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Mr. Carlisle posted:I see from the wikipedia link in the OP that they were the ones that were basically building around Kimbo and he got knocked out by that guy with the pink hair and then the scandal surrounding the rest of it. I think I remember seeing a video of that around the time it happened and remembered Kimbo being the guy from the backyard fight videos. It was pretty shocking to someone like me who didn't know the ins and outs of MMA and how terrible of a fighter Kimbo would be once put up against trained athletes. After how high Kimbo was hyped it seemed pretty crazy. EliteXC was the epitome of stupid, corrupt, shady organizations. Run by a thief and his mentally retarded painfully white rapper son they basically exploited Kimbo, trying to build their org on his youtube popularity. They fed him a couple of cans and then due to unforeseen circumstances (someone dropped out of a fight, I wanna say Ken Shamrock) they had to put him in against a real fighter who promptly embarassed this poo poo out of him and killed EliteXC. Something we should all be grateful to Seth Petruzzeli for.
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Save Russian Jews posted:Pat Barry crosspost He said high level MMA. I love Pat, but he's not high level by any stretch.
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ForbiddenWonder posted:RE: Vale Tudo If you want actual Vale Tudo fights where the only rules are no eye gouging and (sometimes) no groin shots, search for "IVC" and look for fights with Wanderlei Silva and Pedro Rizzo. Hope you like headbutts and soccer kicks.
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Lid posted:To give a non-Fedor example for over a year now Vitor Belfort has been in most rankings as a top ten Middleweight, usually between fourth and sixth. This is retarded for two reasons: Vitor is 2-0 at Middlweight, and did just beat the second best Middleweight of all time, even if it was at catch weight. (and a year and a half ago) MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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Or if MMA appeals to you purely because you're a closeted homosexual watch Gary Goodridge vs The Pedro
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A Pale Horse posted:He said high level MMA. I love Pat, but he's not high level by any stretch. I can't believe I forgot about Pat. I love The Nicest Kickman. I'd say he's as high level as Roger exposure-wise, he's been on a UFC PPV main card hasn't he? Talent-wise I would have to agree.
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projecthalaxy posted:Are there any real single-style guys left in high-level MMA? I guess Roger Gracie might count, but even he seems to be succumbing to wrestleboxing. Jon Fitch is the second best welterweight in the world and all he is is a wrestler, and he's not even that great of a wrestler, mostly he's just bad at losing.
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MassRayPer posted:Vitor is 2-0 at Middlweight, and did just beat the second best Middleweight of all time, even if it was at catch weight. he hasn't fought Anderson yet
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RobBorer posted:reserved for boxing use this gif for your boxing write up 
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fatherdog posted:If you want actual Vale Tudo fights where the only rules are no eye gouging and (sometimes) no groin shots, search for "IVC" and look for fights with Wanderlei Silva and Pedro Rizzo. Hope you like headbutts and soccer kicks. thanks, I was just curious where mma came from pre UFC besides shootfighting, judo etc. I hear Vovchanchyn would have been better if he hadn't hosed up his hands doing this sort of thing, right?
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With the rise in popularity of MMA has traditional Boxing taken a major hit in popularity nowadays? How would you compare it to the days of Tyson (just throwing a popular name out there, I know nothing about boxing anymore) and the guys that could command millions for a single fight? Do they still do that level of business for major fights today?
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ForbiddenWonder posted:RE: Vale Tudo wanderlei's early matches are pretty cool
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Mr. Carlisle posted:With the rise in popularity of MMA has traditional Boxing taken a major hit in popularity nowadays? How would you compare it to the days of Tyson (just throwing a popular name out there, I know nothing about boxing anymore) and the guys that could command millions for a single fight? Do they still do that level of business for major fights today? A major hit. Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, De La Hoya were basically household names. Even Riddick Bowe and Buster Douglas were fairly well known. Name a Heavyweight Champion now. In fact, name a champion whose name is not Pacquiao.
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ForbiddenWonder posted:thanks, I was just curious where mma came from pre UFC besides shootfighting, judo etc. I hear Vovchanchyn would have been better if he hadn't hosed up his hands doing this sort of thing, right? It's true that Vovchanchyn mangled his hands into dust by fighting bare knuckle for so many years, but he was also very small for HW and LHW in addition to his career being in the weird grey area between the generational shift in MMA (meaning the period where fighters really started to begin evolving into the fighters we know today). He did have astronomical KO power though, so it's hard to say how many years we were robbed. I think we can all agree that the story of the town bell is cool as hell though.
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Critical posted:A major hit. Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, De La Hoya were basically household names. Even Riddick Bowe and Buster Douglas were fairly well known. Mayweather? Hatton? I don't know if these guys are actually champs, they are just the only boxers I know of, proving your point.
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Critical posted:A major hit. Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, De La Hoya were basically household names. Even Riddick Bowe and Buster Douglas were fairly well known. Is Mayweather still a champion?
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henkman posted:Isn't that tiny black man who hates MMA a champion of something? Bob Sapp is hardly "tiny"
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Critical posted:Name a Heavyweight Champion now. Vitali Klitscho. And his brother. For any other champion, Andre Ward.
