP(IE copied Vanilla Slimfast Posts), send me a PM if you want to be in the DJ directory.

I'll add more about Record pools in the coming days.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

h_double posted:

I don't want to get into a huge audiophile tangent, but if you are at all serious about DJing as anything other than learning the tools and playing around in your bedroom, there's no reason you should be using mp3, ever. All the big DJ web shops sell music in wav or FLAC format for a bit extra (usually around 50 cents or 1 dollar US) and disk space is dirt cheap.

Mp3 is a lossy codec (think jpg vs. png); it achieves smaller file size by smoothing out some data in a way which is not very noticable by a casual listener, but the data loss is there (in the form of less detail and accuracy in frequency response and stereo image), and can become much more noticable when played on a good soundsystem (similar to how an xvid or mp4 video file can look great on your phone, but becomes a smudgey mess on a big-screen TV). Also, any imperfections in an mp3 can become more audible when you alter the way the sound is played, like playing it at a different speed/pitch.

I don't know a DJ that uses Wavs or FLACs, even ones that play in festival settings. No one uses FLACs with Traktor because they don't have IDv3, and there's problem with stuttering frames. They aren't compatible with Serato (You have to convert to Apple Lossless).

DJs aren't conducting a symphony in Carnegie Hall, they'll playing loud bass heavy music for crowd of people that's been drinking, smoking, or popping pills. Those people don't suddenly get offended because the DJ is using 320 KPS instead of FLAC and storm out of the building to demand their money back.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

Anyone interested in doing a monthly mixtape challenge?

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

Yea, contest will probably end up lovely although if everyone does a 10 minute mix as a pass around project and adds on to it, that could be pretty interesting.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

So in a nutshell, Traktor 2 borrowed a whole bunch of the mainstay features from Serato. Looking at the most recent Serato survey (its online at their site now), looks like they plan to do NI the same courtesy.

ProffesorBX, can you explain if there's a real difference between the 1Khz CV from Serato vs the 2Khz from Traktor?

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

What new Mac Book Pro would you guys recommend for Serato for Bridge/ maybe Video SL use?

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

The rule of thumb is that it's usually a watt per person, and 2 watts per person if its outside.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

quote:

you sho about that?

Are you sure its not some multiple of that?

a 1000w b52 certainly isnt enough for 1000 people, hell, i use a 3000w system for about 300 people all the time and id like it to be a little more. and i use a ~7000w system all the time and its never enough for a decent sized room.

I think maybe you mean 10w=1person.

I have 2 Mackie SRM450v2, they get pretty drat loud and the sound is amazingly clear. I would recommend them. I previously had JBL EON G2s and they were beasts.

You can definitely hear them from a block away.

OG KUSH BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Feb 17, 2011

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Jan 4, 2011

Vector 7 posted:

I got another DJ to switch from Serato to Ableton. Once he got his head around warping he realized how much it rocks.

Why have one when you can use both? That's why I like The Bridge.


VVVV Game Set Match

OG KUSH BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Feb 17, 2011

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Jan 4, 2011

LouietheCuban posted:

i'm curious to see how other ableton dj's organize their sets. i've spent so much time color coding my set and making custom effects that if for some reason the .als file gets corrupted, i would probably go insane

duplicate .als sets

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

oredun posted:

yeah, thats 800 watts, not nearly enough for 800 people. not even close to enough. they would be suited more like 80-100 w/o sub at most, and like 200 with sub at most.

If your goal is to be as deafeningly loud as possible I guess.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

melee beats posted:

So something with my Serato boned me pretty bad in front of about 600 people last night. First, I lost tracking on a live record randomly (cleaned stylus, checked connections and everything) so I had to switch to INT. Then it happened again. I switched needles (from Ortofons to M44s) and it happened again later, even with a strong signal. My left deck kept jumping in Serato (no, not the needle) when I was trying to drop records. This isn't the first time this has happened to me either, and it's annoying as gently caress, especially because I played four hours with an NS7 previously and had 0 problems. Anyone have any suggestions when this happens? It really only happens when I play out, and I make sure everything is calibrated.

