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ForbiddenWonder posted:RE: Vale Tudo it doesnt really exist anymore if you mean no holds barred, but you can watch the first few UFCs if you want to see people getting hit in the balls
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Snowman_McK posted:Cool, that's pretty much what I thought it was, thanks. some guys do this, Bas rutten calls it a 'left straight' rather than a jab. people who use it in place of a jab are generally of the mindset that a normal jab is too risky and a bad way to keep distance in MMA with the small gloves and variety of attacks, so they commit more to it
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Aug 30, 2011 00:41
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Xguard86 posted:there is a school of thought that a hard jab is a very strong, yet under utilized, mma tool due to the small gloves and ability to swarm a guy if you knock him off balance. A lot of those old timey bare knuckle boxing guides show guys throwing those stiff jabs. yeah, what usually differentiates the "left straight" from the jab (other than being thrown harder) is that you throw it with your knuckles aligned vertically, the MMA guys who do this generally got it from Bas Rutten, who got it from Jack Dempsey's old book on boxing, which borrowed from the old timey bareknuckle stuff
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Aug 30, 2011 19:38
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Stomps and soccer kicks shouldnt really be legal because the only time you ever see someone land them is when a guy is getting beaten so badly that the fight should be stopped anyway, and especially since the refs are so lovely at stepping in there would be a lot of knocked out dudes getting their heads stomped
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Feb 22, 2012 22:35
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Chimney Sweeps Week posted:Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Cage Rage's weird open guard rule that One FC co-opted? It pretty much only makes them legal in a butt-scoot stalemate but I feel like it makes the job of the referee a bit too involved and complicated Yeah I feel the same way, it's a good idea in theory but any time the ref has to get more involved and make decisions on the fly it usually means it will be really annoying in practice
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Feb 23, 2012 16:07
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EvanSchenck posted:So I was watching Frankie-Gray III, and I noticed that Rosenthal kept warning Gray to keep his fingers out of Frankie's face. He kept doing that thing that a lot of wrestlers do (Jon Jones especially) where you keep the fingers on your lead hand open and then thrust them at your opponent's eyes when he tries to move forward to punch you. The ref must have warned him a dozen times in four rounds to stop, but he never did, nor did Rosenthal ever deduct a point. Well it is illegal, but the chances of someone actually getting punished for it are pretty low. Jake shields purposely clawed at GSPs eyes with open hands for their whole fight and didnt get any punishment for it
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Nov 1, 2012 22:25
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Captain Log posted:I appreciate the videos, but I have an embarrassing confession. Outside of, "his head is moving" and "his head isn't moving" what makes head work suddenly bad. I'm specifically thinking of Randy Couture head movement. Anything that makes your head a harder target to hit is "good" defensively speaking. Even really bad head movement is usually better than nothing, defensively. The problem is you want to be in a position to make your opponent miss and then counter, and if you have really goofy exaggerated head movement like some MMA fighters (eg clay guida) you are putting yourself constantly off balance and will never be in a good position to slip and sit down on a hard counter while your opponent is exposed, so theres not as much point to it. Ideally you want to take your head just off-center enough to make the punch barely miss. Another thing is that people with bad head movement pick the wrong times to do it -- constantly doing it while they are way outside of the gap, and then when they step into the gap and close the distance (when head movement actually matters) their head is a completely still target. This is an example of knowing that head movement is good but not knowing why. Another slightly less important but still important (especially in a 12 round boxing match) thing is that exaggerated lovely head movement is a waste of energy and economy of motion should always be the goal The reason "bad" head movement isnt as bad in MMA as in pure striking is because you have more offensive options that aren't as limited by your lovely, off-balancing head movement. If you bent over like Randy couture in a boxing match, wobbling back and forth your opponent could just tee off on you without fear because you dont have a lot of offensive punching options while youre off balance, bent at the waist shucking and jiving around. But in MMA you at least have the option of the clinch and takedowns, so for guys without good striking instincts that mainly just want to close the distance safely (Randy, guida, other goofy head movement havers) its not as awful
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EvanSchenck posted:The only factor that seems to consistently correlate with chin is a good gas tank. A lot of guys with notable cardio like Condit, Nate/Nick Diaz, Diego Sanchez, Frankie Edgar, and Clay Guida are also notably difficult to stop. It's not so much that they're more resistant to getting hurt, but that they seem more able to survive and recover quickly. Nah its not good cardio that gives you a good chin. Theres traditionally a difference between chin and recovery/toughness whatever you want to call that intangible. Lots of guys with middling to awful cardio like Hunt, roy nelson, back to "cabbage" correira all have some of the best chins. not to mention all the guys in boxing who defy that Nobody really knows what makes someone have a good chin. Being younger means your chin is better, the less times youve been knocked out the better, the less weight you cut and better hydrated you are (the cushioning in between your skull and brain) are all really strong factors. Other factors like race and body type play into it, fat guys tend to have better chins. The size and structure of your head makes a difference according to boxing lore. Heavyweights probably have stronger chins on average but like the original question assumed, it doesnt scale completely to punching power. It would be hard for a 135er to knock out most heavyweights. But the other thing is how good your defense is and how well you roll with punches and dont put yourself in bad spots. Lots of guys with legendary chins like Hunt are just really good at absorbing shots well and can be cracked (like in the manhoef fight) by accidentally running into a hard shot right on the chin. Nobodys chin is that great in the end