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Lol at the MMA people thinking things like belts and who's the 'champion' matter in boxing. What do you think it is, a well managed sport with a respected governing body?
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KungFu Grip posted:Is Mayweather still a champion? I don't know if he has a belt any more but belts don't matter in boxing as much. Mayweather is P4P the best though. 
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While in MMA we get to talk about how all championships are meaningless except for the UFC I would like an explanation of what, if any, boxing championships aren't worthless given that there seems to be fifty billion of them for weight classes a pound apart.
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Lid posted:While in MMA we get to talk about how all championships are meaningless except for the UFC I would like an explanation of what, if any, boxing championships aren't worthless given that there seems to be fifty billion of them for weight classes a pound apart. The IBC Minimumweight title. Because a boxing title for 94 pound presumably adult dudes is important.
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The ring magazine belt is probably the only meaningful one.
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maffew buildings posted:Vitaly Klitscho. And his brother. And they won't fight each other. Not that the fight would be any loving good, but the point stands. But 15 years ago the answer would have been immediate. Now the Klitschos have held the titles for gently caress-all years an no one gives a tin poo poo.
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A lot of boxing's current situation is directly related to their own doing. Corruption, meaningless champions, too many weight classes, fighters ducking competition for years, matchups never materializing (Pac v Mayweather cough cough), etc. etc. are the primary reasons for their decline. The fact that MMA came along and (for the most part at least) uses a operating model that is completely opposite of boxing's didn't help the situation.
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Lid posted:While in MMA we get to talk about how all championships are meaningless except for the UFC I would like an explanation of what, if any, boxing championships aren't worthless given that there seems to be fifty billion of them for weight classes a pound apart. All of them are worthless unless the best guy holds it, pretty much. The fighter makes the belt, nowadays, not vice versa.
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KidDynamite posted:If no one wants to do a post for boxing I'll write one up during work tomorrow. I PMed The Ninth Layer to see if he wanted to do a write up, mainly because he started the boxing thread. I was going to throw up some stuff tomorrow, but I'm just a casual boxing fan. If you want to do one, go for it.
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Went ahead and opened a gif thread for MMA and K1 and such. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3386308
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projecthalaxy posted:The IBC Minimumweight title. Because a boxing title for 94 pound presumably adult dudes is important. Just give each champion a lifetime supply of root-beer and motherfuckers will be cutting weight in no time.
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Critical posted:And they won't fight each other. Not that the fight would be any loving good, but the point stands. Oh gently caress off that fight would be a technical masterpiece. A battle of jabs never to be seen again. I'd be so loving excited if Wlad and Vitali decided to fight.
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CobiWann posted:Thank you for the OP! As someone who's never followed MMA or K-1, it explained a lot, especially which league/federation is which. This is a nitpick, but I think the term used the most is organization. Org for short. I know nothing about pro-wrestling, so I might be talking out of turn here, but an MMA fight (not listed in the OP) that really delivers in terms of characters and hype is Dan Henderson x Michael Bisping. Bisping is the cocky Brit who thinks he can outpoint and outmaneuver Henderson, while Hendo is an archetypical  who talks with his hands and makes his 'words' count.What happens in the fight is just delicious. Try to watch the fight with the prefight build up. Because they're real, MMA fights rarely work out exactly the best way you want them to, but this one definitely did.
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Please use the reserved post for a section on Olympic hero, convicted felon, therapeutic testosterone tiny ball having, money laundering, aspiring politician, WCW powerplant graduate, Rowdy Roddy Piper protege and #1 pfp Chael Sonnen, Chael Sonnen
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Mr. Carlisle posted:With the rise in popularity of MMA has traditional Boxing taken a major hit in popularity nowadays? How would you compare it to the days of Tyson (just throwing a popular name out there, I know nothing about boxing anymore) and the guys that could command millions for a single fight? Do they still do that level of business for major fights today? Honestly I think fans of prowrestling would love Pride ERA fights. It's practically pro-wrestling but real.
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Oh Em Gee posted:Honestly I think fans of prowrestling would love Pride ERA fights. It's practically pro-wrestling but real. it can't hurt that the face of the promotion is a Professional Wrestler 
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Oh Em Gee posted:Honestly I think fans of prowrestling would love Pride ERA fights. It's practically pro-wrestling but real. Pride FC: gently caress the bottom line, up the production values. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcXCrQE_pjo
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ForbiddenWonder posted:thanks, I was just curious where mma came from pre UFC besides shootfighting, judo etc. I hear Vovchanchyn would have been better if he hadn't hosed up his hands doing this sort of thing, right? Vovchanchyn actually retired because one of his elbows was so hosed up it had to have pins put in it, not his hands. Mr. Carlisle posted:With the rise in popularity of MMA has traditional Boxing taken a major hit in popularity nowadays? How would you compare it to the days of Tyson (just throwing a popular name out there, I know nothing about boxing anymore) and the guys that could command millions for a single fight? Do they still do that level of business for major fights today? I'm not gonna try to compare popularity, but in terms of money, the guys headlining a top card will make millions in boxing and in the UFC. The UFC headliners will make less than the boxing headliners, but the undercard guys in the UFC will typically make significantly more than undercard guys in boxing.
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