How loud was the music? I've had problems where the booth was lovely made so the vibrations from the speaker system just poo poo all over the calibration.

When calibrating did you turn the music up to the normal volume you would be playing at and then hit the [EST] so the threshold would be properly calibrated?

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

melee beats posted:

The booth was lovely and some dude jumped on it and it caused the needle to jump, so yeah that was a problem as well, but in soundcheck at full volume was when I calibrated. Does the play marker get jumpy when it's not calibrated correctly?

Yeah, because it doesn't know where to set the threshold to compensate for typical needle movement in your environment. Were all the songs analyzed and what's the buffer size set at? Did you have Hi-Fi re-sampler on?

I've had this happen to me as well numerous times, and it's always due to the fact that they had someone design a booth that's absolute poo poo. Unfortunately the the vast majority of booths are designed this way, which is why once they design a better NS7 I will be jumping ship to midi controllers and keeping my turntables at home.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

melee beats posted:

What's wrong with it now? I love everything except the fact that there's 7" platters and not 12", which makes for weird scratching (for me at least).

Well mostly for the reason you mentioned, the lack of VSL/Bridge for ITCH, and buying a separate EFX unit is kinda wonky. I like the NS6 a lot, and it shows me by next NAMM they will have taken the best of the NS6/NS7 and the NS8 will be mindbogglingly awesome. The problem with MIDI controllers is that they're pegged to hardware and Serato/Traktor come up with new features every two years that date them considerably. Considering ITCH has been changing a lot, I would rather sit and wait.

I was about to go out and buy the Pioneer MIDI controller until they mentioned that it didn't have 4 turntables and it cost as much as a CDJ-2000... and at that price I would rather have a CDJ 2000.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

The DJM-900 Nexus is stupid, pretty much its extremely overpriced DJM-800 if you don't use Traktor and CDJs.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

AKP posted:

I currently have no gear other than my mac, what I'm trying to do is purchase the DJM-900s or the Denon x1600s then have them hooked up to my mac. I'm already planning on purchasing the Traktor X1. I just don't want to waste my money on CDJs, I'll just use my computer.

If you didn't start on traditional hardware, or have a huge hard on for skratching than don't buy traditional a dj equipment. Listen to ProfessorBx. Go with a S4 or NS6/7.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

qirex posted:

Counterpoint:


putting this in the OP

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

melee beats posted:

This is what is hilarious to me. The only way you can really get away with constantly breaking new stuff and generally playing whatever the gently caress you want is if people are there solely to see you perform and that's what you are known for. Everyone thinks they are this caliber. That's the problem with so many DJs - you aren't a superstar, people aren't there to see how zany "eclectic" you are.

You are forgetting the fact that most DJs are poo poo DJs. Some guy I know that just "became" a DJ has a bunch of videos of him "DJing". The videos are just him walking around with a bottle of goose pouring shots into peoples mouths (he has a loving entourage in the dj booth) while a premixed CD turns around on his CDJ and he randomly hits a color effect on the 800, oh yeah and everyone is treating him like hes the poo poo.

The club DJ scene has turned into a circus show full of a douchebag clowns like Pauly D and sideshow mask wearing faggots that wanna be the next deadmau5. The fact that a piece of poo poo like Pauly D can get ranked higher on America's best DJ opposed to someone actually talented like DJ Kue is mind boggling.

If you're a DJ that wants to have some integrity, your only avenue as of now is small indie shows or music festivals. The online mixshow circuit is one thing, but getting exposure is excruciatingly difficult if you're not hack producer.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

That Wicked Walrus posted:

Or you can just focus on your local scene? I know a lot of talented dudes and ladies who play exactly what they want here.