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the rate of injury in MMA is similar to other contact sports but people just notice it more because it sucks when someone has to pull out of a fight. And if it is slightly higher or whatever its because its a sport where you punch and kick people and try to break their limbs so accidents happen more than in sports where the goal is to be a really tall guy putting a ball in a hoop
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Jun 4, 2014 20:06
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turntabler posted:I really believe it is substantially higher than other contact sports such as kickboxing where guys will fight with a much higher frequency then mma fighters, and you have gyms like Mike's Gym etc where Badr Hari or Gokhan Saki would be actively trying to murder you during sparring. I guess i agree with you about a lot of that. But i think part of it is also that UFC has insurance for their fighters and fighters are willing to admit when theyre injured and take time off more than in other sports. In kickboxing lots of dudes just fight injured even in high profile fights. Grappling does introduce a lot of new potential for injury but in the time ive trained ive seen guys get injured pretty similar amounts training for boxing, kickboxing, grappling or MMA fights. maybe a little less for boxing
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I've noticed notorious eye poker and fight ducker Bones uses elbow/forearm strikes really well and they seem to do a ton of damage when they connect - so my question is if there is a specific reason that striking method isn't used more often by more fighters? Could be that I haven't seen as many fights as many people here so maybe my sample isn't large enough to notice them being thrown more but overall it seems like close quarters elbows aren't used nearly as much as they could be. Does it have to do with Jones' specific fighting style or would guys just rather use punches like uppercuts or go straight submission attempts when in close range instead? The distance between jones' shoulder and elbow is longer than everyone elses arms
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Verisimilidude posted:I have a gear question that can hopefully be answered in this thread. I'm interested in picking up wrestling and I'm looking for a decent pair of wrestling shoes. I'm wondering if I'm better off going with a snugger fit or going for maximum comfort right out of the box. I went for a snug fit on my taekwondo shoes per the suggestion of the person who sold them to me, but I'd like to hear some other opinions on the matter. Thanks! they should be pretty tight and theyll stretch a little as you wear them in.
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GuyDudeBroMan posted:I don't know where else to post this since I can't find a thread for the playing of sports, just the watching of them. (I guess goons aren't very active?). Anyways, girlfriend expressed interest in doing a kickboxing class or getting some boxing gloves for at home to beat up things, relieve stress and get exercise. I figured maybe I'd get her some gloves and some focus pads and we could start there. If that works out maybe I can get a heavy bag for the garage eventually. I went down to the sporting goods store, but god drat there were too many choices. I don't know what to buy. Keep in mind we are just doing this for fun and exercise. We aren't actually trying to train to fight here. - no reason to get UFC/MMA gloves unless youre grappling and need to articulate your fingers, get boxing gloves - theres no difference between womens and mens gloves as long as they fit her - the point of gloves is to protect your hands, the size of the gloves depends on how much padding you need for how hard youre hitting/what youre hitting. hitting focus mitts you barely even need gloves, you arent gonna break your hand on a focus mitt (you need handwraps though which are more important than gloves), then hitting the bag you need slightly bigger bag gloves, sparring you need bigger sparring gloves etc - you should try out some free trial classes or something at a boxing gym or kickboxing place to give yourself some direction, its hard to learn solely from instructional vids with 0 experience. not just in terms of "learning how to actually fight" but without supervision and correction youll probably follow the path of least resistance and ingrain lazy habits which will make you a) not have as good of a workout and b) suck at fighting
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EmmyOk posted:So Chad said it's not so much that Conor hits very hard as it is he has great accuracy. What exactly does he mean by this? Does he just mean getting through guard or does he mean particular parts of the head? Getting hit in the chin is how you get knocked out, if you watch the replay conor jabbed to find his range then made an angle as chad was circling off the cage (away from conors power hand but conor is so long he can still throw that left straight across his body) and hit chad right on the chin from the exact right angle with the exact right timing that chad didmt see it coming and thus couldnt roll with it or brace for it
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Jul 12, 2015 16:37
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Ronda is good at fighting if thats what you guys were wondering.. she's better than anyone else with her style of genitals, and better than a lot of people with the other, penis style, but not all of them especially the people way bigger than her
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origami posted:Watch a highlight reel of Rousimar Palhares (including his ADCC run) and then watch Palhares v Alan Belcher this is a really good suggestion
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Ditch posted:Since I didn't start watching UFC regularly until mid-2012, I missed the GSP/Hughes/Penn era at welterweight. 1. "Prime" penn is a weird thing because in lots of peoples minds he never trained to his full potential so it was hard to say when he was actually his best. But him vs frankie the first two times wasnt too far out from when he was probably his best and if you watch that you can extrapolate since Frankie still exists 2. The average size of guys in every division has gone up but Hughes wouldnt be tiny, hed still be strong probably but yeah
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Nov 10, 2015 22:43
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BJ won the welterweight title before he even won the lightweight title i thought, unless im misremembering the fight with caol uno. people probably already thought he was the best
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Bundt Cake posted:BJ has a couple things that don't show up on paper but I'll bring them up wasnt that because of an eyepoke?
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Nov 10, 2015 23:17
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Foul Fowl posted:my favourite BJ Penn Moment was when everyone ridiculed edgar's chances in the rematch and they had a million trailers with BJ going 'I WANT MY BELT BACK, THIS TIME I'M SERIOUS, THE REAL BJ PENN etc.' and then he got leg kicked so hard that he fell down and looked like someone had pulled back his chair when he was about to sit down There were lots of good bj penn hubris moments like when he said he was gonna fight gsp to the death and gsp was mentally weak and then bj had to quit in between rounds. A rich chubby little hawaiian guy being the best fighter for a little while was pretty cool
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Gadamer posted:With how MMA evolves, in 10 years will we think of Rousey as best for her time but not in 2025, similar to how fans feel about Royce? Yes, but its not really the same as Royce at all because by now all the information on what works is out there and everything is wide open if someone wanted to come beat Rousey and take her millions, whereas nobody knew what the hell was going on back when Royce won and it was set up so he could win. Rouseys opponents do kinda suck but thats on them, its not like they are coming in with a single boxing glove on
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Nov 13, 2015 20:52
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"Cutting weight" usually refers to the part right at the end when you cut water weight, if youre doing it 3 weeks before the competition its not cutting weight. thats just getting in shape
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1st AD posted:My favorite is when a retard will actually cut like 20 pounds of weight in a short of amount of time. Didn't Jake Shields do that for the Kampmann fight? uhh they like all do that now. If not more
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1st AD posted:No from what I read, Jake cut 20 the day of weigh ins. Thats not that abnormal
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LobsterMobster posted:Last year in Japanese women's wrestling organization World Wonder Stardom, YOSHIKO took on Act Yasukawa. Apparently they'd had some issues in the past and potentially YOSHIKO didn't want to drop the title to Act, but whatever the case, YOSHIKO instantly turns things into a shoot and starts punching the gently caress out of Act. Act, who already had some health issues, including limited sight in one eye, was left with a broken orbital, nose and cheekbone, ultimately forcing her retirement. YOSHIKO was indefinitely suspended and then released. As far as I'm aware, she hasn't worked again jesus christ
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Dana said at the conference that even though theyve given guys their show money in the past, this time is different because Cormier gets paid a lot, and they probably dont want to be out $200k in show money or something for a fight that didnt happen when Cormier might just fight again shortly after Cormier could always sue Jones i guess lol
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EmmyOk posted:Okay this is what I was thinking but after reading about the cross I wasn't sure anymore. So in p much any case can I assume cross and straight are synonymous? They are used more or less interchangably. If you want to get pedantic, a cross is thrown with that internal shoulder rotation you can see in the gif, where you turn over your fist and your pinky is tilted slightly up at the end of the punch (this is key to the trajectory of the cross-counter over the jab), whereas a 'straight' you throw without shoulder rotation so your thumb is facing up at the end of the punch, rock-em sock-em robot style. A lot of people argue a right straight is just bad form most of the time and call it a cross always. One person who advocated throwing straights was Bas Rutten To complicate things a bit people usually refer to a southpaw cross as a 'left straight' even when its just a mirrored cross, mostly because of the way its used differently from an orthodox cross from a right handed fighter. People will say someone like Conor mcgregor has a good left straight not a good cross
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mewse posted:I wouldn't say straight and cross are synonymous because "straight punches" usually means jab+cross (left hand+right hand for orthodox) Youre right that those are described as straight punches, but if someone says they threw a 'straight', they almost always mean a rear hand punch because if they didnt theyd just say jab.
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