Northern California isn't exactly the easiest place to get showtime around, considering (IMO, not fact based) it probably has the highest concentration of DJs in the United States. I know lots of guys that travel great distances around the bay just to play. The SFPD is infamous for seizing DJs laptops equipment, Oakland is just dangerous, the south bay is quiet. Never been to Sacramento, but maybe its better there.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

oredun posted:

i find it fascinating you think your "keeping it real." i do the same thing as everyone else, but better. and i have long term gigs, and im one of the DJs "you talk to" if your trying to get in on the circuit. and people try to do my gigs for 20 less all the time, but then i ask for 50$ more and keep my job.

because im good.

ive played for three years as a loving professional, and ive made amazing money and paid my way through college while doing a shitload of drugs and stupid other stuff, and i have top of the line equipment, paid for by DJing.

ive seen hundreds of people like you. tell me im a sell out, blah blah, the "scene" loves you and cares about you. BUT BUT BUT I GET TO PLAY WHATEVER I WANT, YOU JUST PLAY RADIO BULLSHIT!!

yeah me too, but i play hits, poo poo anyone but stupid broke hippies want to hear(this is a college town...), respect, "goodwill", none of that poo poo is real. if you didnt come back next week, noone would give a gently caress. noone thinks better of you because you play the neatest BP top10 tunes.

i think you may be the one that thinks theyre the awesome "real" DJ but really, are probably not, and i thought your posts are cool, but DJs that talk about how they are better than other DJs because of the music they play? completely out of line.

if you came and saw me playing at a bar/club i know you would think im a sell out sorry gently caress and you hate this music, BUT drat THE GIRLS ARE HOT!!

playing once a month is not "playing gigs", playing once a week is getting alot closer, playing 150-200 shows a year for 3-4 years is being a real DJ. i think that might be something we disagree on.

/dj rant, sorry i took this out on you, i run into this all the time, it makes me very angry.

Charlie Sheen is a SA poster and a DJ :stare:

quote:

I play out in SF and Berkeley at least once a month. What kind of poo poo do you play?

That SFPD thing was just at afterhours parties IIRC, I haven't heard about it recently. But yeah gently caress that, the Fire Marshall has been cracking down on other poo poo recently... they really do seem to hate nightlife here. They've been giving venues trouble with capacities recently, which sucks.

I can play anything, usually EDM focused though. I've kinda drifted into Dubstep, but personally I think dubstep is really boring to DJ. I like hip hop, but I hate bay area rap (90% of its crap). I haven't DJ'd out close to a year now, I'm just not a fan of the current "Bottle Service" club scene. I've recognized that if I want to do something I like to do I have to go the hybrid producer/dj route which is what I'm working on now.

OG KUSH BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 8, 2011

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Jan 4, 2011

Quincy Smallvoice posted:

remember kids you're only as good as your equipment.



I really wish they would stop taking DJ photos with equipment thats not plugged in, like that one Tiesto music video.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

I just got accepted into the ClubKillers.com record pool, it's probably the best record pool there is and I reccomend that everyone fill out an application to get in. They got a lot of amazing stuff in there.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

Does anyone know of a good mass tagging app for OSX?

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

I like my DJM 800, but like anyone I had to replace the faders because stock pioneer faders are beyond poo poo quality. I was really hoping that the 68 would be great but it failed the Rane quality test for the sheer amount of problems people are still having with it. I haven't seen the inside of the new 900, but I assume that it will still have a lot of problems the 800 has because Pioneer is retarded.


VVVVV Wow. Probably gonna get pushed back even further with the Tsunami issue going on too.

OG KUSH BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Mar 19, 2011

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Jan 4, 2011


Lots of key clashing going on in there

Hey anyone by chance used the new innofader pro? I think my current one is on it's way out from prying it open and cleaning it too much.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

I think I'm gonna jump from Serato to the new version of Traktor 2 next month. The new version of Traktor really outdates Serato's feature set. I really like the soft synching feature along with the ability to use the X1 and Maschine.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

TheWevel posted:

If they got rid of having to beatgrid every single track before you could even look at the sync meters, I may give it a shot. That was my biggest problem with using Traktor Scratch Pro. I may give it a shot anyway, the upgrade from TSP is only $80.

Also the MIDI control of Scratch Live with the X1 isn't terrible. It works pretty well for me.

My midi settings on serato for my x1 are constantly being knocked out/clashing. Its really annoying and the only solution is to delete the midi folder and let serato recreate.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

The Dark Wind posted:

So would it be a smarter idea overall to invest in CDJs?

Nope

quote:

So far I've just used Traktor with a Mixtrack, but I want to move up, and I wouldn't be too upset if I had to forego being digital, although I'm wondering if that's practical. I want quality, widely accepted gear that'll last me for a while, so I'm willing to shell out a couple of extra bucks to get some of the upper-tier CDJs as well as a decent mixer. Is that a good idea at all? I'm still getting used to the pace at which this industry moves in, so I'm not entirely sure on which direction to move in.

Industry standard hasn't existed since 2003, use what you think will work best for you. Grab a midi controller of some sort that you like is the best advice I can give you.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

:siren: Traktor 2 owns :siren:

I hope this lights a fire under the rear end of the workers at Serato, in meantime though I'm gonna pick up Traktor Scratch Pro 2.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

net work error posted:

What makes it better than Scratch Live? I've used both and kind of prefer SL but I'd like to know the capabilities compared to Scratch Live.

I could write paragraphs, but I would reccomend downloading the demo from the website and seeing for yourself. In short, they really nailed alot of things that Serato does well that they didn't before and then accomplished a lot of the things Serato 2.0/Bridge are still iffy on.

For reference, I strongly disliked Traktor before Traktor 2.0

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

LouietheCuban posted:

Does anyone know if there has been an ableton dj (not production)/"controllerism" thread? I had a promoter give me poo poo today because of my ableton set up, and it made me more determined to make my set-up even more awesome.

we can share pictures and techniques it would be super fun!!!!

It's probably because Ableton DJs do either one of two things: Blow the set up or bomb out and chances are if you're not a producer doing music festivals its usually the latter. Ableton just isn't flexible in a club environment which demands fast and speedy mixing.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

net work error posted:

I don't use any controllers (CDJ's and mixer setup simply pulling music from SL in absolute mode) when I mix so do you think these new features would benefit people with that type f setup? Either way I'll download the demo and give it a shot.

If you mix house or any other type of EDM, then not using Traktor is dumb IMO.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

How do you guys organize your libraries?

I finally cleaned mine up, organized everything and deleted everything that wasn't 320 or FLAC.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

I'm one of the few weirdo DJs I guess that hates iTunes and keeps everything in folders separate from it. I only use iTunes to check a batch of MP3s to make sure everything is 320/tagged correctly. Other than that I like to keep iTune's grimy hands off my stuff.

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

vas0line posted:

My next gig is a friend's college graduation party in a few weeks, cross-genre mashup blah blah blah stuff. My music collection is pretty monstrous, but there is always a request I don't have. Typically, I just Amazon MP3 the tune on the spot (provided there's a wireless network), which works pretty well because Amazon kicks rear end.

However, I've been considering just running iTunes in the background to allow people to see my music collection on their phones and request songs that way if they don't want to ask me directly. Also they would be able to browse my music library during the event. (I use iTunes to organize my music and DJ with SSL and 1200s.)

I want to innovate a bit though. Is there an app that allows people to use any smart phone to read my iTunes library, add songs to a request queue, and even request songs that I don't have? I know i could throw together something on my website from the exported iTunes .xml file and a simple text input box, but I'd rather have something more slick.

http://touchtunes.com/operators/products/digital-jukebox

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

vas0line posted:

Yes, in my 11 years DJing I understand that I am nothing more than a human jukebox. Thanks for the commentary.

edit: And yet, for some reason people still pay $100+ per hour...

Is there a point you're trying to make?

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OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

This is how you push buttanz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8sORf4me0k

Edit: On a more serious note. Serato 2.0.0 + have been such unstable pieces of poo poo. I've gone from wanting to keep my SL3 just in case Serato decides to get their game together to considering to throwing it up on eBay. Serato has hit a sharp decline in the last year in terms of being completely unfocused on wether they want to update Itch (lovely) Bridge (lovely) or Serato (lovely).

OG KUSH BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Apr 28, 2011

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